Former Microsoft employee launches 'Fixing Windows 8' blog

By Shawn Knight ยท 62 replies
Mar 14, 2012
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  1. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,811   +472

    Why are they trying to do an OS GUI for both platforms when intrinsically, the input methods are so different?
  2. Cota

    Cota TS Enthusiast Posts: 513   +8

    When should i go mow your lawn?
  3. i would love windows 8 with older UI it simply just runs smooth.
  4. Zen

    Zen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 861   +50

    Are you sure here, I think you've got your facts blown way out of per portion! Might I bring up a seldom talked about fact! Why is it at this very moment in time there are more Windows XP computers operating out there, than Windows Vista and Windows 7 put together? Why is it that most people who do choose to operate a Windows Vista or Windows 7 machine, why do most of those people make sure they have themselves a good copy of Windows XP on "stand by"? Why is it, and I'm talking right now, this moment, this date, that many computer hardware and software review companies say that "Windows XP is the most popular Microsoft Operating System, now and probably of all time!"

    So please, don't come here and tell me or any other TechSpot member who choose to use Windows XP that it isn't going to last, like it's going to go away someday soon. I hate to break the bad news to you, but by the time Microsoft put's XP on the shelf for good, so much time will have gone by that support for Vista will have been long gone first. And what's this about XP putting other computers at risk? Where the heck have you been, what rock have you been hiding out under? XP a risk? You just go ahead and tell that to many Fortune 500 companies that use XP as their server backbone. Why don't you go ahead and tell that to the whole state of California, who's school districts choose to use Windows XP in about 70% of their classrooms, with the remaining 30% going to Apple products.

    And about having to test drive an O.S. before coming in here and supposedly talking badly about it, if you read my original post in here, I said nothing bad at all, there was no bucket talking of any O.S. from me! Plus if that was pointed in my direction, who cares, so what if I don't want to test or use Windows 7 or Windows 8, I'll even say so what to my Widows XP, were are all entitled to use what we want to use, even if that Operating System originally released back on August 24, 2001.

    "If it works, it works", regardless of the O.S.
  5. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,690   +96

    Pretty much spot on, we have been sharing our experiences with W8CP in another thread, and generally I think all of us (being power users) is able to find ways to live with it.

    Personally I am damn pleased that Start button has disappeared, and I can simply type whatever I want to run, saves times and lots of clicks. So this simple one reason is compelling enough for me. However, it would be nice if MS adds a way to group these tiles, which may result in reducing clutter as well as need to continuously scroll right & left.

    On the video, it does prove one thing, normal everyday user may end up spending some time to learn how to navigate his/her way around the new UI, but again, it shouldn't be that difficult.
  6. Microsoft's philosophy of "One size fits all" (other then registry entries) is going to bite them hard if they chase both the desktop and mobile segments with this horrible mashup of traditional desktop and Metro interface.

    It's not hard to put in code to detect the device capabilities (desktop monitor | phone display, mouse | touch sensor) and present the best UI for the device, with an option to swap at any time. Those with notebooks that can convert to tablet should expect exactly this kind of functionality, seamless switch between the familiar old desktop with start button, and Metro.

    But they won't, because Ballmer is too stubborn.
  7. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,957   +214

    Watching the full video indeed the last 10 seconds where worth it.
    I don't even know if I want to give Windows 8 even a try, I simply don't understand Microsofts choice.

    Why not make one "Windows 8 for Tablets" version and another regular version like "Windows 8 Professional"
    Would that be too much to ask?
    I mean the tablet interface is just crap if you don't have a touch monitor IMO
  8. The website "" doesn't seem to exist. It displays a blank page. And the URL for the specific blog post by Bibik serves up a 404.
  9. Hahahahaha, that last comment was GOLD!
  10. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,713   +3,688

    I've never dealt with anything but Windows and this new Metro UI is a strong compelling reason to try other OS's. I have no intentions of giving this Metro interface a trial run. I find it a disgrace to my computer literacy skills. I'm not a kid, I didn't wake up yesterday to use a computer for the first time, I don't have a touch screen, why is Microsoft trying to treat me as such.

    Such an OS might have a chance once touch screens are more wide spread. For now building an OS around such hardware is doomed to failure. Sure there are reason to have Metro interface and there is also reasons not to have this interface. I for one am not ready for this drastic change. I would love to support this new OS but if it doesn't support both touch screen and non-touch screen, my support will stay with Windows 7.
  11. Microsoft should design windows 8 in such a way that users can change the setting to either completely desktop environment or metro environment and also still add feature from desktop environment to metro and vice versa
  12. I'm an average user ad had a hard time navigating. I got pretty disgusted with how long it was taking me to find stuff so i thought, sod this, but then I couldn't find "shut down". What a crap interface. Totally not windows-user-friendly. No doubt an 8 yr old will love it.
  13. Yep, it's crap, reminds me of the Vista debacle, or some of the Office "updates". How can MS get things so wrong ?
  14. The last 10 seconds sums up my experience a few years ago. I was a hardcore PC user, i built them, used 3D modelling programs on them and never considered changing. Then when i wanted a new P, vista came out and thats when I had to make one of 3 choices:

    1. stick with a 10 year old OS that works relatively well but looks dated and ****.
    2. Use Vista which looks a bit less **** but is riddled with bugs and simply doesnt work.
    3. Move to Mac OSX Leopard which is modern, looks amazing, has great usability, is super stable and has zero maintanence issues

    Guess which choice I made?!
  15. fimbles

    fimbles TS Evangelist Posts: 1,185   +208

    I dont see any point in windows 8 at all, exept for tablet use.

