John McAfee says he'll decrypt the San Bernardino iPhone for free with his team of super hackers

[Squid Surprise]

Who knows, if you ever learn to read anything past, "Now We are Six", you might be Calvin too.

heheh... alas, I only teach Kindergarten... so I don't have to...

 

[Technician]

The more Apple denies a back door exists, the more I think of the second scene of the third act of Hamlet, when the Queen says,"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Of course they don't want the people buying their made in China hardware to know they already have this ability, they might stop overpaying for inferior products.

 

[captaincranky]

The more Apple denies a back door exists, the more I think of the second scene of the third act of Hamlet, when the Queen says,"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Of course they don't want the people buying their made in China hardware to know they already have this ability, they might stop overpaying for inferior products.

And the more they resist opening the phone, the more likely they are to attract future customers.

Like I said earlier, there is nothing a human being is capable of doing without there being an ulterior motive in play. And CEO's "ulterior motives", can pretty much be guaranteed to be self serving.

 

[Technician]

And the more they resist opening the phone, the more likely they are to attract future customers.

Like I said earlier, there is nothing a human being is capable of doing without there being an ulterior motive in play. And CEO's "ulterior motives", can pretty much be guaranteed to be self serving.

Right, because I want to deal with companies that think they are above the law. NOT
As I said, I think they should be charged and I'll go further and say that they should have all their assets frozen and not be allowed to move any product in their stores or sell any stock until an investigation is done to see if they had a hand in the crime from the beginning or if they are aiding after the fact. If they want to play hardball, I would play with them if I were the Attorney General.

Even if I wouldn't actually do it, I'd tell Apple that it's a possibility.
I don't hate Apple, a lot of companies put money ahead of people, I do hate those that attempt to obstruct justice and stand in the way of an ongoing criminal investigation under a false pretense.

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

Social engineering is where you trick someone to reset your password by impersonating the user. I would guess the dead terrorist would be "famous" enough that his accounts would be flagged? And even then, the user would have to be stupid enough to use the same pw for his iPhone screen unlock?

This guy sounds like he fried his brain down in Central America....

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

And the more they resist opening the phone, the more likely they are to attract future customers.

Like I said earlier, there is nothing a human being is capable of doing without there being an ulterior motive in play. And CEO's "ulterior motives", can pretty much be guaranteed to be self serving.

Right, because I want to deal with companies that think they are above the law. NOT
As I said, I think they should be charged and I'll go further and say that they should have all their assets frozen and not be allowed to move any product in their stores or sell any stock until an investigation is done to see if they had a hand in the crime from the beginning or if they are aiding after the fact. If they want to play hardball, I would play with them if I were the Attorney General.

Even if I wouldn't actually do it, I'd tell Apple that it's a possibility.
I don't hate Apple, a lot of companies put money ahead of people, I do hate those that attempt to obstruct justice and stand in the way of an ongoing criminal investigation under a false pretense.

Fascism in action, folks!

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

The more Apple denies a back door exists, the more I think of the second scene of the third act of Hamlet, when the Queen says,"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Of course they don't want the people buying their made in China hardware to know they already have this ability, they might stop overpaying for inferior products.

Where is the evidence a backdoor exists?

 

[cliffordcooley]

I do hate those that attempt to obstruct justice and stand in the way of an ongoing criminal investigation under a false pretense.

So you acknowledge you're waving your right to freedom by allowing them to investigate at whatever cost necessary? That's a dangerous place to be, if you value your well being.

 

[Technician]

So you acknowledge you're waving your right to freedom by allowing them to investigate at whatever cost necessary? That's a dangerous place to be, if you value your well being.

I acknowledge that obstruction of justice is a crime, and if I did it, I'd pay the price, guaranteed. I don't think Apple is any better.

 

[captaincranky]

Right, because I want to deal with companies that think they are above the law. NOT

Keep in mind your opinion is not the only opinion on the topic in the wild. Although, you do have a grandiose habit of assuming your opinion is the only one that matters.

And as I spent a big portion of last night arguing with Squid Surprise arguing the viewpoint that I believe Apple should open the phone, I figure I'm coming from the same place on the topic as you.

I hadn't considered not buying Apple products because, "Apple thinks it is above the law", I simply don't buy their product now now, nor will I ever". It's not a legal or ethical decision on my part. I simply won't pay for their overpriced, under performing product.

 

[Technician]

Keep in mind your opinion is not the only opinion on the topic in the wild. Although, you do have a grandiose habit of assuming your opinion is the only one that matters.

