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Google co-founder: Windows is torturing users

By Emil · 47 replies
May 12, 2011
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  1. At the Google I/O 2011 conference yesterday, Google co-founder Sergey Brin made a point to outline why his company is taking on Microsoft in the operating system space. In short,…

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  2. I believe that Google has produced a good product, but Windows operates a good chunk of the world. Google continues to slander Microsoft on its operating system. I do agree there is some pains with Windows. Also, there are a lot of products and software people and businesses have invested in that is Windows only.

    I believe in the cloud, but I do believe in my privacy, and I don't want all my files and software on a cloud where if they don't like it they can remove/take it. Instead of getting a search warrant before touching any of my information. Google has a great idea, but I do not seeing it take over. Microsoft has created a monopoly with their operating system and its gonna be hard to beat them out.
  3. madboyv1

    madboyv1 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,446   +349

    Ha ha Google... you're so funny.

    Configuring Windows for the average user is either automatic or very, very easy. arguably speaking, Windows Updates can and I believe defaults to automatically installing and other than having to restart for this now and then, is transparent to the user. I have my system set up to ask for the install and for the restart, opposed to automatically install/restart, but that's my choice. Management is about options as well; and Windows has an "easy way" or "hard way" mentality about it. Simple wording, simple prompts for options and settings a user is most likely to change, and then settings you need to dig into in order to understand. This is the same for OSX and probably Chrome OS as well, so I don't see what this gripe is all about.
  4. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,010   +18

    I dunno, Google is starting to sound more like Apple every day.

    I would have no problem with stealth updates, if it wasn't for all those other things that get slipped under the radar. I thought I had my Google Buzz pretty locked down until I saw some stranger following me. Turns out there was some privacy update I wasn't aware of that required me to opt out, again, of having random people follow me.

    Sorry, I prefer to know about my updates and allow them, even just for the sake of knowing that I installed one so that I can undo it if any problems pop up. Even the WGA (or whatever its called) does not come checked as default in Windows Update, you still have to select it to run.

    MS has been the boogeyman for so long that nobody notices, or wants to believe, the throng of companies replacing them. Not that long ago something as stupid as bundling a browser or WMP was seen as some kind of evil monopolistic scheme by MS, but having half a billion people cheerfully having all their data sold by Facebook is somehow ok.

    Paige, Zuckerberg and Jobs have plenty of quotes out there about their core beliefs as to how the internet should run, which pretty much involves no privacy for anyone, and that everything is up for sale. But MS is still the bad guy.
  5. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,690   +95

    +1 mad
    He simply forgot how Royal Pain in the A** their existing OS i.e. android can be, it can be just as unstable as any other OS, it gets slower for no apparent reason, it crashes very so often for no apparent reason, it isn't as 'seamlessly performing OS' as Google want us to believe it to be, its interface is pretty much pathetic compared to other offerings, and it is just as prone to malware as other OSes can be, and yeah battery life well lets just not go there .. I think he stuck his foot in his mouth somehow and afterwards well, you know what happened ;)
  6. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 669

    I'm curious if any of you commentators (besides the Guest) bothered to watch the video.
    The video is touting the benefits of webapps or cloud based computing. Since the applications are actually run on servers instead of your device, there's no need for Automatic Updates or local installations. So would you disagree with their premise that even updating automatically isn't as convenient as not having to deal with updates at all?

    There's actually several complaints I'd have regarding their design, like unavailable internet, updates that conflict with custom code, information privacy (as guest pointed out), etc.

    When Microsoft bundled IE with Windows, they basically used their monopoly to crush the then superior Netscape browser which built and defined the internet experience. It would have been much more favorably received if they bundled Netscape or even acquired the company as opposed to forcing them out of business with a then terrible web browser. And if I remember correctly, WMP when first introduced was incompatible with many common formats (mp3) and added DRM to any music added to its library. Microsoft has done plenty of unethical maneuvers to land them in the anti-Microsoft hot water they deal with today.
  7. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,223   +163

    This sounds like he had a group think with Madison Ave. A stretch of epic proportions that assumes everyone is an complete rube.
  8. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,549   +235

    yea but will it support rich text editing.

  9. Chazz

    Chazz TS Evangelist Posts: 679   +74

    I agree, I would've taken offense to his statement had I been there.

    I also love the hypocrisy of his views. How's the update process on Android?
  10. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,010   +18

    Gosh, you're right. Because in addition to installing IE and WMP, MS disabled a person's ability to install anything else. I don't recall any DRM getting installed on music that I played, but then I used Winamp since pretty much it came out. I do recall getting Netscape delivered to my mailbox on a near weekly basis however. So if you had internet access in the 1990s, you were pretty much guaranteed to at least have the option of installing Netscape. If you were unwilling to do so, that was your problem.

    The main point of my post was that companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook are always talking about how bad and evil MS is, while they are doing much much worse IMO. MS being evil is just this knee jerk reaction to anything that is 'establishment'. Like hippies railing against "the man", attacking MS is just the default, whereas people should take a second look. Google and Apple are not the companies that they started out to be.

