Instagram boss says it's not secretly using your phone's microphone to record you - here's why you still believe it

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A hot potato: Many people's long-held belief that internet companies, especially Facebook/Meta, secretly record conversations to serve targeted ads is once again in the spotlight. Adam Mosseri, head of Instagram, has reiterated that this conspiracy theory is not true and explained why people often see ads for something they recently talked about.

The belief that smartphones surreptitiously listen to our spoken conversations to serve us targeted ads has been around almost as long as modern handsets; most people have experienced seeing an ad on social media for something they were recently talking about.

This practice has long been denied by companies, of course. In a video posted to Instagram, Mosseri listed several reasons why people think they're being spied on.

The Instagram boss said that, in addition to being a gross invasion of privacy, such recordings would drain a phone's battery and activate the microphone light.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

A post shared by Adam Mosseri (@mosseri)

So, why do so many people believe it happens? Mosseri gave four possible reasons, the first being the most obvious: searching for the product or going on its website before the conversation takes place and simply forgetting about it.

Mosseri notes that advertisers share information with social media platforms about who visited their sites, so these people can be targeted with ads. "So if you were looking at a product on a website, then that advertiser might have paid us to reach you with an ad."

Meta also shows ads based not only on what people are interested in, but also on what their friends and similar people are interested in, meaning there's a chance you'll be talking about something you were always going to see advertised.

There's also the chance that you might have seen the ad before the conversation and not realized it. "We scroll quickly, we scroll by ads quickly, and sometimes you internalize some of that, and that actually affects what you talk about later," Mosseri added.

And finally, it could just be a random coincidence, which does happen.

Mosseri acknowledged that some people will always believe they're being recorded. But given that Meta this week announced it will soon use your conversations with its AI assistant to serve personalized ads, it seems the company doesn't really need to resort to spy-like tactics.

Back in 2017, Facebook's then-president of ads, Rob Goldman, said the platform doesn't and has never used phone microphones to serve ads. CEO Mark Zuckerberg had to repeat the denial to Congress a year later, while he was answering questions about the Cambridge Analytica scandal and Russian election interference.

However, a 2023 pitch deck from Cox Media Group claimed its Active Listening program allowed targeting adverts based on the content of private conversations captured via microphones on smartphones, smart TVs, home assistants, and other devices. Some of the clients named in those materials included Google and Meta, though it never specified if they used the Active Listening tool. Cox later denied that it ever listened to users' conversations the way critics claimed, but Google still removed it as a partner.

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searching for the product or going on its website before the conversation takes place and simply forgetting about it.
This guy can just FO. That is the most insulting and ignorant statement. The article could end right there and just say this guy is full of it.

To be clear, I have wondered the same thing about apps listening to me. Do I think there is some super secrete conspiracy going on, no, but I have learned in my years to never trust anyone, especially corporations that will do anything to make a buck for the shareholders.
 
This is why I don't use apps, I do everything through Firefox. I get hounded all the time to download the YouTube or Facebook apps constantly and the even make the browser experience worse than the app experience to try to influence to download the app. I refuse to download apps if I can't control what access it has to my phone.

 
It's probably not that these companies are specifically spying on you, but your phone itself is, then they sell that data to social media. So they're not technically lying. It's seriously annoying when I've had conversations based on nothing my wife or I have searched for (before or after the conversation), then having them pop up in an ad shortly after.
 
It's probably not that these companies are specifically spying on you, but your phone itself is, then they sell that data to social media. So they're not technically lying. It's seriously annoying when I've had conversations based on nothing my wife or I have searched for (before or after the conversation), then having them pop up in an ad shortly after.
The problem with your theory is that this demonstrably happens with META apps. When you remove Facebook and instagram, the behavior stops.

So if the phone is doing the spying, why is it only spying on you when META apps are installed. Thats not how that works.
 
It's not just about Ads...It's about control...!

Instagram, Facebook and Whatsapp are all NSA fronts... That's why I am not subscribe to any of them...!
 
The problem with your theory is that this demonstrably happens with META apps. When you remove Facebook and instagram, the behavior stops.

So if the phone is doing the spying, why is it only spying on you when META apps are installed. Thats not how that works.
I've had ads triggered in Reddit. While I have META apps installed, I do not use them.
 
This is why I don't use apps, I do everything through Firefox. I get hounded all the time to download the YouTube or Facebook apps constantly and the even make the browser experience worse than the app experience to try to influence to download the app. I refuse to download apps if I can't control what access it has to my phone.
A combination of ublock origin, privacy badger and the user agent switcher, with the latter enabled but on default omits most of the "install the app" nagging
 
Nobody believes them. You can open Facebook, talk about some random subject in the room, and watch ads for that subject appear over the next few days. This does not occur if you do not have META apps installed.

What can we conclude from this?
Yep this is just PR to try dampen blowback.
 
This is absolute bs.

Just the other day I was talking with my wife about house fires starting due to uncleaned bathroom fan vents and we got into a debate about the merrit of it (as we are replacing our fans).

The very next day, im being served articles about bathroom fans staring house fires on Yahoo out of all places. Ive never once searched for it or put any entry into the internet about this topic.

We talk about camping, never googled anything about camping, hey honey, maybe we can go camping and up our hiking game. The next thing I know, Facebook is advertising me tents and cabins in the woods.

We all have experienced this nonsense for long enough to know this guy is full of balooney.

I used to be a "knock it off they cant do that" kind of guy but since have learned I was wrong and its def happening. Too many coincidences.
 
Anyone with a FUNCTIONING 2 neurons would know what ever this instagram dip$**** said about "we cant, it will do this, that" is BS in the face of Snowden's 2013 files.
 
He is an absolute liar. However, it is just my partner's iPhone that does it... not my android. I am a hawk when it comes to disabling as much as I can (first and foremost any assistants or now AI features). I also don't have any social media apps (not even Reddit, since they started forcing the in-app browser). She doesn't really do that, and we chuckle every time we see an ad about something we've talked about (usually within a few hours of the conversation).

What I don't understand is why someone hasn't been able to irrefutably prove it. APKs can be reverse engineered in most cases (even with obfuscation and debugging guards in place). Someone with the technical know-how should be able to do it, and one person with proof is all we'd need to blow the lid off the lies.

It really makes me wish the Founding Fathers included "privacy" as an unalienable human right. Not that our government for the last hundred or so years would respect that. They're too busy chipping away at those rights to worry about something silly like constitutional rights.
 
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