Security John McAfee says he'll decrypt the San Bernardino iPhone for free with his team of super hackers

captaincranky

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However, the wise man can see that doing things that better the society will benefit him as well. Sometimes you bring yourself up by bringing those around you up.
I think even teachers serve their egos. On the topic at hand, they're usually, "the smartest guys in the room". That has to help bolster one's self esteem. As far as religious figures go, they compete on piety. The most pious, (and politically savvy), gets to be pope. Which again, has to be good for the ego, as well as the "soul". They're basically the best salesman on the planet, with their product of, "an unprovable truth, against an unprovable punishment". Fill up the plate as it goes by, sil vous plait...;)

(I'm not completely sure, but we may be a bit off topic,....LOL).

Oh BTW, good point! :)
 
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Technician

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I am very spiritual but not religious, that is organized religion does not interest me but that's for another forum, however it does point out why I don't know what it takes to become pope or why one would want to.
As for teachers, I only know about art instructors and those that teach the special needs students as my wife is both, and I can say with certainty that you are wrong about doing it to bolster her ego.
 

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....[ ]...As for teachers, I only know about art instructors and those that teach the special needs students as my wife is both, and I can say with certainty that you are wrong about doing it to bolster her ego.
Nor am I suggesting that as so in that exact context. I am saying a human being cannot or will not do anything altruistic without bolstering their self esteem in the process. Just pointing out a characteristic of our species in general. Since I believe it's a genetic and also a heavily culturally induced trait, I'd rather not judge it, but rather testify to its existence. Best thing to do is admit to the possibility. And since "admission absolves guilt", enjoy the ride.. (I hope that explains what I'm saying a bit better)..

Conceptually, my idea is very similar to yours of, "bringing those around you up to better yourself in the process". Sociologists maintain that for each and every one of us, our "end game", is providing ourselves with as much "money, power, & prestige" as possible. Of course, different "souls" require those things in different proportions to feel successful.
 
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Insofar as doing good for others is good for you, I agree, but to say that is the underlying reason is incorrect.
 

captaincranky

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Insofar as doing good for others is good for you, I agree, but to say that is the underlying reason is incorrect.
Could I get you on board if I said it in a less analytic and more cordial manner? Maybe, "doing good for others makes one's self feel good in the process".
 
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jimk1

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Most companies and the government have hired hackers over the years to protect them. Bad hackers need not apply they only want the best and brightest. Since McAfee is one of the major companies that fight hackers very well they should be able to do what he says. They will clone the device, backward engineer it and rework the operating system so they can get into the phone, not an easy job but they probably have done it before.
 

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Most companies and the government have hired hackers over the years to protect them. Bad hackers need not apply they only want the best and brightest. Since McAfee is one of the major companies that fight hackers very well they should be able to do what he says. They will clone the device, backward engineer it and rework the operating system so they can get into the phone, not an easy job but they probably have done it before.
I'm still not entirely convinced Apple doesn't already have a backdoor or some way into the phone already. All their denials are creating a a great deal of public sympathy. Man oh man, that's advertising worth millions they don't have to pay a cent for.

Moving on, with all the "invasion of privacy furor", the NSA's recording of virtually all conversations on mobile phones created, here's the fed begging with hat in hand, for help to open one phone of a mass murderer. The fed can show just cause for the info they're requesting, and the NSA may already have it, but doesn't know where the hell to start looking for it.
 
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I'm still not entirely convinced Apple doesn't already have a backdoor or some way into the phone already. all their denials are creating a great deals of public sympathy. Man oh man, that's advertising worth millions they don't have to pay a cent for.
Not to mention how crafty governments are at controlling media. Apple and the NSA may have shook hands over this PR stunt. In a way it make the NSA look as if they don't always get what they want, which is a lie.
 

