GeForce GTX 780 Review: The Titan Descendant

So maybe you should act your age, you started the insult war because you don't like hearing someone else have an opinion or starting a fight by insulting and attacking a new person to the forums?

Oh funny, a double post, I seem to remember a complaint by a certain rude person acting like a know it all and complaining because a new person could not figure out what was wrong with the edit function. I thought you knew this place pretty well.

Double posting....

Your right amstech and I started the debate, but I was just telling an Nvidia troll to get off posting stupid stuff on an AMD review. You jumped in trying to defend him and then started throwing insults like a CoD kid.

You can cheerlead for the 7990 all you like, the simple fact is that every review site and most of the potential user base are thoroughly underwhelmed by the SKU - even your beloved Hardware Heaven (who only rarely rate any card less than 8/10) rated the GTX 690 higher than the HD 7990.
Two (power limited) neutered Tahiti GPUs that cost more than two discrete GHz versions ( $840 ) and renders basically nil increase in overclocking thanks to a hard limit of 375W input before throttling occurs, allied with lacking Crossfire profiles (esp. with Eyefinity) negates a lot of the potential of the card.

These issues will only be solved in the future when AMD get their ducks in a row regarding drivers and if AIB's are allowed to increase the input power to allow for overclocking headroom (although I'm certain that will require a move back to a triple-slot cooler). But in the Here and Now, the card makes little sense...less so given that the drivers are still in development and the card isn't actually for sale.

You can also engage amstech in a pointless Titan vs 7990 comparision, but the fact remains that the potential customers for one aren't the customers for the other. A Titan owner wants exclusivity, and the single fastest GPU card (or multi-card) setup, or maybe has a use for CUDA accelerated GPGPU.

That seems like you attacking the card especially posting that the card has "little sense" which sounds like your saying "No good" just with a different wording.

Like you said, don't through around fiction or accusations and don't expect to get called on it. I will be glad to post links to show what type of person you are and how you act to new people acting like a big shot even when called out on a mistake you made like when you started on me for my mistake.
 
Your right amstech and I started the debate, but I was just telling an Nvidia troll to get off posting stupid stuff on an AMD review.
By your own submission in both nVidia and AMD threads, you have no ground to stand on while making that request. Everyones postings can be seen as stupid, evidence of this is when they invoke a contradictory response. There has been quite a few of these postings, and amstech is not the only one calling attention to himself.
 
Your right amstech and I started the debate, but I was just telling an Nvidia troll to get off posting stupid stuff on an AMD review. You jumped in trying to defend him and then started throwing insults like a CoD kid..
Whoa now I haven't started any debate with anyone. I've made one other post on this topic and it was pretty general. Don't drag me into another one of your flame wars I don't like being seen in the same thread as you.

There has been quite a few of these postings, and amstech is not the only one calling attention to himself.

Hey leave me outta this! And I admit my bias if I post bias comments! (like saying my loyalties belong to so and so before I post)
 
By your own submission in both nVidia and AMD threads, you have no ground to stand on while making that request. Everyones postings can be seen as stupid, evidence of this is when they invoke a contradictory response. There has been quite a few of these postings, and amstech is not the only one calling attention to himself.

Sadly id agree that everyone's posting could be viewed as stupid lol.

However, here all I said was that the 780 was a great card and we will see how well it improves also as tiem goes on while questioning such a close performance to the Titan for such a lower price (mind you still pricey). Divide's the one still mad trying to make himself look smart by trying to justify the titans price.
 
Given there was no competition for 780. not sure why nvidia did not follow titan's pricing and price the 780 at $850. my guess is that nvidia's marketing dept strategize that most if not all of the top 1-3% buyers have already bought titan. that same money spending 1-3% will not buy the 780 at $850 only to dump titan.

so instead they follow 680's pricing instead. pricing 780 inline with 680. that will get on the fence titan buyers and current 680 owners itching to upgrade. . 680 will also hold their value. that way nvidia can continue to sell 680 at launch price.

nvidia STRATEGICALLY hit the nail on the head with this one. a win win win for nvidia. the only semi-loser are the titan owners. semi becuase they still own the fastest single gpu with 6gb vram. that in its own is a premium.

gotta love capitalism at its best!
 
Sadly id agree that everyone's posting could be viewed as stupid lol.

However, here all I said was that the 780 was a great card and we will see how well it improves also as tiem goes on while questioning such a close performance to the Titan for such a lower price (mind you still pricey). Divide's the one still mad trying to make himself look smart by trying to justify the titans price.
Price justification can only be viewed by the one doing the purchase at the time. While I would agree with you on the price not being justified. This is still an opinion that would vary from those who see differently. I'm not gonna tell someone that wants/needs the card and has money to spend, the price can not be justified. Personally I draw the line at 300, but for others that draw the line at 800+, who am I to say otherwise?
 
Well in reality, it depends on what people are wanting/willing to do, how much they are willing to spend, etc. Its just with the way things are going, I remember buying (Or trying to before newegg messed up) a 590 for 699 and were at a point where the 780 is now 649 which is right below. Its kinda getting depressing as it almost seems like they are making having top of the line cards become more like a full on luxury.

