Intel is prototyping PCIe 4.0 SSDs, but needs AMD CPUs to test them

[Jack324]

Here is a thing. Intel for few month probably have working CPUs with PCI-E 4.0 that are in validation tests, but even without them you know there are boards with FPGAs that are made specifically to test new standards like new interconnects. that how PCI-E 4.0 devices are being tested without having specific capable CPUs for them.

But testing against an FPGA doesn't guarantee that it will work correctly or as expected in an actual Mobo with and actual CPU.

 

[Skjorn]

So many people claiming Intel has PCIe4 capable CPUs to test 4.0 drives on are forgetting that those CPUs are lab and engineering samples that themselves are undergoing tests. You don't test an unfinished part on another unfinished part for validation. You have to test unfinished parts against finished unchanging parts or else the test is invalid.

You work at Intel? No? So you don't really know? Alright.

 

[cfbcfbcfb]

LOL. Intel has cpu's AND mobos that do PCIE4. And while folks think its funny that Intel just brought back a 22nm Haswell, AMD has never stopped selling 28nm excavator cores. Their 9120c and 9220c among others, for example, are sold in the new Lenovo 14e and 14w.

 

[DeepShadow]

I wonder what a brainless ***** have fabricated such BS? It's common practices, that companies have prototypes of future products up to 1.5-2years before the start of selling. Moreover, Intel demoed PCIe 5.0 products. Who's equipment Intel should purchase to test, while there is NO PCIe 5.0 commercial products? The whole idea of "necessity to purchase of AMD products" is pure ignorance and stupidity. It can be logical if Intel not work on processors and MoBos at all. But it works. And there is no sense to purchase rival's equip if you already have working prototypes of own equipment. Shame on you for a such idiocy.

 

[cfbcfbcfb]

I wonder what a brainless ***** have fabricated such BS? It's common practices, that companies have prototypes of future products up to 1.5-2years before the start of selling. Moreover, Intel demoed PCIe 5.0 products. Who's equipment Intel should purchase to test, while there is NO PCIe 5.0 commercial products? The whole idea of "necessity to purchase of AMD products" is pure ignorance and stupidity. It can be logical if Intel not work on processors and MoBos at all. But it works. And there is no sense to purchase rival's equip if you already have working prototypes of own equipment. Shame on you for a such idiocy.

You'd love the comments about the article on Reddit. Basically "Well, either the guy who wrote it was incompetent or a liar, looking for clicks".

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ekdq1i

 

[godrilla]

Imagine a world where Intel makes a product so that consumers have to purchase a competitor CPU and chipset for compatibility. Some parallel universe type ish.

 

[godrilla]

Give me a break. AMD has been using Intel CPU's to test their GPU's, and NVIDIA GPU's to test their CPU's for YEARS on the same generation of PCIe.

Where are AMD's PCIe 4.0 storage drives? Hmm?

Actually
2 terabyte graphics card
Radeon Pro SSG Graphic Card AMD 100-506014 https://g.co/kgs/cAkztb
this technology is likely in next gen Xbox

and this was likely a rebrand of another vendor
sata 6 ssd

https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...2ahUKEwiO7NTK8O3mAhUiTt8KHfrKApUQ-K4BegQICxBL

 

[JayNor]

Intel shipped fpgas with pcie4 already.

https://www.computerworld.com/artic...-and-optane-support-partners-with-vmware.html

 

[moon982]

So that me see Steve Ballmer made a flop with windows smartphone and windows 8 and no tablet and they remove him.

Intel is stuck on 14nm from 2014 to now and still no desktop 10nm and all other CPU makers are at 7nm !! And Intel only has 2 cores and 4 cores for consumers to AMD ryzen came out in 2017 that is 17 years only 2 cores and 4 cores for consumers.

Now Intel has SSD for PCI 4 and no CPU that will support it!!!

Yet he is still in charge but Steve Ballmer got removed.

I love capitalism shareholders and board of directors well the CEO is Kim Jong-un that can do any thing.

 

[DaveBG]

Give me a break. AMD has been using Intel CPU's to test their GPU's, and NVIDIA GPU's to test their CPU's for YEARS on the same generation of PCIe.

Where are AMD's PCIe 4.0 storage drives? Hmm?

Testing GPUs for compatibility is one thing , having no technology to test the PCIe 4.0 is another. Intel is now the underdog and everyone knows it at this point.
Also there is no real world difference between PCIe 3 and 4 NVME drives. In some cases even PCIe3 drives are faster still.

