Intel Core i7-8700K Review: The New Gaming King

Pretty much what I wanted to see from this CPU. Competition FTW!
Now it's time for AMD to respond with Zen+ (and maybe a few small price cuts for Zen by the end of the year) and then Intel to respond with Cannon Lake and then AMD with Zen2 and then Intel with Ice Lake, etc ---> this is what the PC CPU market was missing!
 
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In the end, lets not forget that everything we see from Intel now is because AMD forced them to do so, with Ryzen lineup. I think AMD is worth the credit and the money, since now their products are not inferior from a performance/consumption standpoint compared to competition anymore.
Interesting logic since Intel's dominance forced AMD to finally release a product that cannot compete in performance with ST and gaming only on MT and price.

The above sentence is not my opinion but merely an attempt to show that rationalizing like yours really solves anything and means nothing.
The 8700k wasn't forced and I really think Intel would have released it anyway (albeit much later, not now).
But for the i5 and i3 lineup, AMD's influence can clearly be seen (and most likely be felt too once we have benchmarks). Intel really needs to deliver in that price range since they can't only just stay with the i7 8700k doing well.
 
I'm checking the prices in local stores and 8600k is 40% more expensive than 8400. Despite on 8400 beats 8700k on stock clock level according some reviewers and the bottom line of overclocking Coffe Lake is not so clear.
ps Looking for a replacement of my Q6600 that serves me on 3Ghz 9+ years already. :D

TPU reviewed the 8700k, 8600k, and 8400. Just a little nugget I dug out of the 8400 review.

For gaming, things are different. Here, the i5-8400 breezes past all AMD Ryzens thanks to its high per-thread performance and the boost clock of 4.0 GHz. I find it surprising that there is very little difference between the i5-8400, i5-8600K, and i7-8700K in gaming, even at the highly CPU-limited scenario of 720p. This suggests that today's games see limited gains from more than four cores. It is good news for gamers on a budget because a Core i5-8400 will be completely sufficient to not bottleneck even the fastest graphics cards.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8400/19.html
Yes, 8400 looks very attractive and as the real game king.
 
TBH thermal performance seems pretty mediocre for a 90/100 graded chip. I'll probably get it anyway, but saying that the CPU can run 5.2GHz reliably, when it hits 97C with decent AIO cooling seems like an exaggeration. I'll have to grab a new cooler soon :(.
 
Those of you saying the 6700k and 7700k could match up with its performance simply by raising the clock speed. That argument is moot since the 8700k can be just as easily overclocked.

But it doesn't look like it can be overclocked any further than Kaby Lake can, as both can be OC'd at about the same rate to 5.0 or 5.1GHz.

Would be really nice if someone did some side-by-side testing where both the i7-7700K & i7-8700K were OC'd to the same frequency, so you could actually see if those extra cores actually did provide an actual +50% in performance...oh wait, someone (Toms' Hardware) already did:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-coffee-lake-i7-8700k-cpu,5252.html

When they did their testing (especially for the games), they not only tested both CPUs at stock speeds but also OC'd both systems to 4.9GHz. They also gave a supposedly glowing review of Coffee Lake...but I found the results very interesting, as those extra 2 cores provided:
-- only a 7.0% improvement in average FPS, & a 3.125% drop in minimum FPS in Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation
-- only 3.1% improvement in average FPS, & only a 5.3% improvement in minimum FPS in Civilization VI (along with only a 1.5% reduction in AI turn time)
-- only 0.4% improvement in average FPS, but no improvement in minimum FPS in Battlefield 1
-- only a 3.1% improvement in average FPS, but a surprising 23.4% improvement in minimum FPS, for Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War III
-- 13% improvement in average FPS, & 19.1% improvement in minimum FPS for GTA V
-- only a 2.1 improvement in average FPS, & a whopping 0.3% improvement in minimum FPS for Hitman (sorry, forgot the sarcasm tag there)
-- a 3.5% drop in average FPS, & a 2.5% drop in minimum FPS for Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor
-- a mere 0.5% increase in average FPS, & a 3.8% increase in minimum FPS for Project CARS
-- a 0.9% drop in average FPS, & a 1.1% drop in minimum FPS for Far Cry Primal
-- a 0.4% increase in average FPS, & a 0.9% increase in minimum FPS for Rise of the Tomb Raider