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Not to mention how crafty governments are at controlling media. Apple and the NSA may have shook hands over this PR stunt. In a way it make the NSA look as if they don't always get what they want, which is a lie.
And then they'll brand anyone who says something like that a, "conspiracy theorist". Sorry Cliff. Honest, I don't think you're a conspiracy theorist...(y)
 
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MonarchDragon

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I believe he can do it. He doesn't need a medium to talk with the dead. It should be an interesting conversation among kindred spirits. Scary, isn't it?
 

Squid Surprise

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Well, somebody needs to keep you honest

Perhaps so. But wait until some iPhone and gun wielding terrorist/sociopath slaughters someone(s) in your country, before you decide what would be best for us in the US

.It's always the same with you, when you don't really have an answer for me, I'm trolling. How patently convenient. How unimaginative.
But I did have an answer for you... you just respond with more trolling of course...

Anyways, your inane "you're not American so this doesn't concern you" nonsense aside, Canadians have a vested interest in this case, as not only does Apple operate in Canada, OUR government tends to ape US policies - and this would be a very dangerous one for any democratic nation to adopt.

What I found quite amusing was Apple's latest release saying that they actually had tried to help, but some fool had already tried to reset the Apple ID, which made the iphone's info unretrievable... Check out the article here:

http://www.redmondpie.com/apple-we-tried-to-help-but-someone-changed-apple-id-icloud-password/

So basically, the FBI F*cked up, and are now attempting to bully Apple into bailing them out...

And again, it's not like the FBI is building a case against anyone - the shooter is DEAD!
 

captaincranky

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...And again, it's not like the FBI is building a case against anyone - the shooter is DEAD!
And again, this just plain stupid. I'd like to know, if the dead shooter was part of a larger body of fanatics. As far as this not concerning you, AFAIK, the World Trade Center was on US soil. From what I gather in your general opinion, privacy trumps all concerns. I would be curious to hear your take on this, should someone come into your classroom and start blasting away.

Plus, if the phone is already bricked or wiped, why is this mutt Cook riding a wave of public sympathy and aggrandizing himself saying he won't open the phone, when possibly what he really means is, "he can't"?
 
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And again, this just plain stupid. I'd like to know, if the dead shooter was part of a larger body of fanatics. As far as this not concerning you, AFAIK, the World Trade Center was on US soil. From what I gather in your general opinion, privacy trumps all concerns. I would be curious to hear your take on this, should someone come into your classroom and start blasting away.

Plus, if the phone is already bricked or wiped, why is this mutt Cook riding a wave of public sympathy and aggrandizing himself saying he won't open the phone, when possibly what he really means is, "he can't"?
It's not stupid - the FBI has no proof that there are others involved, so there is no justification to get someone to write an as-of-now-nonexistant backdoor specifically to bypass the security in said iphone. Which is what they are asking Apple to do.

It is almost certainly possible to do - Apple has kind of admitted as much - but it would be extremely dangerous in the wrong hands... the government being those wrong hands!

The ***** from the FBI who reset the Apple ID made this necessary - it would have been far simpler to unlock the iphone had this not occurred.

As for the World Trade Centre - there is no comparison, as it was VERY clear that this wasn't one guy acting alone... even had Al-Qaeda not taken responsibility, it would be pretty tough for one guy to hijack a couple of planes.... And while it occurred on US soil, this event had repercussions all over the world - certainly in Canada!! So I think I'm entitled to care about it...

Privacy does NOT trump all concerns - as usual, you're simply assuming nonsense based on what you feel is convenient... This SPECIFIC case, however, doesn't prove to me that the potential overriding of EVERY iPhone owner's privacy is worth unlocking one specific phone of someone who, for all we know, acted alone (with his spouse) and is ALREADY DEAD.
 
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Privacy does NOT trump all concerns - as usual, you're simply assuming nonsense based on what you feel is convenient... This SPECIFIC case, however, doesn't prove to me that the potential overriding of EVERY iPhone owner's privacy is worth unlocking one specific phone of someone who, for all we know, acted alone and is ALREADY DEAD.
Oh, here we go with the capital letters , and let's see, we've already done the name calling, but I'm the troll, right?

