HP CEO Meg Whitman says Microsoft is becoming an outright competitor

By Shawn Knight ยท 13 replies
Oct 10, 2013
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  1. HP was one of the few that applauded Microsoft for taking initiative and building their own Windows 8 tablet in 2012. Executive John Solomon said he believed Redmond was making a leadership statement by showing what is possible in the...

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  2. coppersloane

    coppersloane TS Enthusiast Posts: 108   +33

    So, what is Microsoft supposed to do? Hold back on innovation to appease other manufacturers? Hold back so these other companies can stay comfy? Screw that. Microsoft has always had the power to innovate and change the way we compute, for better or worse, and now finally they're making it their priority. And they should. Every company should have exactly the same outlook on tech. Apple certainly does.
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  3. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,352   +293

    Microsoft has made no secret of its intended transition into a "device and services" type of company... So I'm not understanding how this comment by HP is anything but stating the obvious?
  4. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,724   +3,697

    All I'm gonna say is there must be too many players in the field. If HP is the one feeling most of the heat, then they must be the ones that need to go, if they can't keep up.
  5. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,690   +96

    HP haven't offered any compelling windows notebook in a while, even my current DV6 6011 feels 'overweight' ...... and the display is just bearable. So I think HP's decline has more to do with their own stupidity in not reading the market and not bringing out the devices which people like.
  6. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,999   +1,318

    I wouldnt throw the word innovate around so much.
    Then again, hardly anyone else seems to know what it means, so you're fine :D
  7. > So, what is Microsoft supposed to do? Hold back on innovation to appease other manufacturers?

    How about not screwing them over in the first place. Microsoft were charging OEMs for a full copy of windows for each Windows 8 tablet they sold, yet was effectively free when they sold one themselves. But that was okay, Ballmer told the OEMs that Microsoft was only going to sell them in Microsoft storefronts.

    When he reneged on that promise and began selling Microsoft tablets in big box stores, the writing was on the wall when you compare how much an OEM has to pay for a tablet that ships with a copy of Android, that requires a much cheaper BoM to build, versus Windows and its license fee, which the market has shown almost nobody wants anyway.

    If Microsoft had wanted to use their Windows OEM ecosystem they had invested years into building wisely, they would have subsidized Windows 8 licenses to OEMs so they could compete with Android based tablets in spite of Windows bloated requirement for flash, ram, and cpu, until such time that the base of Windows metro apps was enticing enough for the product to survive by itself. But they didn't and the OEMs were forced to cheap out on things like screen quality and battery life just to break even. Then Ballmer shafted them by moving to retail anyway, because it wasn't the runaway success they'd demanded it would be.

    Meanwhile IOS and Android are eating Microsoft's lunch while Ballmer wails that the maligned Windows 8 excuse for a user interface is just being misunderstood, but hey, its all okay because Microsoft is now vertically-integrated (products and services) company simply because he said so, and they don't need their OEM ecosystem anymore. And you're surprised when the likes of Meg Whitman flip Ballmer the bird and Ballmer resigns to leave the mess for someone else to clean up.
  8. NoLimits

    NoLimits TS Rookie

    Okay Mr. Guest, let me eat up your response. This is capitalistic world.

    How is Microsoft screwing these other Manufacturers? By giving them opportunities to make PC's? Do you realize Apple doesn't give any OEM the opportunities. They are eating away at Microsoft's personal computing numbers. Microsoft actually allows the MFG's to compete instead of making their own, most likely better, product in each space.

    Apple makes their own phones, tablets, computers, music players....EVERYTHING. Why the hell aren't people complaining about that?

    GTFO Microsoft's case, they SHOULD start controlling the supply chain better and get us better PC products, after all, it is their image these OEM's represent. Even if it is a Dell, HP, Acer, or Lenovo we still recognize it as a Windows PC. Crappy and slow hardware on certain OEM's can make somebody have a bad WINDOWS experience (EX: Hdd's versus SSD). And that's the truth.