If you're keeping track, that was 9 games tested where an OC'd i7-8700K faced off against an OC'd i7-7700K at the same clock speeds...& of those 9 tests, only 7 of the 9 showed Coffee Lake pulling ahead of Kaby Lake, & of those 7 only 2 showed improvements above 10% (& 1 of those only qualified in the minimum FPS department).

That tells me a couple of things:

1. Just as Intel advocates have been telling us for years now, PC games are still primarily optimized for 4-8 cores/threads. So the extra 2 cores/4 threads that Coffee Lake is bringing to the table don't really provide a whole lot of actual improvement in game performance.
2. If you have a Kaby Lake (or even a Skylake) system, you have zero financial incentive to "upgrade" to Coffee Lake, especially if you can overclock your current system. Paying $500-600USD for a measly extra 3-5% in-game performance, when you most likely spent that much within the past year or so on the Skylake/Kaby Lake system, sounds like a real waste of your money. Especially since that's the kind of price that a good GPU upgrade provides you -- like, say, replacing a GTX 1060 with a GTX 1070 to go up to a 1080p/144Hz monitor (or to a 1440p/60-75Hz monitor), where you're going to see a consistent 25% or better improvement in performance...or especially if you can snag a GTX 1080 for that price & get even better performance out of the system.
3. For those that have bought Ryzen-based systems, or are considering the switch to a Ryzen system, it seems like the price comparisons are still about the same as they were before. The only difference is that, instead of comparing a Ryzen build against the "I'll buy it if money is no object" i7-7700K system, it's now going to be an i7-8700K "money is no object" system. Not because Ryzen has magically gained performance...but because Coffee Lake only offers a slight improvement in gaming performance for the same (or slightly higher) price than the prior Kaby Lake systems did.
 
Okay review. But I won't really be worried about excel with this cpu and I think it's not meant for office use.

I guess more info doesn't really hurt also.
 
I'm waiting to see the max overclock for ALL of the cores. Intel is back into the GHz game but with only one stinking core. For distributed computing, I need ALL of the cores running as fast as possible. With my 4770K I'm able to run all 4 cores at 4.2GHz at ~55-60°C (air) with no throttling.
 
"Moving on from gaming, how does Intel's new series handle productivity?
Well, the Core i7-8700K has the Ryzen 7 1800X beat and it almost wasn't even a contest."

Umm... what? Look at the graphs. The 1800X wins almost every time over the i7-8700K... Did I miss something?
 
I'm waiting to see the max overclock for ALL of the cores. Intel is back into the GHz game but with only one stinking core. For distributed computing, I need ALL of the cores running as fast as possible. With my 4770K I'm able to run all 4 cores at 4.2GHz at ~55-60°C (air) with no throttling.

Well, as I pointed out in my prior post, Tom's Hardware was able to get their i7-8700K up to 5.0 & 5.1 GHz in their overclocking tests, but for their comparisons they kept it at 4.9GHz (limit on Kaby Lake, I believe).

For comparison, they determined that the "all cores up" max Turbo for the 8700K (non-OCd) is 4.3GHz; with 4 active cores, its 4.4GHz speed matches the 7700K's max Turbo for its 4 cores.

And no... unless you're running a lot of Monte Carlo simulations (especially the quantum versions), you don't need this CPU to run Excel, Word, Outlook, any other MS Office program, or any office productivity suite. Even a simple 2C/4T Pentium G4560 (given enough RAM) is more than sufficient to run those programs.
 