Who said anything about unlocking everybody's iPhone? That's some bulls*** you're fabricating, for your own convenience.

And as for this, "for all we know" (your exact words). nonsense, that's just it, you don't know, but you sure are acting like you do.

A federal warrant should open the phone. If we run with your histrionics, you seem to think the the NSA or FBI is going to produce a warrant for every iPhone in existence(*).

Apple isn't being asked for the code or methodology to open the phone. They're being asked to have the phone opened. Big difference.

(*) And know what, even if they did, you're still from Canada.
 
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Squid Surprise

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Oh, here we go with the capital letters , and let's see, we've already done the name calling, but I'm the troll, right?

Who said anything about unlocking everybody's iPhone? That's some bulls*** you're fabricating, for your own convenience.

And as for this, "for all we know" (your exact words). nonsense, that's just it, you don't know, but you sure are acting like you do.

A federal warrant should open the phone. If we run with your histrionics, you seem to think the fed is going to think the NSA or FBI is going to produce a warrant for every iPhone in existence.

Apple isn't being asked for the code or methodology to open the phone. They're asking to have the phone opened. Big difference.

And know what, even if they did, you're still from Canada.
The precedent is the key here... once the government is allowed to have Apple unlock one iPhone, they can do it for ANY iPhone they please... Had you bothered to read the articles, you'd know that the FBI originally wanted Apple to write a custom firmware for the iPhone that would bypass the security... and this firmware would have been in the FBI's possession.... what would stop them from being able to open ANY iPhone?

Now, as you should know (but conveniently choose to forget), is that when you are prosecuting a case, the onus of proof is on the prosecution.... so if it's "for all we know", then the doubt lies on the defense... without any proof, there is no reason for this unprecedented act.

Now, stop fabricating your own information and maybe provide some real evidence for the nonsense you spout...
 

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Had you bothered to read the articles, you'd know that the FBI originally wanted Apple to write a custom firmware for the iPhone that would bypass the security... and this firmware would have been in the FBI's possession.... what would stop them from being able to open ANY iPhone?
I don't need to know that, nor would I ever sanction it.

To be crystal clear, my position is, one phone opened, by one warrant with probable cause.
The means of opening said phone, to remain with the owner of its patent, the Apple corporation.

After the NSA spying scandal, I honestly don't believe even a FISA court is going to start pulling thousands of warrants from under the seat of its robes. It makes little sense to do so. The fed needs us as much as we need them to help keep us safe.

As far as the fed asking Apple to write them firmware of software, I'd be willing to bet they just tried that to, see if they could get away with it, or have Apple compromise and open the phone for them. They're in the process of gaming one another, one or the other, or both, is gaming the public, who really knows.

IMHO, it would still be great to know, who this guy's friends were, and if they were the people who were responsible for his radicalization. His phone could possibly answer those questions.
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Now, as you should know (but conveniently choose to forget), is that when you are prosecuting a case, the onus of proof is on the prosecution.... so if it's "for all we know", then the doubt lies on the defense... without any proof, there is no reason for this unprecedented act.
Well, the onus on the prosecution is to produce, "probable cause" for the issuance of a warrant, which I believe they've done. The onus on the defense is to lie their way to, "reasonable doubt", at trial, or to have any evidence they feel has been illegally obtained at the preliminary hearing, excluded.

Your interpretation of that is well, absurd. But it's late so.
 
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Squid Surprise

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. I don't need to know that, nor would I ever sanction it.

. Well, the onus on the prosecution is to produce, "probable cause" for the issuance of a warrant, which I believe they've done. The onus on the defense is to lie their way to, "reasonable doubt", at trial, or to have any evidence they feel has been illegally obtained at the preliminary hearing, excluded.