 

[theruck]

Nobody needs PCIe 4.0

 

[Fabbkk]

Nobody needs PCIe 4.0

Yep! and nobody needs more than single core CPU because single core score with high frequency matters ! and I will add that an APU is enough for anyone to play games, discrete GPU is worthless ?
Please ! Stop any tech evolution, it is worthless!

 

[yeeeeman]

If you're referring to the previously linked article about Ice Lake, then that's not quite the same as what Squid Surprise was suggesting. Given that Intel are a key member of the PCI Express Group, of course they're going to have products that support it; however, I'm not aware of any Intel products available now that do (naturally, happy to be shown otherwise).

The news article is about the fact that Intel is offering PCIe 4.0 Optane to developers for testing. Well unless they're also going to offer not-yet-launched hardware along with the Optane, said developers are going to need an AMD platform to test it on.

In other words, there's an apparent mild irony in the fact that Intel's Optane sector is seemingly more on the ball than their CPU department.

Their cpu department has issues with10nm. That we know. Is there a need to beat the bush on all the repercusions of not having 10nm ready or this artcivle is just a traffic generator one? I am guessing you don't wanna become a wccftech like site or if you do just state so I can know what sites to avoid in the future.

 

[JayNor]

According to this, Intel is shipping an FPGA that would presumably enable testing of pcie4. They also announced sampling of Ice Lake Server chips back in May, so at least some advance customers have Intel processors with pcie4 capability.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-stratix-10-dx-upi-cxl,40436.html

"The third new feature of Stratix 10 DX is non-coherent PCIe 4.0 x16 support. It is the first product that Intel has announced with such support. The interface is fully certified (PCI-SIG compliant), which Intel in not so many words said is unlike Xilinx’ Versal series."

 

[hahahanoobs]

Right here.

Corsair MP600 1TB on my current build.



There nothing wrong with this article at all.

Anything positive for AMD just brings out the fans boys in droves.

$200 CPU performing same as $500 C

Actually
2 terabyte graphics card
Radeon Pro SSG Graphic Card AMD 100-506014 https://g.co/kgs/cAkztb
this technology is likely in next gen Xbox

and this was likely a rebrand of another vendor
sata 6 ssd

https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...2ahUKEwiO7NTK8O3mAhUiTt8KHfrKApUQ-K4BegQICxBL

I didn't ask for graphics card did I? And that SSD probably lasted as long as their AMD branded memory....

 

[hahahanoobs]

Testing GPUs for compatibility is one thing , having no technology to test the PCIe 4.0 is another. Intel is now the underdog and everyone knows it at this point.
Also there is no real world difference between PCIe 3 and 4 NVME drives. In some cases even PCIe3 drives are faster still.

AMD was the underdog for over a decade. Followed by quitting entirely for 5 years. Wake me when Intel is even close to that. Not having PCIe 4 today is valid. Remember USB 3? Who had that first? AMD. When did it actually matter? When Intel finally got it. AMD doesn't lead the market. Intel does. By the time Intel has PCIe 4, drives will be cheap and in abundance.

No one cares about PCIe 4 graphics cards, and less than 1% couldn't care less about PCIe 4 SSD's.

 

[RobJoy]

Not sure what you guys are pissed about.
The title is ON POINT. There simply is no other fluff wording that would make it any more or less true.
Intel needs AMD production hardware to test and validate their SSD PCIe 4.0 hardware.
Just because it is AMD, does this rattle your feathers?

I am 100% sure you would not be overflowing with bile if it said some other company name, like Qualcom or Sony or whatever.

But since it is AMD, of hell noes. Intel fanboys come out of their hiding to shout some sarcastic remarks.

Gimme a break, will ya.

 

[Lionvibez]

$200 CPU performing same as $500 C

I'm not sure I understand your post.
You asked about what drives, I posted I'm using one currently.

No one cares about PCIe 4 graphics cards, and less than 1% couldn't care less about PCIe 4 SSD's.

Unless you have some numbers to back this up that is just your opinion.

 

[hahahanoobs]

I'm not sure I understand your post.
You asked about what drives, I posted I'm using one currently.



Unless you have some numbers to back this up that is just your opinion.

I don't see your numbers either....
It's common sense really. AM4 is new, so for PCIe SSD, you need platform upgrade. You need a need for 3GB/s+ storage. Supply issues. Can I buy AMD system via OEM? How many vendors? How many have a system I need? Is it in my price range? Is it better than my SATA SSD? Will I see the benefit right away?