    Microsoft was charging for a copy of Windows? Software they spent millions in developing? Crazy thought. It was free when they sold one themselves? They paid millions to develop it. They control the entire supply chain. It's called vertical integration.

    There is no difference here between Apple and Microsoft in this case. Shoot Microsoft buys hardware from other MFGs. Apple makes their own at the Foxconn plants.

    Why is there nothing wrong in either case? There are choices for us consumers to make. There is no monopoly here. The OS space is getting more competitive by the year.
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  9. > How is Microsoft screwing these other Manufacturers? By giving them opportunities to make PC's? Do you realize Apple doesn't give any OEM the opportunities.

    So your argument is that Apple is bad for being vertically-integrated, but Microsoft is wonderful because, they are going that way now too? Let me know how surprised you were when Microsoft bought Nokia, and when Microsoft buys a newly-taken-private Dell and tries to turn into Apple Mk. 2 across their entire product line. And stop selling OEM licenses to the public in all likelihood.

    So anyway, what part of Ballmer promising not to shaft OEMs in the retail space, and then going and doing exactly that, behind their backs while they had their own products in the manufacturing pipe, was a good idea for anyone? Other than Ballmer's next quarterly earnings report to shareholders?

    > Crappy and slow hardware on certain OEM's can make somebody have a bad WINDOWS experience

    Yes, and perhaps subsidizing licenses to make Windows less of a money sink for OEMs, rather than lumping them with both the full cost of the OS and the cost of the extra hardware required to run it versus what IOS or Android requires, might have worked out better for everyone, even Microsoft had they given the Metro apps library time to mature.

    > Microsoft was charging for a copy of Windows? Software they spent millions in developing? Crazy thought.

    I know Techspot is full of the MS/Intel/Nvidia-loving crowd, but OEMs do actually desire to ship desirable, useful products people want to buy. They've been hamstrung in the Windows space by both Microsoft and Intel for years dictating how to price and sell product, and have now turned to Android and ARM where, surprise surprise, they can make money. Meanwhile Intel and Microsoft are being shown up for what they always were. So if everyone has bitter memories of the crap sold as PCs in the last few years, perhaps simply blaming the OEMs is short-sighted?

    > This is capitalistic world.

    Yep, and I'd rather be the head of Asus right now, shipping Nexus 7's in volume for Google, than Ballmer's replacement.
  10. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,352   +293

    Well, technically the whole revamping to live tiles Metro / Windows 8 interface was quite a bit of user interface innovation, as well as the Surface form factor w/ kickstand idea, and the click-on keyboards...

    Innovation doesn't have to be good, or even accepted by users, to count as innovation.
  11. NoLimits

    NoLimits TS Rookie

    Moderator note: NoLimits, if you are going to use the quote function, please do so properly.
  12. NoLimits

    NoLimits TS Rookie

    I take that back the Chromebooks do use the Chrome OS, but it still is not good for power users. The functionality of the Chrome OS will need to come really far if it is ever to be compared to the functionality of Windows for power users.
  13. coppersloane

    coppersloane TS Enthusiast Posts: 108   +33

    You lost me at the OEM argument. Consumers are the new focus, and consumers don't care about your OEM argument.
  14. coppersloane

    coppersloane TS Enthusiast Posts: 108   +33

    You're right, and I'll make a preliminary list off the top of my head.

    1) Interface: turning the Start menu into a full-fledged tile spread (this one really has stupid people boggled)
    2) Swipe functions for opening and closing apps (also has stupid people whining 'It's too difficult to understand!')
    3) split-screen functionality for multi-tasking
    4) kickstand
    5) combination of smart cover and keyboard
    6) magnetic cover 'click in'

    All innovations. Some of them too innovative for the less intelligent, but that's besides the point. An ambitious company can't hold back for people stuck 15 years in the past.

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