'Father of Android' Andy Rubin allegedly protected by Google from sexual misconduct claims

[cliffordcooley]

This is not a case of sexual assault. So why insist on a police report for sexual misconduct? Especially when the company no longer employs the person.

What I find disturbing is that the charges seem to be consensual and there is no mention of both parties being terminated. Especially under the notion that consensually both breached company policy.

 

[takemaru]

1st You just proved, you have no idea, how the legal system works.

Second "the only ones perpetrating mob justice are the people demonizing these women"
-Asking for evidence or a proper trial is not demonizing
-The same could be said about the people demonizing the accused

"How exactly is making their stories public "mob justice"?"
-It is not mob justice, it is just speech, and it is protected by the first amendment. It is up to the individual to believe it or not, but without evidence it's just empty air.

"The people jumping to conclusions about these women being "fakers" are just as bad as the people who assume every man accused is guilty."
-You just accused people ignorant, who don't take women for their word.

"America has a stockpile of sexual assault victims who have yet to come forward. You can thank the "never perfect enough victim" culture of America for that one"
-Or just people move on with their lives? It's not worth their time to waste it on vengeance?

"You want mob justice?"
-No, YOU want mob justice, take alleged victim's words for granted.

"social stigma [...] prevented generations of women equal justice"
-All citizens are equal before the law. It's cowardice, which enabled creeps like Harvey Weinstein to abuse their power. There must have been countless women, who said no to his sexual advances, yet I never heard anyone praising them.

 

[Evernessince]

1st You just proved, you have no idea, how the legal system works.

Substituting a personal attack for an actual argument. Nice. Is that all you've got or can you actually argue on point?

-Asking for evidence or a proper trial is not demonizing
-The same could be said about the people demonizing the accused

Are you an investigator? Nope, you most certainly aren't. Oh and yes, I'm sure the sexually accosted will be right and prim to tell you, a random internet person, all about it only to be hurled insults at, as clearly proven by your first sentence. I could not find a better example of why such a low rate of women don't report, thank you for the demonstration.

It is not mob justice, it is just speech, and it is protected by the first amendment. It is up to the individual to believe it or not, but without evidence it's just empty air.

First, the public isn't going to get "evidence" of a majority of sexual assault cases due to their sensitive nature. The fact that I have to explain that means you have zero understanding of these situations. Second, it most certainly is "mob justice" when a bunch of random internet people demand private details be released in sexual assault accusations, otherwise they will bully the accusers. It's not your place to request that information. In fact, why does it make you so upset that the MeToo movement is happening? What kind of person gets mad at sexual assault cases finally coming to light when statistics clearly show a large majority of them never do.

You just accused people ignorant, who don't take women for their word.

Nope, I said people who call out women for not revealing details of sexual assault are ignorant and you clearly missed the point. If you don't understand why that is there's nothing more I can do hear, I can't make you grow understanding.

No, YOU want mob justice, take alleged victim's words for granted.

No, I just don't want people to continue to discount voices. You continue to spread the mistruth though that having their voices heard somehow equates to believe what they say. You seem to be against the very idea that we should take these cases unbiased under the law. You are going to have to do better then hyperbole laden comments that paint other's opinions as an extreme.

All citizens are equal before the law. It's cowardice, which enabled creeps like Harvey Weinstein to abuse their power. There must have been countless women, who said no to his sexual advances, yet I never heard anyone praising them.

That's an extremely naive point of view. I must have missed the decades of black oppression or the current systemic voter suppression and gerrymandering. The fact that we had to add an amendment each for suffrage and black rights shows that the law is not always unbiased. Only a white person would say something like the law is unbiased and how you can look at the current political climate and say that is beyond me.

 

[Darth Shiv]

“We want to assure you that we review every single complaint about sexual harassment or inappropriate conduct, we investigate, and we take action.”

Yeah, $90m worth of action.

Yeah I think him receiving $90m of payout... that stinks. He commits a crime and still gets a massive payout? What the actual F?

 

[Bubbajim]

That's like saying Android is not worth $90m. He was forced to leave Google. That is action enough, while saying thank you for Android. Are you so cold as to think otherwise?

Please try this:

Someone has made your working life awful. You feel angry, disrespected, scared for your safety. The person has done just enough to stay on the right side of the law, while doing enough to warrant you jeopardising your career by reporting that their activities. You find out that the company investigates your claims, but the course of action taken is not a corporate "f' you", it's a $90 million parachute and a cover up.

How do you feel?

I like that you think that I'm being cold because it pisses me off to think that some knobhead not only got away with abusing his power to be a sexual creep, he earnt $90 million for doing it.

 

[wiyosaya]

Political hit jobs?

Al Franken. The accusations flimsy, not to mention trivial.

Some years ago an attempt was made to destroy Al Gore's reputation. A message therapist claimed he sexually assaulted her. The claim was so preposterous; like someone utterly famous with an extremely serious agenda and no history of misbehavior would just throw his reputation away because he just couldn't help himself and had to assault the poor gal. Nothing came of it, of course. But that was then, and this is now.

It sounds like you and I share more similarities than not.

I hate to say this, but Franken made the choice to resign. That was his choice. I do not know his reasons. I am not convicting him, as I believe that one should always fight if one is unjustly accused.