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That tells me a couple of things:

1. Just as Intel advocates have been telling us for years now, PC games are still primarily optimized for 4-8 cores/threads. So the extra 2 cores/4 threads that Coffee Lake is bringing to the table don't really provide a whole lot of actual improvement in game performance.
2. If you have a Kaby Lake (or even a Skylake) system, you have zero financial incentive to "upgrade" to Coffee Lake, especially if you can overclock your current system. Paying $500-600USD for a measly extra 3-5% in-game performance, when you most likely spent that much within the past year or so on the Skylake/Kaby Lake system, sounds like a real waste of your money. Especially since that's the kind of price that a good GPU upgrade provides you -- like, say, replacing a GTX 1060 with a GTX 1070 to go up to a 1080p/144Hz monitor (or to a 1440p/60-75Hz monitor), where you're going to see a consistent 25% or better improvement in performance...or especially if you can snag a GTX 1080 for that price & get even better performance out of the system.
3. For those that have bought Ryzen-based systems, or are considering the switch to a Ryzen system, it seems like the price comparisons are still about the same as they were before. The only difference is that, instead of comparing a Ryzen build against the "I'll buy it if money is no object" i7-7700K system, it's now going to be an i7-8700K "money is no object" system. Not because Ryzen has magically gained performance...but because Coffee Lake only offers a slight improvement in gaming performance for the same (or slightly higher) price than the prior Kaby Lake systems did.


1) They dont bring much more performance in games now, but they are more future-proof for intel buyers.

2) True. It (Coffee Lake) makes sense in new pc builds.

3) I think same. R5 1600 is sweet spot for most builds. We will see if those i5s can change that.
 
3. For those that have bought Ryzen-based systems, or are considering the switch to a Ryzen system, it seems like the price comparisons are still about the same as they were before. The only difference is that, instead of comparing a Ryzen build against the "I'll buy it if money is no object" i7-7700K system, it's now going to be an i7-8700K "money is no object" system. Not because Ryzen has magically gained performance...but because Coffee Lake only offers a slight improvement in gaming performance for the same (or slightly higher) price than the prior Kaby Lake systems did.

i5-8400 is cheaper even than R1600 and faster in gaming. And you don't need to look for a special memory to maximize the performance of Ryzen. The best advantage is that 8400 will work on the most affordable motherboard if that can feat all your needs. Intel had a big hole in ship done by R1600(-X) and that hole looks patched well enough. Until a next price down of Ryzen sure.

And no... unless you're running a lot of Monte Carlo simulations (especially the quantum versions), you don't need this CPU to run Excel, Word, Outlook, any other MS Office program, or any office productivity suite. Even a simple 2C/4T Pentium G4560 (given enough RAM) is more than sufficient to run those programs.
We have i5-4590 in office computers. And yes it's not enough if you don't spend time reading Facebook only. For accounting making reports in Excel plus PowerPivot with cascading calculation it is a slowpoke. For people working with web application in browsers with 15-20 tabs open in two-three browsers it is not fast a lot. Also people are using corporate application and many other thing. You see the office work through meaningless tests in internet and opening and closing Word but for hard pressure work environments this is not true.
 
Great review and this basisically sums up my position right now "I still feel that the majority of gamers will be better served by the R5 1600, but before you take my full word we have to check out the Coffee Lake Core i5 range first (soon!)." :)
 
Say what you want, Intel will always be the king. And about the price, Ryzen 1700 was $350 on the release, so please shhhhhhhhh. Price for 6 core 4.5-4.7Ghz CPU is just bonkers, you can't get better than this. I expected and I would buy it even if it costed above $400.
 
Only thing I can think of, you need 7th or 8th gen Intel for HDR content and UHD, something about SGX extensions and HDCP 2.2. I don't know about AMD requirements.
 
"Moving on from gaming, how does Intel's new series handle productivity?
Well, the Core i7-8700K has the Ryzen 7 1800X beat and it almost wasn't even a contest."

Umm... what? Look at the graphs. The 1800X wins almost every time over the i7-8700K... Did I miss something?

My thoughts exactly when I read the conclusion. The 8700k does well in the single thread benchmarks but in the majority of the real world productivity applications the 1800x won by some margin. More memory bandwidth throughput, higher FPS on encodes, less seconds to render... It's almost like they expected people to skip the review, read the conclusion and buy Intel. The graphs and the conclusion just don't tally.
 