    Why do i need fancy pastel blocks when i can just right click any app and send it to desktop as a shortcut?

    Why get rid of the start menu when it lists every program on your pc in an easy to find list, And if you dont like looking through the list, just type the name of the program in the start menu bar and hey presto!

    Why hide settings and shut down options in over complicated hidden menus?

    Windows vista was ripped to pieces due to people trying to install it on machines that did not have the cahones to run it. On a good pc it runs perfectly.

    Windows xp is still great, but lack of dx11 somewhat limits it if you are a gamer like me.

    Stick with windows 7 or vista if you have the pc to handle it.
  16. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,886   +1,222

    One person does not make a for a realistic sample. I could show you a video of Snooki driving to prove that a car is too hard to operate.

    They should put window controls on apps though, even if they're hidden until the mouse is nearby.
  17. yukka

    yukka TechSpot Paladin Posts: 861   +67

    Its simple, they should have an option to use metro or the traditional start menu or a combination of both with options for what you want the windows key to do if pressed.

    the whole hot corner thing needs a tutorial for new users with arrows demonstrating the method of use. In fact the whole metro interface could use that. A tutorial video or interactive tutorial that takes over the desktop/metro etc and shows you how everything works.

    But MS are trying to force everyone to try out the tablet ui on the desktop and its just going to piss people off - it already has in most cases. At least there is a utility that puts the start menu back, I already did that and now I look at Win8 and think "Why would i want to use this over Windows 7". Certainly being able to browse inside ISO files is nice and the taskbar stretches across multiple monitors. Apart from that?
  18. TJGeezer

    TJGeezer TS Enthusiast Posts: 385   +10

    Nah, I'd have to give that one to Windows 7: More stable, just as easily tweaked, doesn't overload the mid-curve, well debugged hardware I prefer. As for Win 8, the preview doesn't want to install easily in an Oracle VM on my machine and I'm not all that eager, so I'll just wait to see if it flies for power users, like 7, or if it falls like a Vista-wrapped brick.
  19. Yeah, clearly not fake at all...
  20. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,264   +436

    I don't disabled UAC and i'm an advanced user. Infact I have push the slider back up to the Vista levels of UAC.

    Having that alittle extra protection there is good incase something slips by me and I haven't had a virus in years but better to be safe than sorry.
  21. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,264   +436

    There is a difference between running XP in a corporate environment where everything is locked down and users aren't logged in as admin. This I would trust, but in the hands of a noob at home XP is a disaster waiting to happen. I would rather use a OSX than go back to XP.
  22. killeriii

    killeriii TS Enthusiast Posts: 213   +14

    Another Windows OS to skip.

    I don't get it. Is it really that hard for a multi-billion dollar software company to get it right the first time?
    I understand the need for Metro, but i want it to work seamlessly.
    And i want more:
    Native multiple desktops done right. An upgrade to NTFS that adds current features and advances (DRM is not a feature). Now that everyone has a multi-core proc, make it easier to assign programs to cores.

    i could go on.

    If Microsoft finds features like these too difficult, maybe they should hire some of the Linux community.
  23. Zen

    Zen TechSpot Paladin Posts: 861   +50

    I see what your saying here and for the most part agree with your statements. XP in a cold room, in the basement of a million dollar company is locked down and up pretty tight, it's secure. Yes, XP or pretty much any Operating System out there which isn't as well secure as a corporation's version could be a Operating System asking for trouble. And yes, the average common everyday "noob", given a chance to sit and point and click their way through XP could be problematic at best. But there again an Operating System is only as "weak" or "strong" as the user sitting in front of it. For me my Operating System is a mega monster and is strong as hell, but that's only because once upon a time I gave a damn and choose to get a Computer Science degree and got Microsoft Certified in the Windows 2000 Server, Advanced Server and Windows 2000 Professional system platforms. XP being the child of 2000 Pro is just about the same in every regard, and is why I'm a loyal "fanboy" of it, it's what I know, so that's why I choose to stick with it, minus at the time the big deal that people made about XP being to much "eye candy", lame duck there, eye candy, look at systems of today and tell me XP is loaded with visual goodies........"not"!

    It's all about choice, it's all about preference, and the bottom's all about what works for the individual. Let's just all be happy that we have a choice, what could be worse, what.....everyone out there could be stuck with Windows Millennium Edition. :)

    3DCGMODELER TS Enthusiast Posts: 307   +18

    thats right on the point...
    i would of felt the same way...

    I will stay with windows 98

  25. tipstir

    tipstir TS Ambassador Posts: 2,472   +126

    Yes Windows Metro 8 being pushed into the tablet market. If you want to run this on your desktop best get a touch screen monitor touch screen all-in-one PC. They can't get talking to your computer to smooth out yet. Android Assistant you can say" open gmail" and if it works she'll open it up. She might say she can't understand you. So now we can use our fingers to touch the screen to move things around and now Windows 8 will allow us to do more. Hopefully Microsoft has ironed out the bugs but like with their track record they wont! Once back in 1998 one of their VP for this region told me "everyone is a beta tester for our software and they don't even know it!"

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