gusticles41
Posts: 507 +604
That's not what's happening, though. Momentary spikes.
They need to figure out why before jumping to any action. Not just say a bunch of malarkey about overclocking.
Intel responds to i7-7700K high temperature issue, tells owners they shouldn't overclock...
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That's not what's happening, though. Momentary spikes.
They need to figure out why before jumping to any action. Not just say a bunch of malarkey about overclocking.
I'm mean that would explain the overheating problem. How are you to overclock with no heatsink, *****s....
Evernessince
Posts: 5,469 +6,160
Well if it is a sensor malfunction that it should be fixable via an update. If it isn't then they should be recalling these CPUs anyways because it can damage them.
gusticles41
Posts: 507 +604
True true. It doesn't sound like they've even determined what's causing the spikes. Just that it's part of the chip's behavior and overclocking is the devil.
vhfan
Posts: 47 +36
Intel's response is "PRICELESS" LOL.
The idiocy is just mind boggling .
The idiocy is just mind boggling .
namesrejected
Posts: 398 +302
IMOP Intel doesn't really want the PC market anymore, and things like this show it. There is more money with XEON, data centers, huge supercomputers, industrial, corporate yada yada. The PC is just a huge headache for them. They could probably cut their tech support in half, deal with less complaints, and make more money if they just cater to the likes of Google, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, NYSE, and so on.
It actually doesn't void the warranty if you buy the Intel overclocking warranty...it's only like $25 and they will literally send you a free processor if you fry yours from overclocking. ONLY ONCE however
vhfan
Posts: 47 +36
A one time only no questions asked replacement for around $25.00 huh , you know people will push their original as far as possible in that case trying to get the highest stable overclock without worries .
If I had to guess I would say more than a few would use that replacement option if they realized they had a very poor overclocker , do I think thats ethical , nope, but imo, morality, integrity & honesty have gone down the tubes in this day and age.
If I had to guess I would say more than a few would use that replacement option if they realized they had a very poor overclocker , do I think thats ethical , nope, but imo, morality, integrity & honesty have gone down the tubes in this day and age.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
As if you think it is twice the processor. That thought makes me laugh.
As if you think you know what you are laughing about. That alone makes me laugh.
cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
Keep on thinking I don't know.
seeprime
Posts: 945 +1,387
Some users with liquid cooling are reporting that their chips still get close to the maximum temperature. The issue is likely a manufacturing issue that results in some chips not running optimally. For $330, we need to get what we pay for.
captaincranky
Posts: 20,144 +9,151
Could you be more specific about what you think you paid for? In stricter terms, to how many Ghz do you feel you're entitled.
With everyone whining for more speed from their CPUs, the rated clock speed and the maximum overclock are simply getting closer together.
When the first "Core2Duo" processors were released, they were everybody's darlings. The E6300 was rated at something like 1.86 Ghz (?), and you could get near double that speed on many of those chips.
Fast forward to now, and the base clock of the 7700 is something like 4.1 Ghz (?) So, since anyone with a lick of sense must surely realize you.re not going to get 8.2 Ghz out of the chip, "how much overclock do you think you're entitled to", is a fair and quite pertinent question.
The laws of diminishing returns are in play here, both in CPU clock speed and process width. Much to your displeasure, and Intel's chagrin.
But Moore's "law" says........., spare me!
hyperspaced
Posts: 35 +11
It's like Ferrari saying "I'll sell you a car, but you cannot go over 60".
captaincranky
Posts: 20,144 +9,151
In one distorted context, maybe. In a normal, sane , and rational context, the Ferrari in this case, is already doing close to a buck fifty, and if you want it to crack the 200 MPH mark, Ferrari might void your warranty.
I agree that it's deceitful for Intel to sell you "unlocked" processors so close to their practical maximum speed. OTOH, it's fairly dumb to sit around and fantasize how fast you think it should be, whatever clock speed you believe you're entitled to, or how far you can clock yours, past what the kid down the street got from his.
hyperspaced
Posts: 35 +11
The context is this: Sell fast cars (=unlocked processors), but you cannot make them go fast, or the warranty will become null.
It's deceitful, period.
PS. The funniest of all is that their marketing dept. actually invokes how much 'the kid down the street' got from his processor, in order to make their pitch for the 'K' series
It's deceitful, period.
PS. The funniest of all is that their marketing dept. actually invokes how much 'the kid down the street' got from his processor, in order to make their pitch for the 'K' series
captaincranky
Posts: 20,144 +9,151
OK, listen up ladies, you can take this FWIW.
First off, I remain abundantly unconvinced that Kaby Lake, isn't anything much more than Skylake, with the multipliers jacked up, along with Intel, (and AMD), patronizing the turd who's running M$ into making it as hard as possible, (if not impossible), to install Windows 7.
Second, if that's the case, an i5 7600K is for all intents and purposes an i5 6600K with as I've said, a higher base clock.
