Japan increases punishment for online insults to one year in prison following reality...

I'm sorry but NO. I prefer to keep my liberty of speech and expression and be able to insult and get insulted than to have to accept to be shut up because my culture is uncapable of generating people with sufficient self esteem to not to be able to bear insults. Instead of having all the time to bow our heads, why don't we ask ourselves: how did we arrive to the point that insults bring people on the brink of psychological collapse? what and where is the problem in reality?
 

eforce

Posts: 1,026   +1,477
"You can't say nasty words to each other but you can go to China and commit horrific atrocities and get away with it..."
 

brucek

Posts: 1,209   +1,763
What qualifies as an insult? If you're a wrestling fan but rooting for her opponent, and are yelling stuff like "Boo" and "You Suck", now you can go to jail? Wrestling must be a totally different thing there.

What's the trash talking have to sound like? "Your chair throw was masterful and well aimed, but my piledriver may give you cause for concern, my esteemed opponent".
 

TheRealSCDC

Posts: 310   +433
This comment is an example of what is wrong with the world. Free speech is a right not a privilege.

We all, as individuals, are accountable for our own actions, including how we react to harsh words expressed by others. If you are angry, offended or hurt by something someone else says to you, YOU have have the problem. Why you ask? Simple:
You are letting someone make you angry.
You are letting someone offend you.
You are letting someone hurt your feelings.

Other people and what they say are NOT the problem, you are. How do you solve this? Choice.
Choose not to let someone else anger you.
Choose not to let someone else offend you.
Choose not to let someone else hurt your feelings.
Choose to view them for what they are, sad little bullies not worth your time.

At the end of the day, it's YOUR life and YOUR choices.
Choose to be stalwart and ignore the fools of life or choose to walk around all the time offended, hurt and angry.
Either way, the choice is yours and no law or government can ever help you with it.
Hey Zed, Not bad, not bad at all. Well said.
 

TheRealSCDC

Posts: 310   +433
I'm sorry but NO. I prefer to keep my liberty of speech and expression and be able to insult and get insulted than to have to accept to be shut up because my culture is uncapable of generating people with sufficient self esteem to not to be able to bear insults. Instead of having all the time to bow our heads, why don't we ask ourselves: how did we arrive to the point that insults bring people on the brink of psychological collapse? what and where is the problem in reality?
It's pretty easy. Started with the Internet and the slippery slope turned into a cliff. People use to deal with people, not a screen.
 

mbk34

Posts: 358   +260
I'm all for it. You can still speak the truth but you just have to show some basic respect to others. For some, this might be a new thing.
 

Gimp65

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Japan is awesome. This should be commended. Free speech has lost all meaning in North America the last few years especially. It's being abused that's for sure.

I recently saw a video about Japan's lost and found. Something like 80-90% recovery for wallets. You can even submit things you'd never think anyone would bother wasting time and money returning. Their bullet trains are so precisely timed that it has been late only once I believe. Inflation at ~2% for decades, etc etc. Sounds amazing. I'd love to visit someday.
"In 2017, the country had the seventh highest suicide rate in the OECD,"
 

Knot Schure

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Japan is awesome. This should be commended. Free speech has lost all meaning in North America the last few years especially. It's being abused that's for sure.

I recently saw a video about Japan's lost and found. Something like 80-90% recovery for wallets. You can even submit things you'd never think anyone would bother wasting time and money returning. Their bullet trains are so precisely timed that it has been late only once I believe. Inflation at ~2% for decades, etc etc. Sounds amazing. I'd love to visit someday.
Hello from Japan.
Japan has loads of things 'awesome', that is for sure.
Crime is almost non-existent.
But not everything is simple.
Today I rode the Shinkensen (Bullet train), on my way back to Tokyo from Hiroshima, I had a ticket issue. I went out 1st Class, and today on my return, they claimed I did not have an extra 'express' ticket to ride the Shinkensen back. No amount of rational explanation between us would solve this, (and who in the right mind would return on local trains over such a distance I tried to reason). Nothing doing, I had to pay even more to ride the express back - 'as you have only a distance ticket', that THEY sold me, not a machine...
Masks everywhere here still.
 

Knot Schure

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Japan has awesome things... and some horrible ones too. Extremely high prices, small apartments, live to work (and not work to live), work / culture very "family unfriendly" so there are very little young people versus amount of old people. In Japan the culture is very male chauvinist (women go behind men) and having robots (instead real persons or animals) as friends / company / pets is a real thing and well seen (W.t.F.?!). They even test having a robot as a bartender.

I am very "human" and "balanced life" friendly, so that tech and "live for your work" country is not my thing...
Again, hello from Tokyo - they have reigned-in the work-to-death-thing, and so my customers are unable to work weekends, even though I am expected to (and usually do except for here).
So everybody in our office fights to get the Japanese projects, as you get the weekends free to let loose. They also fight for the Thailand deployments, albeit for different reasons....
And as for the chauvinistic thoughts - that is not my experience of Japan at all. Now, if you had said Saudi Arabia, I'd have said you were spot on.
Don't see so much robots, but you can rent a dog for the day, if you need a canine hit, or board a fake airplane, complete with boarding cards and tray meals if that is your thing.
'There's nowt q u e e r as folk', as they say in Barnsley...
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 7,961   +7,006
This comment is an example of what is wrong with the world. Free speech is a right not a privilege.

