So calling for a peaceful rally is against the law?
What action did the President do that day that constitutes treason? You may want to look at the wording of the law; then point out what the President did that constituted application of that law.
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What action did the President do that day that constitutes treason? You may want to look at the wording of the law; then point out what the President did that constituted application of that law.
I take it you don’t have any interest in immigration law, so I’ll clue you in. Entering the country anywhere except a point of entry is a crime. It’s illegal.
Let’s
Last I heard, the government isn’t kidnapping citizens and selling them.
Who?
again, who?
I agree his actions were overboard, but I don’t see any actions that violated law.
I was talking about the people in charge, not the people coming in.
Ok funny MAGA you got me, but I meant the financial theft of its citizens.Let's start with Minnesota and see if you can get who I mean just with that.
But I don't mind helping a little further. A total of 8.
And before you try to MAGA me, not prosecuting a murder is permitting it.
I have to admit I'm curious, so I will let any MAGA use the brain that fox news gave them to come up with an answer of their own. Time to do your own homework.
So lets see what you come up with and why you think it was ok.
See that is a good point. The things he said he will do\wants to do in the election are not illegal unless he actually does them. So let's see what he tries. K?
Donald Trump's Jan. 6 Actions Qualify as 'Treason': Glenn Kirschner
The former U.S. Army prosecutor said the former president's actions sound like someone "who is levying war against" the U.S.
www.newsweek.com
And it's very well sourced, so save it please.
Who is Glenn Kirschner? His Wife, Children, Biography, Age, Net Worth & Height
Glenn Kirschner is an American legal analyst, attorney, journalist, and a former U.S. Army prosecutor. He is married to Niloofar.
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For a long time the people in charge were themselves breaking the law by not enforcing the law
Funny, how democrats make that a talking point. Yet the only person reaching into my pocket is the irs. The only people raising my taxes are democrats
Since you are intentionally hiding whatever your talking about I’ll just guess, that you’re referring to the 8 dead criminals in ICE dealings?
Let’s see. Two criminals with pre-existing heart issues. A criminal who died inadvertently while strongly resisting lawful orders. Two criminals who killed themselves. A criminal who died from organ failure. A criminal who died after trying to run over and kill ice agents.
Funny, why does the ultra left always go to Fox News with anyone who disagrees with them? I haven’t watched Fox News since Bill o'Reilly had his history series. Didn’t even finish it. That was what, 2016? I don’t even have cable. No interest when all the shows and movies are online or on dvd.
As for MAGA, I’m far from any of that Christian warrior nonsense.
Funny, why does the ultra left always go to Fox News with anyone who disagrees with them? I haven’t watched Fox News since Bill o'Reilly had his history series. Didn’t even finish it. That was what, 2016? I don’t even have cable. No interest when all the shows and movies are online or on dvd.
As for MAGA, I’m far from any of that Christian warrior nonsense.
Let’s.
Not saving anything. Of all the voices on the subject, there are far better choices you could have pulled from, you just showed your actual source of news. Some of them I’ve even considered in making my opinion on the issue.
You chose a progressive Democrat’s opinion, published by a magazine that EVERY bias report puts as between half-way and 2/3rds way to hard left. A magazine with as many gaffes, errors, and outright falsehoods as Washington Post.
And that early article quote? “Fight like hell”. Again I worked on Obama’s two campaigns. Voted for him twice. He used those words too.
And I personally consider them both to be in the same context: get your arse in line and contact the government at every level for things that are not right in the country.
Yes I know. We were talking about Presidents.
Mostly after a financial crisis created by an ending Repubie regime.
W was the worst, but it happened all the time.
Bush Sr. proved what its like to follow the missteps of a CONservative President because he had to come in after one. He hit office and knew he had to bail us out after Reagan.
So, he tried and got punished for it.
Anyway, since WW2 GDP growth under Dems is 4.1%. 2.5 under the pubes.
10 of the last 11 recessions happened under the repubs.
Total job growth under Dems 2.5% to 1.1%
Regular folk don't make more real money under trump, just the rich.
By a huge margin the economy inherited by the right is much stronger than when Dems take over from the right.