    If you set yourself up as being 1984, and then use it as a playbook for your business, or you go around saying "do no evil" and then start acting evil, then in my book you're being worse than someone who did not go around making such broad statements about the morality of their company.
  11. mattfrompa

    mattfrompa TS Guru Posts: 528   +42

    I think the government would torture me if Google had all of my data. Whether it be Windows or Linux, I do not trust the cloud. Perhaps Chrome COULD replace many existing Windows machines...but I would argue that it would benefit Google much more than the consumer.

    Ten years from now, "Google believes houses are torturing their owners and 60% of home owners could live in a google hotel, complete with two way mirrors everywhere. You can trust us, we're the ones who go through your email and search data to show you ads!"
  12. Cota

    Cota TS Enthusiast Posts: 513   +8


    BTW google could you stop making WoW propaganda on my IP? or maybe you need to spy more so you recognize this house has a new owner? :(
  13. Whoaman

    Whoaman TS Rookie Posts: 71

    Nice kids\newbie toy. Similar to the netbook analogy but in software.

    Back to the dummy terminal. Perhaps one day it will play with the big boys once the net is ubiquitously fast and omnipresent.
  14. Zecias

    Zecias TS Booster Posts: 202

    just as a general rule of thumb, i assume every large corporation is evil.
  15. ET3D

    ET3D TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,279   +105

    Exactly. I worked on a mainframe terminal, and indeed software was updated seamlessly. And you couldn't work if there was a communication problem. Or if the mainframe was rebooted. I wouldn't want to put my productivity at the risk of communication. It's hard enough to lose web access, it would be much harder to lose all app access.

    Also, local apps usually need the user to okay updates, but that's usually a good thing. You don't want to be automatically upgraded to the latest beta with a spanking new unfamiliar interface just when you're due your report.

    I agree though that Windows needs one thing badly, and that's getting rid of reboots. I really hope Windows 8 addresses this.
  16. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,217   +398

    Sorry google I disagree windows isn't the problem the brainless public. If I wanted a OS that was gonna do everything for me and hold my hand I would buy an apple computer!

    There are just far too many people that don't sit down and just take the time to use the computer and learn how to use it efficiently. Every version of windows gets easier to operate but it won't help lazy people.
  17. yukka

    yukka TechSpot Paladin Posts: 855   +64

    I watched the video. It says that your Chromebook updates itself automatically when you power it on. Sounds alot like windows update to me. You turn on your Chromebook and its slow to boot - oh whats wrong with it?! Its updating. Just like Windows.

    Good luck using web apps when the webs down. And good luck using it in business. They are getting worse than Apple.
  18. PinothyJ

    PinothyJ TS Guru Posts: 451   +21

    Microsoft may be the very vision of capitalism, but Google are very Reagen and Stalin-esque in regards to how they handle privacy.

    I cannot honestly see myself switching to Mac because all Mac users are wankers (don't get all flamey with me! As a Sales consultant in a business orientated IT store that sells both PC and Mac products, you can ALWAYS pick a Mac user off because they are pretentious wankers who want to waste your times with the most trivial of things. If you are a passionate Apple user I highly suggest you take a good look in the mirror because my many years in serving Mac users tell me that you're probably a prat - sorry.), and I sure as hell don't want to switch to a company that spends more time in court over privacy than the other two combined.

    It looks like I will be sticking with the lesser of three evils…
  19. Whoaman

    Whoaman TS Rookie Posts: 71

    That's because Mac users have the free time to be trivial and pretentious ;)
  20. "The company insists that keeping the computer up-to-date without any work on the part of the user, making management and updates essentially invisible, is critical."

    critical for them to be able to install any crap they want on your system without your knowledge. fail.
  21. slayer357

    slayer357 TS Rookie

    I work in an IT dept.. Updating frequently can run you into many issues. Some software will not work after updates. Having this issue currently with IE9. Our school reports will not work with IE9. The state does not update their software frequently so we also have Java problems. Automatic updates are good, but in some cases it does more harm then good, especially in the IT environment. You must test these updates and products to ensure stability of your infrastructure.
  22. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,690   +95

    By the way it is just as easy to 'disable' automatic updates slayer, I am sure you are aware of it; and government departments hardly every update anything, unless they are 'forced' to do so.
  23. gobbybobby

    gobbybobby TS Guru Posts: 549   +9

    I just don't like the sound of googles OS, MS may be a bit ****, but it works I can play games. Competition is good tho, might make M$ shake it up a bit.

    I would use Linux if all ma games and Steam worked on it.
  24. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 669

    Since I'm (sarcastically) right, how about you read a little and maybe become a little less belligerent.
    How Microsoft Killed Netscape
  25. Humans feel pain, amoebas don’t feel pain but I think all prefer to be humans and try to fight the pain than are amoebas.

    Terminal pc is a dead idea.

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