India tells VPN, cloud, and crypto companies to collect user data or face imprisonment

[thehacker]

Lol. Eff your "wonderful" country which still has the caste system enforced but can't even keep a country clean. At least the Chinese have an iron will and keep a clean city.
BTW, I'm in Eastern Europe, so I was on the wrong side of history for hundreds of years. So definitely not west supremacy here.
But I'm definitely amused by the fact that you're racist against white people.

Caste system as you know it is not Indian. India had varna system which was not birth based. And anyone can change their varna if they wish to do so. Islamic and British invaders corrupted it and utilized as a fault line to further their agenda.

A westerner blaming others of racism is rather funny and very hypocritical. You cannot see all the hate comment posted here against India and Indians but my comment triggered your supremacist ego.

 

[Hexic]

So many hate comments against India by the same west(White Supremacists) which literally developed on the wealth which was stolen from India by the Britishers. Estimates tell it was in the tune of $45 trillion adjusted to current rates.

However, I do agree on the point that this govt has no idea what kind of power this data gives in the hand of the future governments.

How long do you plan on blaming other countries Imperial tendencies (GB gave up India 75 years ago, btw) for India's self-inflicted problems?

Looking at China from 1953 to current - they seem to be doing very well. India has no excuses other than rampant corruption for decades.

I don't blame current Germany for the atrocities they committed in WW2 to my descendants. Maybe it's time to face reality?

 

[thehacker]

How long do you plan on blaming other countries Imperial tendencies (GB gave up India 75 years ago, btw) for India's self-inflicted problems?

Looking at China from 1953 to current - they seem to be doing very well. India has no excuses other than rampant corruption for decades.

I don't blame current Germany for the atrocities they committed in WW2 to my descendants. Maybe it's time to face reality?

I do agree with you that there is rampant corruption and India had some time to catch up with the rest of the world. Population is another thing India should have controlled long back.

However, you can't compare China and India. China was never fully colonized. China has an authoritarian government unlike India which helps them control(enslave) their 1.3 billion people. There are no labour laws in China. And I am glad that we did not follow Chinese model of development. Moreover, it did not have to suffer additional 600+ years of Islamic invasions before Britishers came. Invaders destroyed/corrupted India and every system India had - financial, education et al. Post independence also there was constant interferrence in Indian politics from the west and China/Russia. Recovering from such a long period of disturbance takes time.

Yes Indians know what the reality is, but the west should also know the reality before they call Indians dirty and poor and what not.

 

[Xanthus]

How long do you plan on blaming other countries Imperial tendencies (GB gave up India 75 years ago, btw) for India's self-inflicted problems?

Looking at China from 1953 to current - they seem to be doing very well. India has no excuses other than rampant corruption for decades.

I don't blame current Germany for the atrocities they committed in WW2 to my descendants. Maybe it's time to face reality?

Wow, just Wow, to talk of colonization of an entire nation as no biggie, I don't even know whether you are trolling are not...

In case you aren't, by your logic does it mean that jews should hold no grudges for the atrocities commited against them?

Or do you think the world should not hold Russia accountable for the current invasion of Ukraine as in a few decades everything will be peachy between Russia and Ukraine?

 

[Hexic]

I do agree with you that there is rampant corruption and India had some time to catch up with the rest of the world. Population is another thing India should have controlled long back.

However, you can't compare China and India. China was never fully colonized. China has an authoritarian government unlike India which helps them control(enslave) their 1.3 billion people. There are no labour laws in China. And I am glad that we did not follow Chinese model of development. Moreover, it did not have to suffer additional 600+ years of Islamic invasions before Britishers came. Invaders destroyed/corrupted India and every system India had - financial, education et al. Post independence also there was constant interferrence in Indian politics from the west and China/Russia. Recovering from such a long period of disturbance takes time.

Yes Indians know what the reality is, but the west should also know the reality before they call Indians dirty and poor and what not.

Fair comparison on China/India conflict, I stand corrected.

I wasn't inferring that Indians are in any way lesser human beings - My only stance is perhaps infrastructure could be prioritized before complex VPN requirements, considering the state the Indian country is as a whole.

Once they do fully modernize (which I do think they will, only a matter of time), it'll be at such a rapid rate they could be vying for a world superpower position.

 

[Hexic]

Wow, just Wow, to talk of colonization of an entire nation as no biggie, I don't even know whether you are trolling are not...

Not trolling, and inferring colonization of an entire nation as 'no biggie' was your conclusion, not mine.

In case you aren't, by your logic does it mean that jews should hold no grudges for the atrocities commited against them?

You clearly didn't read (or correctly comprehend) my statement. If you scroll up, I stated, "I don't blame current Germany for the atrocities they committed in WW2 to my descendants." You must have missed reading the words 'current Germany' in there.

Or do you think the world should not hold Russia accountable for the current invasion of Ukraine as in a few decades everything will be peachy between Russia and Ukraine?

Your logic is going off on a tangent that doesn't have anything to do with the context of this conversation anymore.

Attempting to grasp at straws for you - Of course Russia is accountable for the invasion of Ukraine. Whether a few decades (or 75 years, as I prior stated in my last example) will make a difference between those two countries depends on how the geopolitical landscape shapes up to be in the future. Especially because there are a lot of Russian roots in Ukraine, and historically it's complicated from the start.

Either way, your attempted straw-manning here isn't quite working.

 

[Shaitan]

Caste system as you know it is not Indian. India had varna system which was not birth based. And anyone can change their varna if they wish to do so. Islamic and British invaders corrupted it and utilized as a fault line to further their agenda.

A westerner blaming others of racism is rather funny and very hypocritical. You cannot see all the hate comment posted here against India and Indians but my comment triggered your supremacist ego.