I wish this trend in general would stop.

amstech
It's no secret that my personal loyalties are with Nvidia. Over the past 5 years GTX's have been smoother cards with more features/less problems. It was nice to see the 7970 have the success it did but I still never considered it the single GPU king during that period because it came with an asterisk; it never definitively beat the 680 outright and still it loses stock for stock in games.
7970 owners are only fooling themselves with thier performance claims...these results are devious and don't represent the stuttery gameplay or frametime results. Simply put, they are not as good as GTX's and never were.
They are bang for your buck GPU's and that has not changed.
A GTX is the best GPU money can buy and offers the smoothest, most feature rich gaming experience money can buy. Period.

Oh you don't start flame wars, seems that this is one of the earliest posts...
 
I'll be sticking with my GTX 670s for the foreseeable future. They powerful enough to run every game in library at the max resolution with all the eye-candy turned on at very playable framerates.

Im with you except I run 2 7870 Ghz. Ed. boards. I am still getting outstanding performance from these and I paid a total of $455 for the pair.

Dave
 
Yea, if you are happy with your cards and they do exactly what you wanted. Then you have made a smart purchase. Upgrading should not be forced as cards come and go constantly. I knew a guy who had some 9800s in his machine and only upgraded within the last year (machine and all).
 
Oh you don't start flame wars, seems that this is one of the earliest posts...
That post was in another thread entirely! Your still butthurt over that? What a little baby, And I admitted I was a Nvidia guy first sentence!
Don't drag me into this thread. It's fun watching Graham talk to you...its like watching a parent talk to his child.
 
I'm still using a single GTX285 :p but will be purchasing (well the girlfriend will be buying me) the GTX 780, god I can't wait!

And GhostRyder, nice to see you again on another Graphics Card Review and again bashing the Titan as hard as you can xD (don't reply to this with more hate, I cba to have this discussion, but a funny reply would be most welcome).
 
I think a good weekend poll or discussion would be about what type of video cable people use and WHY.

DVI, HDMI, or DP
 
Amstech, your so immature that you run into other articles to diss a video card that beats yours. Your obviously in the last thread butthurt and still are regarding that amd cards are higher in the charts than your precious nvidia cards. That's why you take to flaming and trolling because your so mad and think that anyone showing nvidia below like it is right now in fps in terms of current generation comparisons that you have to make ludicrous claims and whine and complain.

Also I believe you posted here of your free will, so obviously I did not "drag" you into anything. Your an obvious troll who needs to grow up.

Burty117, nice to see you too. I'm not bashing the Titan, I'm simply saying the performance differences that the 780 is a much better buy (mind you still pricey). They are trying to give the Titan superfluous purposes to say the 1000 is warranted. I have conceded that yes the developer tools are nice for it, but I highly doubt people were buying the GTX Titan for that purpose more than strictly for gaming, and in that regard, the card feels way overpriced.

It's like saying that people were only buying the hd 6990 to bitcoin mine. Just because it does that well does not make it it's primary buying market.
 
Amstech, your so immature that you run into other articles to diss a video card that beats yours. Your obviously in the last thread butthurt and still are regarding that amd cards are higher in the charts than your precious nvidia cards.

Dude, your the one being "Immature" I think I speak for more than just myself, but I stopped reading your posts after the 3rd one because of the lack of tangible facts or opinions. It's a bloody video card, get over yourself.
 
It still cant validate its price and even adding the features along with the VRAM does not validate its price point. In the last 3 years, we have gone from having dual GPU cards in the same generation costing 700-800 to having a single GPU cost 1000 dollars. I still stand with the people saying the 780 is still overpriced as well, but its a good card at a better price than that of the titan.
I still stand with the people saying the 780 is still overpriced as well, but its a good card at a better price than that of the titan.
My point was comparing its power on the tests shown and given the price for high end gaming, its power no longer matches at all its price when compared to the 780, the 780 is a much better buy (Though again its still a little pricey).
This card is interesting and a nice add on for a new gen nvidia card. Though I feel it's a insult to those who bought the Titan because from the paper specs and the few benchmarks I've seen, it seems that the price to performance level of the 780 is wayyy better than the gtx Titan and I'm curious as to why they would put that performance so close and then charge this price. It's really insulting to those who spent the 1000 dollars for a Titan to now see something that will perform so close to it for 350 from the same company.

Its called Debating a card, if you dont want to talk about it your not forced to adhmuz. Since you say I dont have opinions, I have posted plenty right above, short, sweet, and to the point.

Also my facts are from the review since we are posting on the REVIEW of the 780 for this site. Thats where im focusing my debate and why im focusing on it. When im on the other forums im on, I focus on their review. I dont go and constantly grab from here to bring stuff in, were looking at what we have here in terms of performance, price, and whatever else is talked about.
 
Burty117, nice to see you too. I'm not bashing the Titan, I'm simply saying the performance differences that the 780 is a much better buy (mind you still pricey). They are trying to give the Titan superfluous purposes to say the 1000 is warranted. I have conceded that yes the developer tools are nice for it, but I highly doubt people were buying the GTX Titan for that purpose more than strictly for gaming, and in that regard, the card feels way overpriced.

