Following the UK, the US is now on the verge of losing its measles-elimination status

Nero7

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-04...ple-scientific-evidence-beyond-any-doubt.html
Gardasil vaccine is responsible for ending the lives of 271 young women to date.

Enjoy the evidence. I didn't want to go look for it. Took me less than 2min to find.

How dare you leftists call everyone a troll that isn't a leftist as well.

271 young women to date.

Enjoy the vaccine search on the website:

https://www.naturalnews.com/SearchResults.asp?query=vaccine&pr=NN

The most outrageous one I found within 5min:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-02...-of-children-by-opposing-sb-1558-hb-1343.html
 
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Lew Zealand

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Links to a biased source that conducts no science of its own and instead scaremongers to sell their products? Mmmm, sounds legit.

Try this: Post a link to the actual evidence that 271 people have been killed by gardasil. Not to an internet story from a scaremonger site. Show me the science.

Or you could try this:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-gardasil-not-so-fast/

https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-04...ple-scientific-evidence-beyond-any-doubt.html
Gardasil vaccine is responsible for ending the lives of 271 young women to date.

Enjoy the evidence. I didn't want to go look for it. Took me less than 2min to find.

How dare you leftists call everyone a troll that isn't a leftist as well.

271 young women to date.

Enjoy the vaccine search on the website:

https://www.naturalnews.com/SearchResults.asp?query=vaccine&pr=NN

The most outrageous one I found within 5min:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-02...-of-children-by-opposing-sb-1558-hb-1343.html
 
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Alexmx

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1. Many vaccines are experimental at best
Huh, no. There are protocols for that, human trials need to be approved by the government, unless that pharma is Umbrella corp.

2. Many vaccines have aluminium and heavy metals and other poison inside that can instantly ruin you or slowly.
Several years ago they stopped that. Mercury was used to extend the shelf life of vaccines. Nowadays, they removed it to avoid said "risks" with the cost of having a shorter shelf life.

Besides, there is more mercury in a can of tuna and I don't see people boycotting "Big Tuna"

3. Foreigners. I don't know about the USA but over here in Europe the influx of people from Afrika/Arabia/Eastern Europe has been a catastrophy since none of them have any vaccines and neither do they document it.
Speaking of Mexico, our vaccination schedule is totally free and well documented.



https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-04...ple-scientific-evidence-beyond-any-doubt.html
Gardasil vaccine is responsible for ending the lives of 271 young women to date.

Enjoy the evidence. I didn't want to go look for it. Took me less than 2min to find.

How dare you leftists call everyone a troll that isn't a leftist as well.

271 young women to date.

Enjoy the vaccine search on the website:

https://www.naturalnews.com/SearchResults.asp?query=vaccine&pr=NN

The most outrageous one I found within 5min:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-02...-of-children-by-opposing-sb-1558-hb-1343.html
Huh, that's some prime example of circular logic.

Natural news says that gardasil is band and their sources are 60% naturalnews.

Sources include:

GreenMedInfo.com
NaturalNews.com
NaturalNews.com
MedAlerts.org
NaturalNews.com
 
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Nero7

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You really only have to read the title and then follow the link:

Court ruling confirms Gardasil vaccine kills people… scientific evidence beyond any doubt… so where is the outcry?

https://www.activistpost.com/2018/04/hpv-vaccine-gardasil-kills-confirmed-by-court-ruling.html

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QWjVh6j6APIFeo2aKuKcFuj8BlFU3G4b/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8unQE5Q2wAM-HtmgH1cxWKMbU2dWIAh/view

How much more bullet proof proof do you need? This is the M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 with Trophy of bullet proof proof.

How many young woman need to die before you start to even question vaccination?
 
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Alexmx

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Vaccines have risks like any drug. It is not false. If you do not know the risks then you uneducated and just buying into the hype. I am not say people should not get vaccinated. There are risks to not get also. You just can’t limit free speech on this issue because of matter of truth.

YouTube could label video, but many people don’t care what big corporations say is true. They have obviously bias politically and towards advertisers.