"Moving on from gaming, how does Intel's new series handle productivity?
Well, the Core i7-8700K has the Ryzen 7 1800X beat and it almost wasn't even a contest."

Umm... what? Look at the graphs. The 1800X wins almost every time over the i7-8700K... Did I miss something?

My thoughts exactly when I read the conclusion. The 8700k does well in the single thread benchmarks but in the majority of the real world productivity applications the 1800x won by some margin. More memory bandwidth throughput, higher FPS on encodes, less seconds to render... It's almost like they expected people to skip the review, read the conclusion and buy Intel. The graphs and the conclusion just don't tally.

I guess you'd have to ignore the price vs. performance graphs to draw that conclusion. Of course the 1800X instantly went on sale for $400 US after the 8700K was released.
 
Were the gaming bechmarks for Ryzen 1800x done again fresh or were they reused from previous testing? I ask because the Ryzen series has seen fantastic updates in optimization through all sides. Game Patches, Motherboard firmware, driver updates, even microsoft scheduler. They've all improved Ryzen scores decently since launch. So using launch scores wouldn't be accurate now.
 
I would've loved to see a more detailed look at gaming with resolutions 1440p and 4K. I have a 1080Ti FTW3 and a 7700K (which I 'upgraded' to from a 5820k) because most games at the moment do not take advantage of more than 4 cores. In fact, in the handful of games I play, my 7700K quad core blows the doors off of what my 5820k was able to do. And even in the tests you mentioned in the gaming section the 7700K wins most of the time. Isn't the base clock on a 7700K 4.2ghz? And it's 3.7 on this new 8700K? Just doesn't seem like much of an upgrade unless I'm missing something. I think I'm years away from being interested in another CPU. Seems like 7700K is still the best overall for gaming unless I'm missing something. Now video editing and other tasks I'm sure the 8700 is marginally better.
 
It looks like it is what it generally needed to be; a slightly faster (or, at least, mostly equal) 7700k with 6 cores instead of 4. Sure, Ryzen's still going to beat it out in workstation tasks and it's not tremendously better than the 8700k in games. But for people who were in the position of "man, I want a 7700k for gaming but the multithreaded performance is so much worse than Ryzen", the 8700k represents a HUGE improvement and makes the 8700k an easy sell. It's still not as good as Ryzen for multithreaded stuff, but it doesn't need to be - it just needed to make the gap much smaller, which it has.

This is pretty much what I've been waiting for. I've been using an i5-4670k for about 3-ish years now, and this gives me a chance to upgrade to something that doesn't feel like a compromise leaning too hard on gaming/workstation applications.
 
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I would've loved to see a more detailed look at gaming with resolutions 1440p and 4K. I have a 1080Ti FTW3 and a 7700K (which I 'upgraded' to from a 5820k) because most games at the moment do not take advantage of more than 4 cores. In fact, in the handful of games I play, my 7700K quad core blows the doors off of what my 5820k was able to do. And even in the tests you mentioned in the gaming section the 7700K wins most of the time. Isn't the base clock on a 7700K 4.2ghz? And it's 3.7 on this new 8700K? Just doesn't seem like much of an upgrade unless I'm missing something. I think I'm years away from being interested in another CPU. Seems like 7700K is still the best overall for gaming unless I'm missing something. Now video editing and other tasks I'm sure the 8700 is marginally better.

All of these high end benchmarks are useless and the conclusions don't make much sense. As has been pointed out, 4k is GPU bound. But who is going to buy a $300+ CPU to do 1080p gaming? Even at high refresh (say, 165hz) you're going to have no problem reaching that with the lower end chips. Investing in a high end CPU (at least at the cost of a GPU) is a terrible idea.

Apart from 1080p gaming, the intel are still overpriced compared to Ryzen.

This Techspot review just doesn't make much sense. The conclusion is pointless. See Anandtech's review for a better analysis. I love Techspot for their more inventive reviews (some they've linked in this article!) but their 'me too' high end benchmarks are never well done and/or have overly broad conclusions.
 