Definitely not a Westerner. I live in Eastern Europe. So the argument is moot. Never benefited from any British/German/Austrian/French etc colonization. On the contrary, we were at the RECEIVING end of the stick throughout history, believe me, from most of the neighbors. Despite that, if my country looks like a pig stye, it's OUR fault, not the West's. Maybe consider that.
Also, I don't remember any British officers in India during the past 75 years. Nor should they build some sewage systems or clean your cities. The first step in fixing your stuff is admitting you have an issue. Which you do. Your country is absolutely disgusting when it comes to pollution and hygiene. Don't get triggered by my statement, take a look around.

 

[Xanthus]

Not trolling, and inferring colonization of an entire nation as 'no biggie' was your conclusion, not mine.


You clearly didn't read (or correctly comprehend) my statement. If you scroll up, I stated, "I don't blame current Germany for the atrocities they committed in WW2 to my descendants." You must have missed reading the words 'current Germany' in there.


Your logic is going off on a tangent that doesn't have anything to do with the context of this conversation anymore.

Attempting to grasp at straws for you - Of course Russia is accountable for the invasion of Ukraine. Whether a few decades (or 75 years, as I prior stated in my last example) will make a difference between those two countries depends on how the geopolitical landscape shapes up to be in the future. Especially because there are a lot of Russian roots in Ukraine, and historically it's complicated from the start.

Either way, your attempted straw-manning here isn't quite working.

Your attempt to shift the blame away from yourself is not amusing.

You implied that since you hold no grudges against current Germany for WW (both lasted for around 4 years) people of another nation should not blame GB for over a century of colonization and the subsequent geopolitical complexities that arose because of it. You don’t get to decide how others feel for how they have been treated. That’s your first mistake.

When confronted with current situations (A nation invading another) you suddenly change your tone. Now you talk of Geopolitical Landscapes which you conveniently ignored in your original statement. Just to give you an idea, India has friendlier relations with UK than with Pak. Implying Indians blame UK for everything is your second mistake.

If you are going to willfully ignore geopolitical complexities in one case and bring it up in another, be prepared to be called on it.

You have corrected your stance regarding China, so no need to comment on that.

Edit: Spelling and grammar.

 

[thehacker]

Definitely not a Westerner. I live in Eastern Europe. So the argument is moot. Never benefited from any British/German/Austrian/French etc colonization. On the contrary, we were at the RECEIVING end of the stick throughout history, believe me, from most of the neighbors. Despite that, if my country looks like a pig stye, it's OUR fault, not the West's. Maybe consider that.
Also, I don't remember any British officers in India during the past 75 years. Nor should they build some sewage systems or clean your cities. The first step in fixing your stuff is admitting you have an issue. Which you do. Your country is absolutely disgusting when it comes to pollution and hygiene. Don't get triggered by my statement, take a look around.

Your entire argument is about India not being clean. I believe your perception about filth and pollution in India is primarily on the basis of what you have seen in television or media/online. At the ground it is not that bad but certainly needs a lot of improvement I agree. Mainly the urban areas, rural areas are very clean in most parts of India. It is nowhere as good looking as many other countries and I agree that India needs to improve that asap. However, that good look not only depends on the hygein but also on how well the infrastructure is being maintained. And for maintaing it, money is needed. And when such a large population is fighting day and night to earn their bread, painting and cleaning their walls so that the entire neighbourhood looks beautiful is the last thing on their minds. Similarly governments also focus on feeding the population (and then corruption) rather than maintaining the public infrastructure properly. And from where this kind of poverty came from - current population burst, corrupt governments and colonization. Hence my argument that calling Indians dirty/filthy by nature is a wrong way of seeing things. Give me a single example where such a large percentage of population is poor but still the country is squeaky clean and beautiful. Even China and other south Asian countries have areas which are as bad as, if not worse, than Indian slums.

There weren't British officers in India but the strings were still being pulled from there(or other countries) even many years after independence. You might not know that the current oppsition party(Indian National Congress) was working hand in glove with other countries back then keeping India's interests aside so that they can remain in power. It is not some conspiracy theory that was floated by the current govt that I am referring to, there are well-documented substantial proof for the same.

 

[Hexic]

Your attempt to shift the blame away from yourself is not amusing.

You implied that since you hold no grudges against current Germany for WW (both lasted for around 4 years) people of another nation should not blame GB for over a century of colonization and the subsequent geopolitical complexities that arose because of it. You don’t get to decide how others feel for how they have been treated. That’s your first mistake.

When confronted with current situations (A nation invading another) you suddenly change your tone. Now you talk of Geopolitical Landscapes which you conveniently ignored in your original statement. Just to give you an idea, India has friendlier relations with UK than with Pak. Implying Indians blame UK for everything is your second mistake.

If you are going to willfully ignore geopolitical complexities in one case and bring it up in another, be prepared to be called on it.

You have corrected your stance regarding China, so no need to comment on that.

Edit: Spelling and grammar.

It's no longer worth highlighting your logical fallacies, cherry picking, and misinterpretation on your stance. You're bending statements, and still strawmanning others.

One doesn't even have to prove their own point, they just need to logically pick apart yours.

 

[Xanthus]

It's no longer worth highlighting your logical fallacies, cherry picking, and misinterpretation on your stance. You're bending statements, and still strawmanning others.

One doesn't even have to prove their own point, they just need to logically pick apart yours.

You have perfectly described what you yourself have been doing all along.

When presented with counter arguments to your own, you give a typical excuse of person unwilling to admit that they were wrong.

Here is your own quote slightly modified: How long do you plan on blaming others for your own mistakes?