I bought an i5-6600K with the thought in mind, it should be doable to clock it from 3.5 Ghz, to 4.1 Ghz, the stock frequency of the i5-7600K. It was on sale, for the same price as the Kaby Lake i5 7400. It's a much faster chip than the 7400, it just isn't this years model.
Intel, AMD, and M$, can stuff this new s***, up their bums. All of you that had to have the new line, are all whimpering, but I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my new build.
Granted there are a lot of things I simply don't need, or don't care about, DX-12 for example.
You have to realize, customers are having unrealistic, and grossly exaggerated expectations about the performance uptick from year to year. Clock speed is a prime example, and Intel is, in effect overclocking the CPUs for you. As I said before, it is deceitful for Intel to sell you chips which are already pushed to close to their limit. We've already had an review here at Techspot, telling you just how stupid it would be to buy the new "K" model i3.
Now, clock speeds won't go much higher until we get to 10nm process. But I strongly suspect Intel is having a lot more trouble than they are letting on, trying to fabricate at that width. I've heard the endless chatter about how Intel is "holding back" because they're making too much money. Well they are making a poop pile of money, but I still don't think 10nm is as easy as all of you who have no idea how it's done, and complaining about it in this forum, make it out to be.
Because if it was as easy as most of you make it out to be, AMD would be sporting a 10nm Ryzen line, and well, they simply aren't.
So all of you AMD fanbois, and Intel haters, do us, and yourselves a huge favor, and simply shut up, then buy AMD. I'm sure those $300.00 huge chunks you take out of Intel's multi billion dollar annual revenue will cripple the company, and they'll be begging you to come back, at least sometime in the next 100 years or so....
First off, I remain abundantly unconvinced that Kaby Lake, isn't anything much more than Skylake, with the multipliers jacked up, along with Intel, (and AMD), patronizing the turd who's running M$ into making it as hard as possible, (if not impossible), to install Windows 7.
Second, if that's the case, an i5 7600K is for all intents and purposes an i5 6600K with as I've said, a higher base clock.
I bought an i5-6600K with the thought in mind, it should be doable to clock it from 3.5 Ghz, to 4.1 Ghz, the stock frequency of the i5-7600K. It was on sale, for the same price as the Kaby Lake i5 7400. It's a much faster chip than the 7400, it just isn't this years model.
Intel, AMD, and M$, can stuff this new s***, up their bums. All of you that had to have the new line, are all whimpering, but I'm as happy as a pig in poop with my new build.
Granted there are a lot of things I simply don't need, or don't care about, DX-12 for example.
You have to realize, customers are having unrealistic, and grossly exaggerated expectations about the performance uptick from year to year. Clock speed is a prime example, and Intel is, in effect overclocking the CPUs for you. As I said before, it is deceitful for Intel to sell you chips which are already pushed to close to their limit. We've already had an review here at Techspot, telling you just how stupid it would be to buy the new "K" model i3.
Now, clock speeds won't go much higher until we get to 10nm process. But I strongly suspect Intel is having a lot more trouble than they are letting on, trying to fabricate at that width. I've heard the endless chatter about how Intel is "holding back" because they're making too much money. Well they are making a poop pile of money, but I still don't think 10nm is as easy as all of you who have no idea how it's done, and complaining about it in this forum, make it out to be.
Because if it was as easy as most of you make it out to be, AMD would be sporting a 10nm Ryzen line, and well, they simply aren't.
So all of you AMD fanbois, and Intel haters, do us, and yourselves a huge favor, and simply shut up, then buy AMD. I'm sure those $300.00 huge chunks you take out of Intel's multi billion dollar annual revenue will cripple the company, and they'll be begging you to come back, at least sometime in the next 100 years or so....
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captaincranky
Posts: 20,144 +9,151
Yes but, they already go fast
As a viewer of OTA Television, you don't have to explain to me how stupid advertisers think the buying public is. In fact, they bank on it, and sadly more often than not, they're 100% correct.PS. The funniest of all is that their marketing dept. actually invokes how much 'the kid down the street' got from his processor, in order to make their pitch for the 'K' series
Cycloid Torus
Posts: 4,892 +1,712
So - the answer for Intellers is to buy used 3 yr old top of the line unlocked CPU with liquid cooler and unlocked MB and OVERCLOCK THAT. Then brag about your 30% overclock all the way to the bank.
captaincranky
Posts: 20,144 +9,151
Well, I didn't wait until I had to buy used, but essentially yes, that was the plan. Follow the bouncing benchmarks here: https://www.techspot.com/review/1332-mainstream-intel-core-i3-vs-core-i5/
Though I'm not sure about the "bragging all the way to the bank" part of it. A more demure approach might be more effective. Something like the actress saying of her $10,000 designer dress, "this ratty old thing, why thank you".
bandit8623
Posts: 665 +400
Waaat! Amd drops support for chips way earlier than nvidia. No company is perfect. But I would buy nvidia right now over amd anyday.
Badvok
Posts: 386 +210
Err, you do realise that most supercars, including Ferraris, do actually have a speed limiter don't you? If you want to remove the limiter you void your warranty. The analogy is closer than I think you realise.
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