Your interpretation of that is well, absurd.
Funny... cause a LOT of far more intelligent people than you agree with me....like pretty much everyone in the tech industry including the CEO of Google...

The FBI is bypassing the usual legal process (cause normal law would say "too bad, so sad, deal with it!") and are using the All Writs Act (from 1789!!) that has never been used before in a case like this....

Now this act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act) basically gives the FBI the power to do pretty much anything it wants provided that it is "agreeable to the usages and principles of law"... which is pretty vague and being used by the FBI to basically mean "whatever the F*** we want"...

Think about what a dangerous step this is if it is allowed to proceed.... Basically, the FBI will be able to do pretty much anything it wants to because they are the ones who "use the law"....

It's kind of funny, that of all people, YOU are actually siding with the government here... yet you're the one who's convinced that MS is plotting to steal all of your private information... I'd be FAR more concerned with this case than upgrading from Windows XP....
 

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...[ ]....Now this act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act) basically gives the FBI the power to do pretty much anything it wants provided that it is "agreeable to the usages and principles of law"... which is pretty vague and being used by the FBI to basically mean "whatever the F*** we want"...
Yes it could be. But, one warrant, one phone, I believe is a reasonable solution. "Trade secrets" are common law privacy privileged, and as such, the means and methodology of unlocking an iPhone, should and must, remain with Apple

Think about what a dangerous step this is if it is allowed to proceed.... Basically, the FBI will be able to do pretty much anything it wants to because they are the ones who "use the law"....
I'm glad to see them doing something, anything, in lieu of arresting grandmothers for downloading copyrighted music

It's kind of funny, that of all people, YOU are actually siding with the government here... yet you're the one who's convinced that MS is plotting to steal all of your private information... I'd be FAR more concerned with this case than upgrading from Windows XP....
I can't fathom any dissonance or paradox in my opinion. In the case of M$ collecting data, I haven't done anything wrong. Therefore there should be no warrant issued for my data. M$ is going to collect it, whether I allow it or not. There is a different paradigm in operation. The only "worst case" way these wildly different scenarios, slash "paranoid fantasies" could align, is if the FBI came along with a warrant for the telemetry of every copy of Windows 10 issued. Which is as unlikely as them issuing a warrant for every cell phone in existence, as a "prophylactic" against future crime.

If "1984" is going to happen, it's going to happen. Today's 1st world governments are far too sophisticated , and well armed, to summarily decide to engage them in a revolution. And somewhat reluctantly, I'm going to include the Canadian government in that assessment.

As far as your preliminary comment, of intelligent people are siding with you goes, perhaps so. But many of those individuals have business interests at heart also. So, retaining the public trust is the issue of most gravitas there, regardless of how they might score on an IQ test. In short, they're telling you exactly what they know you want to hear.

Plus, all of them, especially Google and Apple, are getting a crap load of glowing free publicity, for doing so. I might add, free publicity, which would cost you or I an arm and a leg, were we to purchase it from Google. One net result? Public opinions formed thus, "goddammit, my next phone, is going to be an iPhone, because they didn't give in to the fed and open that phone". See how that works?

A far as it goes, you're just as likely to get an unbiased opinion, with no self interest at heart, by asking any given question to an ACLU lawyer, or Al Sharpton.

Where Google's CEO and Google itself is concerned, that company is the worst invasion of privacy since the Spanish Inquisition.. And I don't really condone or believe the idea that, "we're sort of reading your email, and sort of not reading your email". All I know is, if I buy something from one of my normal suppliers, the next thing I know, people are crawling all over the top of my Gmail page, trying to sell me the same damned thing or something from the same damned product category.
 
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blooooopy

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Most companies and the government have hired hackers over the years to protect them. Bad hackers need not apply they only want the best and brightest. Since McAfee is one of the major companies that fight hackers very well they should be able to do what he says. They will clone the device, backward engineer it and rework the operating system so they can get into the phone, not an easy job but they probably have done it before.
John has not owned this company for a long time.
 

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