Trustworthy news will never exist on your country because it is business to max profit and influence political agenda (also for their personal gains)
This is the problem society faces.... people like you who like to point out "truths" without evidence... and then the average fools see a reason not to vaccinate.

Yes there are risks to vaccinations - there are risks to EVERYTHING! I could get hit by a car walking across the street to fill a drug prescription...

As a responsible citizen, when telling someone about risks, you need to inform them about the risks of the action - and the RISK OF INACTION!!

Yes, there might be a 1-in-1,000,000 chance of complication with a certain vaccine - but the risk of complication WITHOUT TAKING THE VACCINE are far higher!

Same with my walk to the drug store... yes, I have a 1-in-1,000,000 chance of getting hit by a car... but I also have a far higher chance of death by not filling my prescription (assuming it's an important drug).

Be responsible please - it's stuff like your post that scares people into not vaccinating - which doesn't just put them at risk, it puts ALL OF US at risk!
Ain't it cute that some of those people's reasoning include the "I'm getting my powerball ticket, I know my chances are 1/255,000,000 but you never know!" and on the same vein they are "I'm not vaccinating my kid because there is a 1/1,000,000 chance for him to develop autism"

It is more the pride of not admitting being wrong that makes those *****s stubborn than anything else, just like flat earthers
 
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Lew Zealand

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The court found that her death happened reasonably close enough to her Gardasil vaccinations (arrhythmias 1 and 3 months after getting the vaccine) and that her family should be financially compensated. That makes sense. As other have said here everything you do in life carries risk and vaccines are no different. People have died after getting vaccines and that's why there is a fund to compensate people for this.

But the simple answer is that vaccines save far more lives and offer a far greater benefit than remaining unvaccinated.

And here's a huge bit of nuance I hope doesn't go over your head: That scaremongering headline is a lie. This is because a court ruling has nothing to do with *scientific* evidence, it has to do with *legal* evidence. The same legal standard of evidence which kept OJ out of prison for the Brown-Simpson/Goldman killings. No science was proven in this court ruling.


You really only have to read the title and then follow the link:

Court ruling confirms Gardasil vaccine kills people… scientific evidence beyond any doubt… so where is the outcry?

https://www.activistpost.com/2018/04/hpv-vaccine-gardasil-kills-confirmed-by-court-ruling.html

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QWjVh6j6APIFeo2aKuKcFuj8BlFU3G4b/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8unQE5Q2wAM-HtmgH1cxWKMbU2dWIAh/view

How much more bullet proof proof do you need? This is the M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 with Trophy of bullet proof proof.

How many young woman need to die before you start to even question vaccination?
 
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Nero7

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Its clear that you have no interest apart from defending vaccination no matter what.
The links are there, interested people can read them.
 
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Lew Zealand

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Its clear that you have no interest apart from defending vaccination no matter what.
The links are there, interested people can read them.
I prefer to get my information from scientific sources. Without scientific testing you can gain no actual information to act upon. Instead you act upon fear and ignorance, which rarely ends up to your benefit. Scaremongering websites offer no information from which I can make any informative conclusions.
 

Nero7

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/

"Dr. Harper says they should be told that protection from the vaccination might not last long enough to provide a cancer protection benefit, and that its risks - "small but real" - could occur more often than the cervical cancer itself would."

Keep playing devils advocate for a vaccine that is more likely to kill your daughter than it is to safe her from hypothetical cancer.

271 is only the tip of the iceberg.

You ask the pharma industry for proof against a product that they use to make profit with. I bet if we look further we will find that this cancer is caused by another product of the same pharma industry.
 
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Lew Zealand

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One opinion from 10 years ago isn't enough. Where is the data from the last 10 years to back up this person's opinion?

Here is some actual data, not opinions:

https://gis.cdc.gov/Cancer/USCS/DataViz.html

4,000 deaths from cervical cancers per year in the US alone. While I don't believe the 271 number as there is no scientific proof of it, it's a hell of a lot less than 40,000 deaths over the past 10 years.
 

