Squid Surprise
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Not how you implied it.... nor were they all at gun-point... most moved voluntarily1. Ethnic cleansing includes mass expulsion aimed at creating an ethnically homogenous area, often with violence and killing to achieve that goal. The UN defines it as "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area." The Nakba involved the expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians at gunpoint, precisely fitting this definition. Trying to narrow it to only mean mass killing is incorrect.
Lol... not exactly... they were all under Turkish rule and those not Muslim were treated as second-class citizens (although the Turks/Ottomans certainly treated the Jews better than the rest of the world)2. Like I said, Jewish, Chrisitans, Muslims all lived in peace before the documented ethnic cleansing of Palestinians carried out by the Zionist project to establish and maintain Israel. Which requires a Jewish majority, and the suppression of anything that interferes with that.
Again, look at how Jews are treated everywhere else in the Middle East... they MUST maintain their own nation or risk extermination by the Muslim world.3. Saying Palestinians are merely not treated as well as they should be is a massive understatement. We're talking about an apartheid state, a brutal decades long occupation, a siege designed to make life unlivable, settlers kicking people out of homes with army backing, military courts with 99%+ conviction rates, administrative detention without trial, and systemic dehumanization. Comparing this to the hypothetical fate of a Jew in another country is irrelevant and another deflection. The conditions imposed by Israel on Palestinians must be judged on their own horrific merits.
Really? How does Iran treat Jews? How about Syria? The ones who nominally acknowledge their right to exist only do so because their aid/funding from the US depends on it.4. Attributing a unified policy of "sweeping Jews into the sea" to the entire "Muslim world" funding Palestinians is a propaganda trope. Many Arab states have officially offered normalization in exchange for a Palestinian state on 1967 borders. Meanwhile, you have prominent Israelis calling for war crimes, boasting about destruction, and dehumanizing Palestinians (Shimon Riklin, May Golan, Yoav Gallant).
What's the Palestinian manifesto say about Jews?
Here's one of their leaders trying to backtrack a bit... but it's pretty damning when asked if Hamas would acknowledge Israel's right to exist:
We do not want to go into issues that complicate the struggle. We are offering a real chance that the Arabs and Palestinians believe in. There will remain a state called Israel, this is an issue of fact but the Palestinians should not be required to recognize Israel.
There isn't a nation on Earth that wasn't formed by conquering another one... Islam itself believes in Jihad - you think ANY nations were Muslim before 622CE? You think the Persian Empire was Muslim?5. The issue isn't finding Palestinians new land funded by others. The issue is that Palestinians were expelled from their own land and homes in Palestine during the Nakba and continue to face displacement through settlements and demolitions. Their demand isn't for charity resettlement elsewhere, it's for their right to return or, at minimum, an end to the occupation and siege preventing self determination on what little land remains. Suggesting others should house them essentially validates the original displacement.
Your argument deflects from Israel's documented actions, (The occupation, the blockade, the settlements, the violence) by blaming external actors and invoking inflammatory rhetoric, ignoring the historical context.
North and South America were all taken from indigenous peoples - who in turn had ousted other indigenous peoples before them. The Ottoman Empire conquered most of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) - who had themselves conquered numerous other peoples...
How long does someone have to hold onto a territory until it's just "theirs"? You don't see Turkey offering to hand "Constantinople" (aka Istanbul) back to the Greeks... it's been almost 600 years yet many Greeks still think it belongs to them!
There comes a point in time when it behooves everyone to simply stop fighting and move on. This can and should involve reparations, relocation, etc...
The reason this hasn't taken place in Israel is simply because the rest of the Arab DICTATORSHIPS in the area use it as a distraction for their people - otherwise they might wake up and realize that they're living in a repressive dictatorship while their rulers literally live like kings.