Bobbydpue
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Around half of all vehicles were electric in the early 1900s. Elon did not invent the electric car.
It's only $12k more in XLT trim and that's not anywhere close to being WTFOMGBBQ expensive.
Ford's all-electric F-150 is good for 300 miles of range and 0-60 mph in the mid-4 second...
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It's only $12k more in XLT trim and that's not anywhere close to being WTFOMGBBQ expensive.
Yeah, I know. It's too bad he showed up, huh?
Did you expect anything less when they created an electric crossover and called it a "Ford Mustang Mach-E". As a long time (28 years) Mustang owner, it still rubs me the wrong way.
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of these EVs. Better performance and no gasoline, sign me up. However, I agree that the marketing department's use of these iconic names for there EVs feels wrong. Why could they not just be creative and come up with new names? I get it, "lightning" for their first electric truck. It will probably be the fastest F150 every made, but it looks like a plain Jane F150. Where is the Lighting custom graphics and body kit? Oh well, let's focus on the amazing tech and ignore the marketing.
Loadedaxe
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Yep, yep we do. 10-20k in mods is a little overboard at least for the average truck buyer. I only spent $2600 on lift and new tires.
I own a 2020 Lariat. I will wait until my current truck is paid for in 2024 before I even think about an EV truck. First gens are buggy, by then maybe all the bugs are worked out and mileage is more.
Avro Arrow
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Yep, you sure could. I'm really glad that EVs are finally becoming something more than a niche market. It's one of, if not the, most important thing we can do right now to fight global warming. Even if some places are still stuck in the dark ages and burn fossil fuels for electricity, those plants are FAR more efficient than vehicles are, especially considering the number of people that don't give their vehicles proper maintenance.
Avro Arrow
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It has more to do with what the market will bear. If a part lasts a long time (and most electric motors of this type do), then they might be horrifically expensive to replace. Sure, the drivetrains are more simple but do you really think that the automakers are going to just let their absurd parts and service profits disappear? Oh hell no!
Avro Arrow
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They'll be expensive to own because.... automakers. Do you think that they're not going to find ways of soaking you when it comes to parts and maintenance like they always have? Man, you're quite the optimist!
Avro Arrow
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Yes I know that, but do you think that Ford is just going to NOT soak you for every cent that you have? Since when has that been the MO of ANY automaker? They'll find some other way to get you because they'll know that your savings on fuel will make you easier to squeeze money from in some other way. This is not an altruistic foundation we're talking about here, it's a greedy, profit-at-all-costs
They'll find ways of making the truck expensive to own, not to buy. Like how Sony loses money when they sell a Playstation but they jack the prices on games that you must buy to use it.
If you're only concerned about the cost of purchase but not the cost of ownership, it makes me wonder if you've ever owned a vehicle. I work in the automotive industry and there are certain things that I won't do because of my experience. I won't buy anything that isn't made by Toyota, Honda or Hyundai/Kia, I won't buy anything with a turbo in it and I won't buy anything with an automatic transmission.
Sure, you could get a "good deal" on a purchase but that "good deal" turns sour if it leaves you penniless from the costs of ownership. This is why I say:
B - Bankrupt
M - Myself
W - Willingly
When you get a car with a water pump that costs $1000 while most vehicles' water pumps cost less than $100, that makes it less of a good deal because sooner or later, you WILL have to replace that part.
LOL, so you have no problems waiting 40 hours for the car to fully recharge in your garage (assuming you have a garage)? Or 2 hours on a high-power one, but you'll have to fight other EV owners for it. Sometimes that time is free, for example if they have a high-power charger in a mall and you spend 2 hours shopping. But you can't always count on that "free time".
ZipperBoi
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The problem with every electric vehicle on the market right now is taxes, and roads. Let me explain. When you go to the pump to fill gas, it is taxed (in most places as far as I am aware). Part of those taxes go into the roads that you drive on. Road repair, bridge repair, redesign, etc. So, not only are you driving and contributing to the wear and tear of these roads, but at the same time you are taking money out of those pools that keep those roads drive able in the first place. If you think the infrastructure is **** now, wait until the number of electric vehicles goes up. You WILL be sorry. I'm all in on clean and renewable energy, but only if its done right, regulated right, and at the right pace. If you are going to contribute to road wear and tear, you should also be paying in to help fix the roads with some form of tax, period. And I hate taxes. But its a necessary evil and too many people in this country dont understand that.
Mister_K
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No but he popularised them which is more important...