Squid Surprise

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11 year olds dude. (imagine the voice of Walter Sobchak)
I think your avatar kind of says it all... I know you think you’re just having fun trolling - but if even one person doesn’t vaccinate because of your inane drivel, then the disease they catch or give to someone else is on you... kindly go away and troll something less serious that won’t potentially kill someone.

I’m sure there’s an Apple or Microsoft thread begging to be trolled....
 
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Ravalo

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/

"Dr. Harper says they should be told that protection from the vaccination might not last long enough to provide a cancer protection benefit, and that its risks - "small but real" - could occur more often than the cervical cancer itself would."

Keep playing devils advocate for a vaccine that is more likely to kill your daughter than it is to safe her from hypothetical cancer.

271 is only the tip of the iceberg.

You ask the pharma industry for proof against a product that they use to make profit with. I bet if we look further we will find that this cancer is caused by another product of the same pharma industry.
look, vaccines have their risks and they need to be taken into consideration by big pharma, but saying that vaccines can kill more people than cancer is stupid

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaxxhappen...ate_your/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

In this case the dog would’ve lived if he got vaccinated (btw this is a comment a made on an antivaxx twitter post)

Again, im not saying vaccines don’t have risks, but sometimes is better to take the risks so you don’t regret that your kid/dog would’ve lived if he/she had taken the shot

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/13768329/5873

I took the risk of not sightreading this map and I got 97% accuracy instead of the normal 94% I would’ve got
 

Nero7

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but saying that vaccines can kill more people than cancer is stupid

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaxxhappen...ate_your/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

In this case the dog would’ve lived if he got vaccinated (btw this is a comment a made on an antivaxx twitter post)
This will probably blow your mind but it has to be said:

Dogs are NOT people.

Also REDDIT is not credible.

Go inform yourself on the links provided.

Go get you vaccination if that makes you happy. Why are you all so obsessed with forcing others to get mandatory vaccination? Oh right, because they tell you it doesn't work unless you all get vaccinated. Just like a PC needing anti virus database updates and security updates for the OS and updates for every single piece of software and even then your PC isn't safe. Thing is, updates don't poison your PC.

That alone proves that vaccination does not work. Once you got your shot you are not safe. Instead you are poisoned and you got the feeling that the likelihood has been lowered. Too bad that biological things mutate.

This discussion has reached a new low now that the death of hundreds if not thousands of young woman is being relativised by some reddit story about a dog and some screenshot of a videogame score screen being considered an argument.

Lets take a look at the situation in Israel.
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-more-parents-refusing-to-vaccinate-1.5273106

"The study found that university-educated parents were 2.13 times more likely to refuse vaccinations compared to parents with a high school education. Jewish parents were 4.22 times more likely to refuse to have their children vaccinated compared to Muslims, and Christian parents were 3.29 percent more likely to refuse than Muslim parents."

Jews have the most strict rules regarding food and health and about products in general in the whole world. This article is downright hilarious in how it uncovers the absurdity of the situation:

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Two-million-Israelis-unvaccinated-Health-Ministry-helpless-587065

Abysmal vaccination, among best in immunization. Notice how they talk about infections but not about deaths. When I look at wikipedia about measles I find that Switzerland during an outbreak with 7000 infected only had 2 people die due to it. Those were seriously ill beforehand however. Oh but Pakistan has abysmal numbers with hundreds of dead people. How come? Famine and no money for healthcare must play a big part there.

Here we have a quite recent article about the measles outbreak among jewish communities in NY. Notice how the word death does not show up.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/whats-really-behind-the-measles-outbreak-in-ny-jewish-communities/

So much for the vaccination hysteria.
 
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mailpup

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No more personal comments. Confine your discussion to the issues please. Thank you.
 

Nero7

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Oh look Gardasil has ruined the life of hundreds of young woman in Switzerland as well.
https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/verdacht-auf-schwere-nebenwirkung-bei-krebspraevention-fuer-maedchen

I trust you know how to use a translator.

