iPod lawsuit: Apple deleted songs downloaded from rival music services

Himanshu Arora

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In a new twist in the lawsuit that accuses Apple of resorting to unfair tactics to maintain its dominance in the digital music business, the court was informed that the company deleted songs that iPod users had downloaded from rival music services between 2007 and 2009, according to a Wall Street Journal report.

According to plaintiff attorney Patrick Coughlin, whenever users tried to sync their iPod to their iTunes library after downloading music from a competing service like Real Networks’ music store, they would receive an error message instructing them to restore the factory settings. In doing so, the music from rival services would disappear.

Apple directed the system “not to tell users the problem,” Coughlin said.

Defending the practice, Apple security director Augustin Farrugia said that presenting too much information to users would have confused them, something the company didn't want. He told the court that updates that deleted non-Apple music files were aimed at protecting users from hackers and malicious content.

Filed in 2005 by Thomas Slattery, the lawsuit alleges that Apple violated federal antitrust laws as well as California's unfair competition law by not allowing music purchased on the iTunes Music Store from being played on devices other than iPods, and by restricting iPods to play music purchased from other digital music services.

The trial is expected to see Apple marketing head Phil Schiller and iTunes chief Eddy Cue testify during the court proceedings this week, while portions of a video deposition of Steve Jobs are also expected to be played.

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Apple enthusiast's don't want to hear it but Apple is no different then every other dirtbag enterprise doing what they can to get ahead. And this didn't start the other day.
Behind the scenes companies are doing whatever they can to gain a step and no laws, legal jurisdictions, common sense, silent agreements or technological barriers will stop them.
It's messy.
When you breed greedy disrespectful spoiled kids, you get greedy disrespectful spoiled adults.
 
Oh so typical Steve Jobs! I would call myself an apple enthusiast but not when it comes to inappropriate business tactics. Apple can make a ton of money on it's innovations; there is no need to compromise their integrity with such garbage. I can only hope that Tim is on top of this and puts an end to it.
 
Yup. The blatant disrespect for their customers and dirty tactics were the 2 big reasons why I've never bought Apple anything to this day.
 
"Defending the practice, Apple security director Augustin Farrugia said that presenting too much information to users would have confused them".
He is so correct, We all know how easy it is to confuse iUsers so why compound the situation even further.
 
Yep! Exactly what I had stated in the prior post.
Except it isn't. What you stated is not what is was going on in this story. Let me refresh you:
This article actually hits dead center of why I have never, and will never use apple/itunes.
I did however try itunes out MANY years ago and the second I realized I couldn't do anything outside itunes, I uninstalled it.
What really got my blood boiling is that itunes took the mp3 music I had, converted it into their proprietary format, DRM's it, and AND ANDDDDD DELETED MY MP3 MUSIC!!! That was just SOOO unacceptable! So I never used anything apple since - and life was good.
Now, here, let me tell you what happened that this news story is about (none of what you said that I bolded is in any form what happened). There were competing music download services, if you used their software to put what you got from them on your iPod it could work, however 3rd party support for putting music on your iPod was never endorsed by Apple. You had to use iTunes to do it correctly. If you used something else, it was taking advantage of an exploit, iTunes would notice this, and want to restore your iPod, where the files you put on without iTunes were removed. The headlines everywhere are misleading because that is the nature of journalism today, its all about getting you to click into it. For Apple stories, a lot of people don't read because they hate Apple, and then it just becomes a bit mess of ill-informed people hyping each other up and hoping for 'likes'.
 
Except it isn't. What you stated is not what is was going on in this story. Let me refresh you:

Now, here, let me tell you what happened that this news story is about (none of what you said that I bolded is in any form what happened). There were competing music download services, if you used their software to put what you got from them on your iPod it could work, however 3rd party support for putting music on your iPod was never endorsed by Apple. You had to use iTunes to do it correctly. If you used something else, it was taking advantage of an exploit, iTunes would notice this, and want to restore your iPod, where the files you put on without iTunes were removed. The headlines everywhere are misleading because that is the nature of journalism today, its all about getting you to click into it. For Apple stories, a lot of people don't read because they hate Apple, and then it just becomes a bit mess of ill-informed people hyping each other up and hoping for 'likes'.
With that being said, Windows Media Player doesn't sack music that you rip, download, or file, without buying it through M$. So yes, feel free to apologize for Apple to your heart's content. But, this is still within the purview of their typical anti-competitive practices.