AMD is not a household name. They don't have the market share. They don't drive the market. PCIe SSD's are overkill for 99% of consumers. Deal with it.

AMD has high core counts for cheap. Intel could have dropped their prices long ago, but they didn't, by choice. They weren't struggling like AMD has either. AMD isn't really doing anything special. They've always charged less for their stuff. Since they can't add any more cores to the Ryzen lineup, what's really going to show signs of longevity are their IPC and clock speed improvements going forward. AMD has always sucked at raising clock speeds in the past, so we'll see what happens.

If Zen 3 is awesome, I might buy it, but that doesn't mean I think AMD is in the clear. Not even close.

 

[Lionvibez]

I don't see your numbers either....
It's common sense really. AM4 is new, so for PCIe SSD, you need platform upgrade. You need a need for 3GB/s+ storage. Supply issues. Can I buy AMD system via OEM? How many vendors? How many have a system I need? Is it in my price range? Is it better than my SATA SSD? Will I see the benefit right away?

AMD is not a household name. They don't have the market share. They don't drive the market. PCIe SSD's are overkill for 99% of consumers. Deal with it.

AMD has high core counts for cheap. Intel could have dropped their prices long ago, but they didn't, by choice. They weren't struggling like AMD has either. AMD isn't really doing anything special. They've always charged less for their stuff. Since they can't add any more cores to the Ryzen lineup, what's really going to show signs of longevity are their IPC and clock speed improvements going forward. AMD has always sucked at raising clock speeds in the past, so we'll see what happens.

If Zen 3 is awesome, I might buy it, but that doesn't mean I think AMD is in the clear. Not even close.

You made the claim so produce the number to back your statement.

AM4 is not new the X570 chipset is.

The rest of your post is personal opinion full of the usual bias.

SSD's are overkill for 99% of consumers why dont we all go back to 5400 RPM drives because We are not meeting your use case for it. You don't know what everyone is doing on their PC's to make any of your claims valid as you can't speak for the whole market.

You seem to be the type that would be ok with no competition in the market at all, so we can be paying $500+ for Quad core cpu's. So intel can keep their profit margins high for the shareholders. While all of us are stuck paying high prices... but then again maybe you are an intel shareholder which would make sense.

All of those $2000 intel cpu's that are now going for $1000 are because of AMD.

There is a reason AMD's market share is growing.

As you said "Deal with it"

 

[GreenNova343]

Per Intel's official ARK pages, pulled up a comparison of their Ice Lake CPUs currently available:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...603,197119,197121,196588,197122,197123,196597

Note that for every single CPU, they are listed as being PCIe 3.0/ compliant. No mention of PCIe 4.0 whatsoever.

 

[SirStephen]

"Will they buy from AMD or stubbornly use them with PCIe 3.0 only?"

First off you're making it sound like they have to buy a significant amount of hardware when all they need is a few test rigs. Secondly, tech companies buy each other's equipment all the time. It's how they compare their own equipment, make sure it's compatible, and stay on top of what the competition is doing. AMD had been using Intel equipment to test it's GPUs for a while, partially to remove as much of the CPU bottleneck as possible (why Intel rigs are used by everyone to benchmark GPUs) and partially just to make sure that they're compatible. Intel has likely owned the equipment it needs for a while now especially considering that Intel couldn't have gotten this far without already testing the hardware. Hell, none of that really matters anyways because Intel already has PCIe 4.0 on some server CPUs in lab and there's known to be early mainstream PCIe 4.0 parts being tested.

 

[Irata]

By the time Intel has PCIe 4, drives will be cheap and in abundance.

And by that time, you can get one of those cheap PCIe 4 SSD and plug it into your AMD system that you got in 2019, even upgrade the CPU to a Ryzen 3 and get a GPU with PCIe 4 support when it matters.

Still remember the "Who needs PCIe, AGP is not even maxed" discussion a few years ago.

 

[godrilla]

Gigabyte was able to saturate x570 with their raid card though so there is that.

 

[JimboJoneson]

And by that time, you can get one of those cheap PCIe 4 SSD and plug it into your AMD system that you got in 2019, even upgrade the CPU to a Ryzen 3 and get a GPU with PCIe 4 support when it matters.

Still remember the "Who needs PCIe, AGP is not even maxed" discussion a few years ago.

People on Intel are used to ponying up for a new motherboard every time they buy a new component anyway so its no sweat off their back to have to do it again for PCIe 4.0. That's why they can't see any advantage to having it supported on motherboards now ... poor chaps.