Also, no Dem raised your taxes as high as what we are paying because of the tariffs.
Sure, but I was just giving you a chance to reach beyond your BS talking point roots.
Well heart conditions can happen when all the blood is gone. But yeah, like George Floyd and the J6 cops, death or permanent injuries was pure coincidence.
That, right there was absolutely pitiful.
Because of what you did right here super dude. You not only quote their talking points, you do it nearly word for word. That's always when I bring them up. See, I watch (stomach) fox too.
Then I apologize. But you know the story of if it walks and talks like a duck etc.
K!
Name some. I will read them upon personal approval.
MSNOW, Fox and CNN all used him for information back when it was a hot topic.
So, that's why I picked him. Got better, name it.
Define context.
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If you only look at income tax, and only look at federal actions, you’re correct. State wise, things are very different.
People are complaining about standard gas prices? No, a handful of state’s residents are. Toss out 5 states and the national average for 87/88 is still 3.60. Up from roughly 3.20. Diesel less than doubled, from $3.~~ to 5:50 or so.
Sales taxes are higher by orders of magnitude in Democrat states.
Property prices and taxes? A million dollar house in nowhere California would cost around 100k in nowhere plains or heartland.
That same level of obscenity in taxing is seen in income in those same states.
I won’t go into financial policy, because I’m more worldly than most Americans. I don’t like our system at all. There are far better options than the American system or the Euro system.
Has nothing to do with the President. Nor with the 8 ice encounters I took to be your complaint. Floyd was tragic. The police involved were prosecuted.
Interesting hill to defend though. I never said there weren’t criminal actions by select people on J6. And those criminals should have been tried and convicted. I only said I understood the blank pardon when 99% of the prosecution was overblown and unwarranted. Especially when so much of the BLM riots went unaddressed, you lose a lot of credibility when you stand for one side and not the other.
I’ll take your word for it, I guess. I haven’t had cable in a very long time. Almost a decade.
If you’re correct: then it only further proves my point about the issue the Democrat Party has. Maga is a Christian Nationalist movement. If you move the “non-practicing” religious population from religious to non-religious, the scales tip to ~55% non-religious. Yet the country voted, twice, for a Christian faction that is so religious it borders on militant.
Your platform failed if those that praise god and those that just believe in god ready join those that oppose anything to do with one.
That’s a nice nugget to ponder over.
Again, I’ll take your word for it. I don’t have cable. I’ll have to go back and dig up the writings from the NYT at the time but the only place anyone called it treason was in guest editorials.
The President clearly said peacefully.
I liken J6 to exactly what happened in the BLM riots. Exact parallel. A small group of people in a large and passionate crowd, a group intent on attacking, throws the entire movement into chaos.
Context? I clearly and vividly remember a famous singer at a Democrat rally demanding to blow up a particular building. She wasn’t prosecuted. Context? Reading the speech I don’t see a call for violence, I see a call to demand to be heard. The same call Obama used.
I can point to many speeches from both parties and pull out of context just as well, calls for violence. Even absolute opaque ones that are undeniable.
You know I meant the overall semtiment. You use a blanket "he already had heart problems"
and spread it every place it suits you.
Then for God sakes brother take it up with the states.
Federal is what I thought we were talking about because of your defense of trump.
You can piggyback on my streaming service if you want!
It was a women's march in Washington, and her exact quote was that she "thought of blowing up the White House". Not much of a threat really but she was thoroughly run through the ringer for it. And she should have been, but it's a zero level threat.
And you really should not. Trying to stop the transfer of power in a nation that practically worshiped its election integrity for 2 centuries kind of pales to the BLM riots.
The Floyd protests took place in 2000 towns and cities in the US. 6-8% (approx) of the participants participated in violence, which is less that in many of trumps own rally's.
Quite a bit less. In Butler County PA (the October 5th rally) the incidents of violence was surprising, though I'm all in favor of MAGA-on-MAGA violence.
And in all those protests nationwide, not one member of law enforcement was killed.
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Trump didn’t raise my taxes. You said Democrats don’t raise taxes. If you make more than 30k, then nearly every Democrat power duopoly in the last 20 years has raised your taxes at the federal level and the state level.