I did look up Tesla maintenance and running costs before posting. Costs are about half the cost of standard cars mainly cause you're only replacing consumables. Even the brakes tend to wear less on EVs as they just use regeneration most of the time. I believe Tesla don't even ask you to take your car in each year now, they just tell you when something needs looking at. There's a fleet of Tesla's being used for taxi services with over 500,000 miles on their clocks, they don't report any major (or even minor) issues. I think my natural optimism was justified.They'll be expensive to own because.... automakers. Do you think that they're not going to find ways of soaking you when it comes to parts and maintenance like they always have? Man, you're quite the optimist!
wiyosaya
Posts: 9,760 +9,644
If Musky were God, I might agree with you, but, I hate to tell you, he is not. EV's were on the market well before Musky made an EV, and, I hate to tell you, there was demand for them, too.
wiyosaya
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wiyosaya
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Yes, and even the combination of the two, EV and dirty coal plant, is essentially break even or less than the pollution that comes from fossil fuel powered cars. This article is a bit of a read, however, as I see it, it sets the record straight. https://www.lightsonsolar.com/emissions-and-efficiency-in-electric-cars-versus-gasoline-cars/
EDIT: Another link that says essentially the same thing - https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikesc...-cleaner-even-when-the-power-comes-from-coal/
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And I think you showed great restraint in your post. Some comments just before yours take the EV back to 2005 and maybe even further. "40+ hours for a full charge?" I mean what the hell? The popularity the EV is gaining is even more impressive when you consider the bullshit people say. And these are people that believe what they are saying.
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wiyosaya
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Honestly, I do not think that those who have commented in this thread are a good representation of forces that drive the market for EVs. There are those out there that have wanted EVs for some time.
What I think is really going on is that there are more EVs in the market than there have ever been; quite simply put, if you are one of those who really wants an EV, for whatever reason, it goes without saying that you are not going to get one if they are not available in the market.
Perhaps "Who Killed the Electric Car" is not, in general, representative of how automobile manufacturers have viewed EVs especially when they first started to appear in the market, however, what is astonishing to me is that EVs are more widely available in general, and that more and more manufacturers are introducing them to the market.
Arbie
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Perfect for groceries. Which is what 98% of the pickups in my area are used for.
A further laugh is from seeing them all laboriously parked facing out from the driveway, as if poised to leap on... what? Passing traffic? A public emergency? Some real work?
And BTW - this truck will never connect 775 lb-ft of torque to the pavement. It might as well be 300 lb-ft.
A further laugh is from seeing them all laboriously parked facing out from the driveway, as if poised to leap on... what? Passing traffic? A public emergency? Some real work?
And BTW - this truck will never connect 775 lb-ft of torque to the pavement. It might as well be 300 lb-ft.
Even when towing? Hauling? And its 4x4 so the torque will not be an issue.
Wanna bet this thing will be around a 3.6 - 4.0 0-60 time?
That's at least as fast as my CTS-V.
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Easily amused? You can back in or back out. It all works out in the end.
I would say nice try but, it wasn't.
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Arbie
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Arbie
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Yeah, even though I went back and checked, I missed the 4x4. So it may be able to connect. Nice machine for sure... which I expect to see lined up on my street waiting to leap out for a grocery run. Odd that only the pickups back in.
Uncle Al
Posts: 10,160 +9,646
Well, since the Ford F-150 is the largest selling vehicle in the US and has held that title for over 40 years I was very encouraged by their claims but I was a bit let down that, with all the hype, they couldn't come up with a range of 400-500 miles, especially since (by their calculations) the majority of units sold are for use in a non-commercial fashion.
I still think they are re-inventing the standard and while I don't think it's going to be a smash hit the first couple of years, it will go a long way towards moving us away from fossil fuels for automobiles, but the solar & wind industries better get cracking because it's happening now and power producers need to be prepared. With the use of thorium and similar "cooler acting" nuclear fuels, the advent of a new generation of fusion reactors, and the much improved operational methodology the nuclear industry may finally be ready to offer a significant solution but all of this is based on the premise that it is all followed through.
The worst part is, I need to be 40 years younger so I can watch it all evolve .......
I still think they are re-inventing the standard and while I don't think it's going to be a smash hit the first couple of years, it will go a long way towards moving us away from fossil fuels for automobiles, but the solar & wind industries better get cracking because it's happening now and power producers need to be prepared. With the use of thorium and similar "cooler acting" nuclear fuels, the advent of a new generation of fusion reactors, and the much improved operational methodology the nuclear industry may finally be ready to offer a significant solution but all of this is based on the premise that it is all followed through.
The worst part is, I need to be 40 years younger so I can watch it all evolve .......
Very, very few trucks sold have an 8' bed anymore. They are all crew\quads with a 6' bed crap. When I bought my work truck (2019 Ram) I had to get the Longhorn edition to get a Quad cab with an 8' bed.
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