Besides, the word on the street is, iTunes is coded to slow Windows machines down. But not so with Apple toys.
 
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Yep! Exactly what I had stated in the prior post.
Except it isn't. What you stated is not what is was going on in this story. Let me refresh you:
This article actually hits dead center of why I have never, and will never use apple/itunes.
I did however try itunes out MANY years ago and the second I realized I couldn't do anything outside itunes, I uninstalled it.
What really got my blood boiling is that itunes took the mp3 music I had, converted it into their proprietary format, DRM's it, and AND ANDDDDD DELETED MY MP3 MUSIC!!! That was just SOOO unacceptable! So I never used anything apple since - and life was good.
Now, here, let me tell you what happened that this news story is about (none of what you said that I bolded is in any form what happened). There were competing music download services, if you used their software to put what you got from them on your iPod it could work, however 3rd party support for putting music on your iPod was never endorsed by Apple. You had to use iTunes to do it correctly. If you used something else, it was taking advantage of an exploit, iTunes would notice this, and want to restore your iPod, where the files you put on without iTunes were removed. The headlines everywhere are misleading because that is the nature of journalism today, its all about getting you to click into it. For Apple stories, a lot of people don't read because they hate Apple, and then it just becomes a bit mess of ill-informed people hyping each other up and hoping for 'likes'.
Yep! Exactly what I had stated in the prior post.
Except it isn't. What you stated is not what is was going on in this story. Let me refresh you:
This article actually hits dead center of why I have never, and will never use apple/itunes.
I did however try itunes out MANY years ago and the second I realized I couldn't do anything outside itunes, I uninstalled it.
What really got my blood boiling is that itunes took the mp3 music I had, converted it into their proprietary format, DRM's it, and AND ANDDDDD DELETED MY MP3 MUSIC!!! That was just SOOO unacceptable! So I never used anything apple since - and life was good.
Now, here, let me tell you what happened that this news story is about (none of what you said that I bolded is in any form what happened). There were competing music download services, if you used their software to put what you got from them on your iPod it could work, however 3rd party support for putting music on your iPod was never endorsed by Apple. You had to use iTunes to do it correctly. If you used something else, it was taking advantage of an exploit, iTunes would notice this, and want to restore your iPod, where the files you put on without iTunes were removed. The headlines everywhere are misleading because that is the nature of journalism today, its all about getting you to click into it. For Apple stories, a lot of people don't read because they hate Apple, and then it just becomes a bit mess of ill-informed people hyping each other up and hoping for 'likes'.

Nice attempt at spin. Well, actually, no..it was a PITIFUL attempt at spin. Some of those users *MANUALLY* copied songs from their computer to their iPod. Its well known that iTunes will delete ANYTHING that's in the device's iTunes folder but which isn't in its database when it syncs. That has nothing to do with third party tools and everything to do with Apple's malicious, anti-user and anti-competitive tactics. But keep drinking that Kool-Aid - I hear its strained through a dirty black turtleneck.
 
I'm pretty sure that until the iPod touch you could NOT manually copy files to your iPod and play them on it. The only supported way to get music to your iPod and have it play was through iTunes.
 
Except it isn't. What you stated is not what is was going on in this story. Let me refresh you:

Now, here, let me tell you what happened that this news story is about (none of what you said that I bolded is in any form what happened). There were competing music download services, if you used their software to put what you got from them on your iPod it could work, however 3rd party support for putting music on your iPod was never endorsed by Apple. You had to use iTunes to do it correctly. If you used something else, it was taking advantage of an exploit, iTunes would notice this, and want to restore your iPod, where the files you put on without iTunes were removed. The headlines everywhere are misleading because that is the nature of journalism today, its all about getting you to click into it. For Apple stories, a lot of people don't read because they hate Apple, and then it just becomes a bit mess of ill-informed people hyping each other up and hoping for 'likes'.
With that being said, Windows Media Player doesn't sack music that you rip, download, or file, without buying it through M$. So yes, feel free to apologize for Apple to your heart's content. But, this is still within the purview of their typical anti-competitive practices.

Besides, the word on the street is, iTunes is coded to slow Windows machines down. But not so with Apple toys.
The very reason I will not load iTunes on my PC! Why does it take so long to rip a CD using iTunes?
 
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