We all, as individuals, are accountable for our own actions, including how we react to harsh words expressed by others. If you are angry, offended or hurt by something someone else says to you, YOU have have the problem. Why you ask? Simple:
You are letting someone make you angry.
You are letting someone offend you.
You are letting someone hurt your feelings.

Other people and what they say are NOT the problem, you are. How do you solve this? Choice.
Choose not to let someone else anger you.
Choose not to let someone else offend you.
Choose not to let someone else hurt your feelings.
Choose to view them for what they are, sad little bullies not worth your time.

At the end of the day, it's YOUR life and YOUR choices.
Choose to be stalwart and ignore the fools of life or choose to walk around all the time offended, hurt and angry.
Either way, the choice is yours and no law or government can ever help you with it.
While I agree with you, there's the "Golden Rule". The term may be over-used, however, Treating others how you would like to be treated is something that I believe that people absolutely should do. This, however, cannot be legislated, and if some people routinely treat others in a rude manner, those being rude should expect that someone will turn the tables on them. It's that "respect" aspect I spoke of earlier in this thread.
 

hahahanoobs

Posts: 4,601   +2,563
Hello from Japan.
Japan has loads of things 'awesome', that is for sure.
Crime is almost non-existent.
But not everything is simple.
Today I rode the Shinkensen (Bullet train), on my way back to Tokyo from Hiroshima, I had a ticket issue. I went out 1st Class, and today on my return, they claimed I did not have an extra 'express' ticket to ride the Shinkensen back. No amount of rational explanation between us would solve this, (and who in the right mind would return on local trains over such a distance I tried to reason). Nothing doing, I had to pay even more to ride the express back - 'as you have only a distance ticket', that THEY sold me, not a machine...
Masks everywhere here still.
Hi from Canada! We just recently dropped mask requirement on public transit. Reactions are mixed.

Sadly "confusion" like what you experienced happens almost daily here in North America. Name almost any company or service and they have done something to you that makes you want to rip your own hair out, or smash/burn/shoot the device you're trying to get support for.
 

m3tavision

Posts: 850   +618
How close are they to a civil war? How many get shot at school/shopping/praying? How many countries have they invaded lately?

The US is the worst example to put up against other countries as an example of better, right now. Trump grabs women by the you know what and still got elected, and you think Japan is chauvinist?!
You really have to stop being so feministic.. Every heterosexual male has grabbed a woman's parts. The ONLY people offended by such hetero speak... are the non baby-makers.

Biden got elected by lying to the American people about nearly everything and has ruined US relations... how did Trump hurt you again?
 

TheRealSCDC

Posts: 310   +433
You really have to stop being so feministic.. Every heterosexual male has grabbed a woman's parts. The ONLY people offended by such hetero speak... are the non baby-makers.

Biden got elected by lying to the American people about nearly everything and has ruined US relations... how did Trump hurt you again?
I like this post. Just because.
 

rmcrys

Posts: 248   +206
Every heterosexual male has grabbed a woman's parts.
I am very heterosexual (and only), I've been with a lot of women, have a family and I never grabbed a woman's parts without consent. Either me or friends that I know of, with alcohol or not. There are a lot of countries that crime or such offenses are almost of non existence, due to excellent basic educating system which demands that people behave civilized.

That has absolutely nothing to do with politics, just with the millions of people in those countries. If a country is not (most people) civilized, then politicians won't be either. If people are corrupt, the government will be too. I love to hear people on some countries about corruption when they... try to escape taxes, do dirty business or aren't too serious doing business (on those countries is frequent that when you buy something or go to a restaurant, that change is always incorrect...) but the guilt is always on the politicians... LOL

Civilized countries (as North Europe for example) are made as that by all and their good education, poor or rich. As well as clean people and houses. I'm born / raised on a poor European city but (at that time) poor or rich were civilized, honest and clean, crime was extremely low because all people were "cops" of each other and laws were rather rigid (but there was freedom).

Now crime is much higher, poor are mostly dirty and say that it is because they are low on money (?); they throw papers and other stuff to the floor and happens nothing: the police just want to earn their money without trouble; if you say something to someone throwing something, they punch you and the police says to you (not to them.......) "you should shut up, your fault"

So at the end, people and their ideas (like "I do whatever I want, politicians should find a way so that I earn well, someone cleans up my mess and someone should raise my kids, I have more things -like football and beer and smoke- to do") make a country.

On "my time", if you didn't work you had little help to get money; now the social security gives you everything and I already offered a stable job to an unemployed with family and was refused because he still had 6 months paid without needing to work (W.F?)...
 

Endymio

Posts: 1,828   +1,895
That's pretty heartless considering you know absolutely nothing about her. Shame on you.
Heartless, perhaps, but quite likely true. Hana Kimura was haku, and such individuals have an extremely rough time of it in Japanese society; depression and other emotional problems commonly result.
 

Skjorn

Posts: 696   +570
That's pretty heartless considering you know absolutely nothing about her. Shame on you.
What am I supposed to? Have full sympathy for her? She put herself in the spotlight, of course people are going to talk about her. Reminds me of that Southpark where butters had to filter out all the negative things people said to other people online to protect their fragile egos.

Shame on you for shaming me, you know absolutely nothing about me.
 

hahahanoobs

Posts: 4,601   +2,563
Heartless, perhaps, but quite likely true. Hana Kimura was haku, and such individuals have an extremely rough time of it in Japanese society; depression and other emotional problems commonly result.
Cool. Then it's quite likely true North America is worse.