It's like saying that people were only buying the hd 6990 to bitcoin mine. Just because it does that well does not make it it's primary buying market.

I asked for a funny reply not a "pro trolling" reply, geez... come on, you must be slightly human, reply like a normal person and accept the fact we'd rather hear something funny come out of your mouth (well typed) rather than you trying to dignify bashing the titan at every opportunity with your own twisted logic...
 
Half the time im typing on my Surface Pro because at work were not allowed to use our machines for outside fun nor are we allowed to bring in "Computers" so sometimes I miss some things or get lazy because the surface somtimes auto corrects or I think I hit something and it didnt read because I hit it too fast.

Twisted Logic?
What that the cards performance is right next to the 780 in terms of performance so for a gamer the 780 is a tremendously better buy like with the previous generation 670 vs 680 (unless you wanted to quad them up of course).

That pretty much Spock on Logic
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Before this gets too far out of hand I call time out on the personal comments. Further posts that contain personal comments, regardless of other content, will disappear in their entirety.
 
I am not in the market for a new videocard as I like to upgrade when I can get a 70-100% increase in GPU speed. I think a reasonable price is $450-500 with 1.05ghz 7970s going for $400. Assuming the 780 is only 16-20% faster than 7970+4 free latest games, it is just not that exciting 1+ year later.
 
Half the time im typing on my Surface Pro because at work were not allowed to use our machines for outside fun nor are we allowed to bring in "Computers" so sometimes I miss some things or get lazy because the surface somtimes auto corrects or I think I hit something and it didnt read because I hit it too fast.

Twisted Logic?
What that the cards performance is right next to the 780 in terms of performance so for a gamer the 780 is a tremendously better buy like with the previous generation 670 vs 680 (unless you wanted to quad them up of course).

That pretty much Spock on Logic
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When I said "well typed" I meant I couldn't physically hear you talk so typing would have to do, lol.

Anyway, if you were so correct and your logic was perfect then why has the Titan sold more than the 690 has in its entire life? Even though in gaming benches it beat the titan? simple answer? exactly what DBZ was talking about, It appeals to more than just gamers and it is also the single fastest graphics card in games anyway, I absolutely agree that the 780 is pretty close in games, that's exactly why I plan to purchase one, but the Titan's price, although pricey if you look at it from a gamers perspective is still the fastest single graphics card on the market and from a developers perspective the cheapest "mini quadro" they can get their hands on, so you can see from their prospective it seems like a pretty nice piece of kit for its price.

As you said about the 6990, it is very good at bit coin mining, sure its great at games, but I'm happy to bet money on it someone out there purchased a 6990 purely for bit coin mining.
 
Anyway, if you were so correct and your logic was perfect then why has the Titan sold more than the 690 has in its entire life? Even though in gaming benches it beat the titan? simple answer? exactly what DBZ was talking about, It appeals to more than just gamers and it is also the single fastest graphics card in games anyway, I absolutely agree that the 780 is pretty close in games, that's exactly why I plan to purchase one, but the Titan's price, although pricey if you look at it from a gamers perspective is still the fastest single graphics card on the market and from a developers perspective the cheapest "mini quadro" they can get their hands on, so you can see from their prospective it seems like a pretty nice piece of kit for its price.

As you said about the 6990, it is very good at bit coin mining, sure its great at games, but I'm happy to bet money on it someone out there purchased a 6990 purely for bit coin mining.
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It outsold the 690 but it also once again is a single GPU and some gamers view that as better (Probably a mjority) and with a cool name, 6gb Vram, a decent amount of power compared to the last Gen, Alot of people went off to buy those and pair them up to get extreme high res support due to 6gb of Vram. Though I can only base that based off what ive seen, how people talk, and what ive heard so thats a speculation. However at the same time remember, you can run 3 or 4 (Again site lists 3, but I know ive seen 4 way setups so im still getting these mixed messages) which means theres more that people can buy where as with a 690 you can only run up to 2, thus giving more area to buy. Plus like I said to, yes developers bought the card for developing as well, though I still dont agree that people were buying that as a majority focus, it still added an extra area of the market that was not there before wit the 690 or 680 alike.

As for the 6990, oh yes I know people did buy those for bitcoin mining as I saw machines with crummy old dual cores and such with an 6990 in them always labaled bitcoin machines and such. But like I said before, it may have added more to the market for wanting it, but it was not its primary focus with the community as most people were looking at the fact it was 2 6970's for gaming.

For the record, I agree with some of what Divide said, yes there is an area of people and now with the 780 that area may increase that want the Titan for more Developmental purposes. I do not agree with saying that that is the main focus people bought the card. Im just saying that for the point of the gamer which many gamers went out and bought that card expecting to be vastly superior, they are probably a bit dissappointed to see something so close like the 780 for a huge sum less. If they just care that the card is still at the top, awesome, your still at the top of the market on the fastest single GPU available.
 
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