Oh look at the wonders, they are already testing it on infants.

https://www.naturalnews.com/056128_Gardasil_infants_vaccine_dangers.html
https://www.naturalnews.com/055672_HPV_vaccine_adverse_events_death_by_medicine.html
https://www.vaccines.news/

Oh look FRAUD in the CDC. Data being manipulated.
https://www.focusforhealth.org/dr-brian-hooker-statement-william-thompson/

"1. CDC scientists colluded to cover up a relationship between the timing of the MMR vaccine and autism in African Americans that was first discovered in November of 2001."

COLLUSION

"Dr. Thompson was put on administrative leave and was threatened that he would be fired due to “insubordination.”

"CDC officials were “buying his silence” through controlling his actions as a CDC employee."

"4. Dr. Thompson has published two papers linking thimerosal exposure in infant vaccines to tics in boys"

The list goes on. Look how thorough they are when it comes to making profit and poisoning your young woman and children, heck even infants. Class A satanism.

 
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All info from heavily biased websites and TV news, but still no actual scientific information. All these are opinions to serve a preconcieved narrative, then finding information on the web to serve that narrative. Yet there's no room or interest in finding out any science behind the claims.

Poisoning and satanism? LOL, I'm sure people can make up their minds about those types of opinions.
 

cliffordcooley

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I'm nearing 50 years of age. And I am healthier today than I would have been. If I had spent my time in a doctors office. Over the decades I have watched as people's medicine have stripped them of their health and sanity.
 
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Ravalo

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This will probably blow your mind but it has to be said:

Dogs are NOT people.

Also REDDIT is not credible.

Go inform yourself on the links provided. I can tell you didn't. Is English your first language? Judging by your reading comprehension it shouldn't be. Is the education in the US that poor or is it the aluminium in your head? Either way, you clearly didn't understand a single thing of the comment you quoted.

Frankly I don't care about you. Go get you vaccination if that makes you happy. Why are you all so obsessed with forcing others to get mandatory vaccination? Oh right, because they tell you it doesn't work unless you all get vaccinated. Just like a PC needing anti virus database updates and security updates for the OS and updates for every single piece of software and even then your PC isn't safe. Thing is, updates don't poison your PC.

That alone proves that vaccination does not work. Once you got your shot you are not safe. Instead you are poisoned and you got the feeling that the likelihood has been lowered. Too bad that biological things mutate.

This discussion has reached a new low now that the death of hundreds if not thousands of young woman is being relativised by some reddit story about a dog and some screenshot of a videogame score screen being considered an argument.

Here enjoy the random picture of a laughing doctor. Just for giggles.
https://www.goldbergcentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/dr-g-for-web.jpg
Now be a good goyim, don't question the needle.

Lets take a look at the situation in Israel.
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-more-parents-refusing-to-vaccinate-1.5273106

"The study found that university-educated parents were 2.13 times more likely to refuse vaccinations compared to parents with a high school education. Jewish parents were 4.22 times more likely to refuse to have their children vaccinated compared to Muslims, and Christian parents were 3.29 percent more likely to refuse than Muslim parents."

Oy vey, what does the jew know? 2.13 times more unlikely for jews that are university-educated. By your logic they are all stupid.

Jews have the most strict rules regarding food and health and about products in general in the whole world. This article is downright hilarious in how it uncovers the absurdity of the situation:

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Two-million-Israelis-unvaccinated-Health-Ministry-helpless-587065

Abysmal vaccination, among best in immunization. Notice how they talk about infections but not about deaths. When I look at wikipedia about measles I find that Switzerland during an outbreak with 7000 infected only had 2 people die due to it. Those were seriously ill beforehand however. Oh but Pakistan has abysmal numbers with hundreds of dead people. How come? Famine and no money for healthcare must play a big part there.