All of these high end benchmarks are useless and the conclusions don't make much sense. As has been pointed out, 4k is GPU bound. But who is going to buy a $300+ CPU to do 1080p gaming? Even at high refresh (say, 165hz) you're going to have no problem reaching that with the lower end chips. Investing in a high end CPU (at least at the cost of a GPU) is a terrible idea.

Apart from 1080p gaming, the intel are still overpriced compared to Ryzen.

This Techspot review just doesn't make much sense. The conclusion is pointless. See Anandtech's review for a better analysis. I love Techspot for their more inventive reviews (some they've linked in this article!) but their 'me too' high end benchmarks are never well done and/or have overly broad conclusions.

I read Anandtech's conclusion, they didn't really touch on gaming so I'm not sure what you liked more about their conclusion. It also seems like you didn't fully read our review, or maybe for some reason you didn't understand what we were saying. I also think you are out of touch with what it is high-end gamers are after.

Serious gamers aren't at 4K, they're gaming at 1440p on 144Hz displays. If you look at the BF1 results the 8700K is clearly faster for those seeking maximum frame rates, are you disputing this?

We then went on to say Ryzen still presents as the best value option when saying "...compared to the $215 Ryzen 5 1600 for example, it's not a great value, though you do get what you pay for."

It just sounds like your an AMD fan and you wanted us to say the 8700K sucks, buy Ryzen. Rather we tried to cover all bases and look at these CPUs from multiple angles, something you clearly didn't appreciate ;)
 
I read Anandtech's conclusion, they didn't really touch on gaming so I'm not sure what you liked more about their conclusion. It also seems like you didn't fully read our review, or maybe for some reason you didn't understand what we were saying. I also think you are out of touch with what it is high-end gamers are after.

Serious gamers aren't at 4K, they're gaming at 1440p on 144Hz displays. If you look at the BF1 results the 8700K is clearly faster for those seeking maximum frame rates, are you disputing this?

We then went on to say Ryzen still presents as the best value option when saying "...compared to the $215 Ryzen 5 1600 for example, it's not a great value, though you do get what you pay for."

It just sounds like your an AMD fan and you wanted us to say the 8700K sucks, buy Ryzen. Rather we tried to cover all bases and look at these CPUs from multiple angles, something you clearly didn't appreciate ;)

I liked that they didn't make unsupported conclusions. They really didn't make conclusions (other than the value of high end CPU's has significantly improved). Techspot (you) offered no benchmarks at 1440p. Specifically, you offered no benchmarks for BF1 at 1440p. Are you disputing this?

How can you make conclusions about 1440p without benchmarks? It's reckless speculation for a site trying to give impartial reviews. If you wished to show a linear change in frames, prove it. Otherwise readers will not know when the bottleneck really happens (and where they should start investing more in GPU).

I liked your comment about the 1600. That comment and the end line from Anand were the two I gave to my wife when summarizing the new Intel lineup. [I've also liked how strongly your site has come out against prior high-end AMD chips].

I think you may be jumping to conclusions here (which I don't blame you considering how partisan these boards can be). My last build was a Core i5-3750k. Current build is a Ryzen 1700. I've ran both ATI/AMD and Nvidia cards throughout my building. Right now I'm running a Geforce 1070. My laptop is an Acer Helios 300 (Intel i7 + Geforce 1060). I run an AOC Agon 165hz gsync IPS monitor. I think I'm going to get the new i3 for a side build (I need to read see more benchmarks and compare it against entry level Ryzens). Pretty weird lineup for a fanboy?

Don't take my criticism too personal. You guys are okay at new releases. Just not compared to more comprehensive sites (Anand being the top one out there IMO). I also really dislike it when Techspot labels a something as a 'review' when it's just an aggregation of other site's reviews. Some of your stuff is excellent -- especially the retro stuff and everything aimed at esports (too many sites only focus on high end products when almost everyone is using mainstream stuff).
 
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