I am vaguely remember what happened with Gore, so I won't comment.

Unfortunately, we cannot count on anyone being "honorable" these days; by that I mean, if justly accused, resign, if not justly accused, fight the allegations.

To me, the situation in the US has degraded beyond what is honorable - especially when dolts are arrested for groping women and their excuse is "The president of the United States says it is OK to grab women."

This do anything to win no matter what attitude that some have is well outside the bounds of what is protected by the constitution, IMO, and some people have no clue as to what is acceptable behavior, much less being honorable. Unfortunately, some will never learn.

However, we can always hope that there are enough people fed up with bully behavior and will express their dissatisfaction by voting.

Even so, my opinion is that the US could be on the slippery slope to collapse. It will take a truly extraordinary leader to come back from the edge of the abyss.

 

[wiyosaya]

-All citizens are equal before the law. It's cowardice, which enabled creeps like Harvey Weinstein to abuse their power. There must have been countless women, who said no to his sexual advances, yet I never heard anyone praising them.

Here is someone that did say no and was praised. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupita_Nyong'o
In fact, she went on to win and Oscar without Weinstien's "help".

It should not be all that hard to find the evidence that she refused and was praised for her refusal.

EDIT: Furthermore, the whole MeToo movement is as a result of people praising those who are standing against this kind of abuse, IMO.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Please try this:

Please try this. The 90 million is payment for Android and totally irrelevant to these charges.

 

[Reachable]

I hate to say this, but Franken made the choice to resign. That was his choice. I do not know his reasons. I am not convicting him, as I believe that one should always fight if one is unjustly accused.

It was other Democrats who pressured him to resign!

And that really illustrates the point I'm trying to make. Certainly the Republicans were behind bringing the accusations forward, but the whole MeToo movement was a wave that became bigger than the truth and had thus grown into a tyranny of fear. The Democrats were afraid to defend Franken because they feared that the consequences of defending him would be worse than him resigning and the injustice thereof.

I want women to be safe from harassment at work. But society has a way of creating mass hysterias, the roots of which are in no small part due to mercantile fear and the fear among individuals of being ostracized or accused simply because they don't fully succumb to the motion of the wave.

 

[Bubbajim]

I want women to be safe from harassment at work. But society has a way of creating mass hysterias, the roots of which are in no small part due to mercantile fear and the fear among individuals of being ostracized or accused simply because they don't fully succumb to the motion of the wave.

This is perhaps the most tin-foil-hat things I'm ever likely to say, but I strongly suspect that there are some vested interests peddling the line about mass hysteria, and false accusations etc.

The truly shocking thing about the #MeToo movement is the scale of it. When it took off, basically every girl or woman I know came forward with at least one story. Yes, a lot of it wasn't sexual abuse, but some of it was harassment that was incredibly close. One or two admitted they'd been raped.

Hysteria is a disproportionate effect to what causes it. I'm unsure the term applies when the problem is so incredibly pervasive.

I feel like I need to add a small disclaimer to this as I know some of the people on this forum would jump at me for half of what I've said: this is not a 'believe all women' post, this is not an 'everybody's guilty' post - this is recognition of what is a far more pernicious problem than I think most of us were aware of.

 

[Reachable]

This is perhaps the most tin-foil-hat things I'm ever likely to say, but I strongly suspect that there are some vested interests peddling the line about mass hysteria, and false accusations etc.

The truly shocking thing about the #MeToo movement is the scale of it. When it took off, basically every girl or woman I know came forward with at least one story. Yes, a lot of it wasn't sexual abuse, but some of it was harassment that was incredibly close. One or two admitted they'd been raped.

Hysteria is a disproportionate effect to what causes it. I'm unsure the term applies when the problem is so incredibly pervasive.

I feel like I need to add a small disclaimer to this as I know some of the people on this forum would jump at me for half of what I've said: this is not a 'believe all women' post, this is not an 'everybody's guilty' post - this is recognition of what is a far more pernicious problem than I think most of us were aware of.

I haven't heard any vested interests describing it as mass hysteria. In fact, they are all cowering in the face of it. CBS fired Les Moonves, the very person responsible for their current success, which they surely didn't want to do, but they put up very little of a fight.

This is enough different from previous mass hysterias that it could sneak its way into being. That's the way things always work -- nobody makes the exact same mistake twice, but the same phenomenon puts on a new and more subtle set of clothes and is thus not quickly recognized. The Salem witch trials didn't have the tiniest core of truth about it. People died horrible deaths and the world vowed to never let something like that repeat. Much later was McCarthyism. It too had no core of truth about it. But at least the gentle idealists whose lives got ruined or damaged had sometimes adopted the label of what they were persecuted for.

MeToo is different. There actually is a solid core of truth to it, but it snowballed into a force ruining the careers of some who were innocent and some who were not guilty enough to deserve the punishment they received.

It's not hard to understand the dynamics that made the harassment of women as pervasive as it was. Now it's not going to happen as much.

The only prominent people that I'm personally aware of who have called out MeToo as being a which hunt are a German film director whose name I don't remember and an actor whose name I also don't remember, tall guy from the British Isles who was in a Star Wars movie and had many other famous roles.