And from what I've read intel won't be releasing anything PCIe 4 to the consumer market till late 2020 or Q1 2021.
So much for all the I'm going to Skip PCIe 4.0 because intel is going PCIe 5.0.......
Intel is prototyping PCIe 4.0 SSDs, but needs AMD CPUs to test them
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And from what I've read intel won't be releasing anything PCIe 4 to the consumer market till late 2020 or Q1 2021.
So much for all the I'm going to Skip PCIe 4.0 because intel is going PCIe 5.0.......
Validation doesn't mean unfinished but it means valadating aspects of the processor like microcode regulations and etc, the design is already finished and won't be changed drastically. But as I said before even without having PCI-E 4 capable CPU and motherboard, you have special boards with FPGAs that are designed to test new devices with new standards like PCI-E 4.0 I bet those boards exist almost since the PCI-E 4.0 was finalized back in 2017 or even before as I've seen some mention about testing devices and even network devices announced back at 2016 way before AMD even announced about zen 2.
You are wrong about it, the test boards are made specifically to test the physical and level and maybe firmware level of a device. this is thing about standard if both sides that connect adhere to it and are tested, they would work together on the lower level.
issues might be in some software and how OS and drivers interact with the hardware but those can be solved even afterwards.
Few companies released PCI-E 4.0 cards and storage devices before any hardware supported the standard and I'll bet they would work just fine because they were tested with those boards that are made to test devices.
Squid Surprise
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I again say CLICKBAIT! Regardless of the availability of PCIe to consumers, INTEL has access to plenty of motherboards that will use PCIe 4.0 (you DO know they test stuff years in advance, right?).
No one at Intel is frantically going out to a computer shop to buy an AMD board to test their new storage drives in...
No one at Intel is frantically going out to a computer shop to buy an AMD board to test their new storage drives in...
JimboJoneson
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Its clickbait, but its not because Intel has their own PCIe 4.0 motherboards - Noobs got it right with the first part of his first post in this thread - these company's do cross platform testing all the time - there's nothing odd or surprising about it.
I think it would be foolish to believe that Intel didn't have more than a few Threadrippers laying around that they've used for testing, examining, benchmarking, etc. In fact I think this came to light recently even.
AMD publicly acknowledged the use of Intel processors to test their GPUs before Ryzen, because bulldozer sucked so bad.
None of this is any secret.
cfbcfbcfb
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There were some preliminary benchmarks made using 5700 XT on a PCIe 3.0 and then on PCIe 4.0 with 0 difference delta.
So naturally, he is basing his opinion on that crude comparison.
PCIe 4.0 is more for 3080 ti sort of GPUs, or new Intel multi chiplet designs who will beneffit from it for sure.
Irata
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Not overusing all caps and "LOL" just makes a post more appealing imho.
Now, "a few years ago" can be different amounts of time depending on your age, so it's all relative.
The comparison still holds true and you see the same discussion almost every time when a new (better) standard is introduced - "who needs that, there's no immediate benefit...".
While this is often true when the new standard is introduced, a few years down the road the situation changes - sometimes faster, sometimes it takes longer.
As I like to re-use electronics as long as possible (will usually turn into hand downs) - which for me makes sense both from an economic as well as an environmental perspective - new standards are important if they allow me to upgrade a system a few years down the road. This does not mean trying to turn a seven year old PC into a high end gaming PC but could be installing a new GPU to support hw decoding of the latest codecs that the CPU cannot handle, faster storage...
Now on to B550. It appears that you have insider knowledge regarding B550.
Me, I am still waiting to see if B550 mainboards support the direct from CPU PCIe 4 lanes (16 for the GPU and four for storage) even if the chipset does not. This would be good enough for me (vs. going for a more expensive X570 solution)
Technically, there is no reason why the boards themselves could not support this, but we will see if there are marketing reasons (which would be a major disappointment).
Side note: I am a bit disappointed AMD did not release any news about B550. If they did I missed it.
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JimboJoneson
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You must have misread his post ... he clearly indicated that he already owns one, and it doesn't have PCIe 4.0. Why would someone lie about that?
I read a Chinese (translated) article dated today that suggested that the chipset itself will not support PCIe 4.0 but that the mother boards still will/can use the lanes from the CPU.
That was all I could find on the topic that sounded at least somewhat definitive.
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Irata
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Should have gotten that DeLorean....You must have misread his post ... he clearly indicated that he already owns one, and it doesn't have PCIe 4.0. Why would someone lie about that?
JimboJoneson
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Apparently, they come in handy.
That Dude There
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Intel is quickly becoming the bullied underdog.
Ravalo
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B550 motherboards are mostly B450 rebrands and are designed for OEM
btw I also have one
JimboJoneson
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One correction ... B550A motherboards are designed for OEM.
If PCIe 4.0 is needed, there's an option for that. Its not unusual for different chipsets on the same platform to offer different feature sets, so I'm not sure what the initial complaints are about (not from you - just in general). There's affordable x570 boards out now.
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godrilla
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You are correct I misread that
But hey look we still have AMD to thank for competition in storage
New Samsung 980 pro
Samsung Embraces PCIe 4.0 in Upcoming 980 PRO SSD
Rejoice, Ryzen 4000 CPU owners, Samsung has heard your cries.
if it was up to intel we would still be at pcie 3.0 and it it would be the usual Intel vs Samsung on top. Now intel has no choice but to compete.
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