Here we have a quite recent article about the measles outbreak among jewish communities in NY. Notice how the word death does not show up.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/whats-really-behind-the-measles-outbreak-in-ny-jewish-communities/

So much for the vaccination hysteria.
1st of all, I made that reddit post (yeah, im the one called genericuser1254)

2nd of all, im L A T I N O, not from the US (im not lele pons but I have to say it)

3rd of all, it looks like you just read 1 part of my comment, I EXPLICITLY said that vaccine risks should be taken into consideration by big pharma (let me add something: I think big pharma doesnt point out the vaccine risks because people would then stop vaccinating, which can be extremely dangerous because some people have weaker immune systems than others)

I wouldn’t say that people who don’t vaccinate are stupid, because some vaccines are less necessary in certain countries, but using the “they talk about infections and not about deaths” argument is not entirely valid and can be countered with this:
https://www.emedicinehealth.com/ask...les_kill_you/article_em.htm#doctor’s_response


Now, I see that you just show cases from the US, but lets go to another country shall we?

https://politica.expansion.mx/mexic...os-casos-de-sarampion-y-sus-vacunas-en-mexico

(Use google translator for this one)
As you can see, there were only 6 cases in mexico

How is this possible? You might ask, maybe health in mexico is very good-

NOPE

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-as-world-s-healthiest-nation-while-u-s-slips

Actually, mexico is not even in the top 50, while the US is in 35th place

How could this happen? Well, most people are vaccinated in mexico, so measles is a myth in that country

Idk why I spent 1 hour looking for articles, but I hope you read them uwu

Oh and btw here’s a video of pewdiepie being cute to sven for 10 minutes
No more personal comments. Confine your discussion to the issues please. Thank you.
Srry, I sometimes overextend
 

cliffordcooley

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I wouldn’t say that people who don’t vaccinate are stupid
My complaint is not the vaccines. My complaint is the unnecessary forced usage. If there is no outbreak. Making people sick and carriers to hopefully strengthen their immune system is counter productive.
 
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Call me a vaccinated antivaxxer, but assuming vaccine companies being very rich, wouldnt they try to decrease the awareness of the heavy metals or else harmful elements in their vaccines ? They would also be willing to suppress the voices of those that could decrease sale numbers of their products.

And yea, maybe they got rid of a lot of dangerous things, but those with slow effect that is hard to track
would be something they wouldnt even need to work hard to hide. You see, people are greedy, and given a chance to escape punishments they will harm their human beings by selling them something that could be harmful like vaccines. And when I talk about human nature, this is a fact. A simple sad fact.

Measles, I d vaccinate against that. Same for other severe diseases. I d only use latest merc free and metal free vaccines though if available.

peace.
 
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Call me a vaccinated antivaxxer, but assuming vaccine companies being very rich, wouldnt they try to decrease the awareness of the heavy metals or else harmful elements in their vaccines ? They would also be willing to suppress the voices of those that could decrease sale numbers of their products.

And yea, maybe they got rid of a lot of dangerous things, but those with slow effect that is hard to track
would be something they wouldnt even need to work hard to hide. You see, people are greedy, and given a chance to escape punishments they will harm their human beings by selling them something that could be harmful like vaccines. And when I talk about human nature, this is a fact. A simple sad fact.

Measles, I d vaccinate against that. Same for other severe diseases. I d only use latest merc free and metal free vaccines though if available.

peace.
They might very well... but every vaccine goes through rigorous testing - and the medical community keeps tabs on each and every one - globally, not just in specific nations.

While people love to spread conspiracy data - without ANY evidence - the hard facts are very clear... not taking vaccinations is FAR more risky than taking them... not to mention you put everyone else at risk.

People who irresponsibly state otherwise risk not just themselves, but ALL of us.. SO STOP DOING IT!!!
 
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toooooot

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They might very well... but every vaccine goes through rigorous testing - and the medical community keeps tabs on each and every one - globally, not just in specific nations.

While people love to spread conspiracy data - without ANY evidence - the hard facts are very clear... not taking vaccinations is FAR more risky than taking them... not to mention you put everyone else at risk.

People who irresponsibly state otherwise risk not just themselves, but ALL of us.. SO STOP DOING IT!!!
Im not sure if you knew, but eventually you gotta die anyways. Also there is no studies suggesting that vaccines are linked to happy lives.
 

Squid Surprise

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Im not sure if you knew, but eventually you gotta die anyways. Also there is no studies suggesting that vaccines are linked to happy lives.
I’d prefer to die at the age of 100, shot to death by a jealous husband.... not the measles because some fool didn’t vaccinate...