Thanks, but I have no interest in live tv. Not from this country anyway.
I get the NYT, NYP, and WSJ daily. That covers the full left to right news spread well enough to keep me informed.
As was the speech on J6. People keep talking about “dog whistles” and “subtext” for people that like to call him brain dead, they sure give him a lot of credit. A, I don’t think President Trump is capable of making hidden innuendo. B, he has always made his threats quite directly, meaning to follow through or not.
Anyone that took any kind of hidden message away from that speech is mentally disturbed.
Guess David Dorn doesn’t count for you. Since he was retired. Or security guards. Deputised and not.
From my recollection one officer died due to injuries in the Jan 6 riot.
No comment on the rally. Beyond, I must have glossed over it. Bunch of right-wing nuts punching each other isn’t really surprising, nor interesting.
I disagree on the federal level. But thats how the Dems had to save America.
Every Repub power cycle ends with financial problems and has to be fixed.
But once it fell to another republican. Read my comments above in post 34 on that and how it went for him.
Even when I was younger I could not read for news I had to watch it.
I read a lot but just Stephen King and his type of books plus car and hunting magazines.
(remember them??)
Dog whistle is the perfect description. He spoke in a way the MAGAts actually understood, and especially with his inaction during the coup is why I will never believe he wanted anything else.
Just curious. Did you read the Glenn Kirschner writeup in Newsweek?
Wait. Officer Dorn interrupted a burglary away from the riots, didn't he?
I'm pretty sure the crime was unrelated to the riots and in fact were being committed with rioting as a cover. Hmmmm. I wonder if that would count. I can see both sides of that question.
Which again brings up the question should what happens away from, or after the riots count?
You have made me question myself in a way. Folks on the right rarely do that, its always stolen elections, pizza shop human trafficking and of course "BUT, BUT BIDEN"
You think they should right? But then we should count the J6 cops that committed suicide.
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Amazing author. Started with him before I found the world of Ann McCaffery. Greek and Nordic epics. Most of the world’s religious texts.
I haven’t seen strait spoken televised news in this country in a very long time and gave up.
I really think you give him too much credit. I also truely believe he could have done anything and those that lead the criminality would have done so anyway. He could have sung give peace a chance for two hours or held a massive love-in with the same end results.
no, but since you stand by it so much I will this evening. No promises to change my minds though, see last point.
Both mentioned issues had residual and/or co-timed lawlessness. Outside of the immediate location.
The security gates that were injured and killed protecting federal property, however, are undeniable. And are very much considered law enforcement by many.
BLM riots cause over 6000 reports of felony lawlessness. I don’t blame the movement. I blame the criminals.
Most were honestly peaceful protesters.
I also recognise from photos, videos, even general reporting across the spectrum, that the vast majority of Jan 6 protesters were peaceful. I don’t blame the movement there either. I blame the criminals.
I’m not over playing or down playing either. BLM was over a year. Jan 6 was one afternoon. Clearly what happened that day was down right disgusting.
I strongly and firmly believe that, aside from mental illness, a person is completely and absolutely responsible for their own actions. From committing any type of crime, to gambling and drug habits, to taking their own life. So no, I don’t count them. Anything at any time could have pushed a person willing to do that to the point of doing so.
And that’s right back to the speech. President Trump did not overtly call for any criminal activity, and in fact called for the opposite.
And I truly don’t believe Trump is capable of covertly doing anything.
Trump Says in Interview That He Will Accept Election Results
In an interview with two Times reporters, President Trump blamed the G.O.P.’s losses on the fact that he was not on the ballot, and said he was willing to work with Democrats.
www.nytimes.com
I was floored when I heard him say that.Trump Says in Interview That He Will Accept Election Results
In an interview with two Times reporters, President Trump blamed the G.O.P.’s losses on the fact that he was not on the ballot, and said he was willing to work with Democrats.
Do you think he will stick to it? I think it was just too big a margin to try
anything on Jan 3rd. Did you hear the phone call to fox when he said that?
And then he posts on truth social and all that goes away.
What is it with him man? He just can't help himself.
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