And as I spent a big portion of last night arguing with Squid Surprise arguing the viewpoint that I believe Apple should open the phone, I figure I'm coming from the same place on the topic as you.

I hadn't considered not buying Apple products because, "Apple thinks it is above the law", I simply don't buy their product now now, nor will I ever". It's not a legal or ethical decision on my part. I simply won't pay for their overpriced, under performing product.

It's odd that you characterize a habit of thinking ones opinion is the only one that matters as grandiose. I suppose that because it's a flaw you see in yourself? My opinion is no more or less important than any. It's just the only one I can offer. As Socrates said, the only thing I know for certain is that I know nothing.

I agree with your last comment, but it is at odds with the comment that their stance will get more people to buy their products.

 

[captaincranky]

Where is the evidence a backdoor exists?

If this is all about "Fascism in action", why don't you strike a blow for personal freedom by shutting your mouth, and throwing your stinking smart phone in the river, and call whoever you need to call on a landline. Are you too lazy to do that? Is it too inconvenient? Are you too addicted to inflated phone bills and running your mouth ad infinitum where ever you happen to be?

 

[cliffordcooley]

I acknowledge that obstruction of justice is a crime, and if I did it, I'd pay the price, guaranteed. I don't think Apple is any better.

Standing up for our rights, freedoms, and security as a whole is not obstructing justice. And to be honest it is too soon to label anyone obstruction until after they have been found guilty. But that is not the case, they are standing their ground until they find out whether they have ground to stand on. That's not against the law, that's due process!

I may be reading you out of context, because I stopped following just how far you and cranky have gone in this long debate.

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

Google yourself much?

Lol, yup, this is my only reply to this article. P

News Flash! The backdoor to Apple's software already exists. If you think you are NOT being monitored by Apple Inc. every second you are on your phone, you are naive to say the least. Encryption is a complete myth. Your enemy is not "the government". It is the large multi-national corporations that collect and control all the data.

Encryption is not a " myth". The NSA has been breaking encryption since the 40's. The only question is...how long will it take? Wouldn't doubt the NSA owns/rents processing time on the new DWave quantum computers to make breaking encryption quicker. The problem is Apple's 10 try limit that "bricks" the phone. They don't know how to get around that, except by forcing Apple to comply using legal trickery.

That's why they're crying like little babies who had their all-day suckers taken away from them...

 

[captaincranky]

It's odd that you characterize a habit of thinking ones opinion is the only one that matters as grandiose. I suppose that because it's a flaw you see in yourself?

Well, it takes one to know one. Or so they say.

My opinion is no more or less important than any. It's just the only one I can offer. As Socrates said, the only thing I know for certain is that I know nothing.

And offer it with great authority and from a position of righteousness you surely do.

I agree with your last comment, but it is at odds with the comment that their stance will get more people to buy their products.

Well, I have come to expect at most, only partial accord with any compound conclusion I may happen to draw.

If John Q. Public believes Apple is acting in the interest of their privacy, and privacy seems to be of great concern to many. Then later down the road, (IMHO), they're more likely to choose an iPhone, than a phone from another maker who obeys the law, and complies with a valid warrant.

Eric Snowden supplied a huge portion of the paranoia of government they're suffering from. If Apple makes a stand against the fed prying, hooray, at least as far as a great many of the unwashed masses are concerned.

They don't say squat of importance or even urgency, but still think Uncle Sam is targeting only them.

 

[captaincranky]

I may be reading you out of context, because I stopped following just how far you and cranky have gone in this long debate.

Actually, this is Technician's reentry to the topic. Now myself and Squid, that was quite belabored and worth ignoring.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Actually, this is Technician's reentry to the topic. Now myself and Squid, that was quite belabored and worth ignoring.

Ahh, maybe so. There is also another thread or two adding to the confusion.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I strongly suggest anyone who feels that Apple is simply obstructing justice to read their explanation...

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/answers/

The thing is, self-serving or not (I agree that this has escalated to the point that Apple is now best-served by continuing to fight, simply to retain sales) Apple believes they are standing up for the freedom of their customers.

I'll provide an extreme example for you... WWII Germany.... SS Officers who were simply "following orders" were still prosecuted after the war and found guilty of crimes against humanity. Had they disobeyed orders, they would have been found guilty of "obstruction of justice" and probably been imprisoned or executed by the Nazis...

While this is clearly not as morally reprehensible as Hitler's policies, people DO have the right to question authority if they feel it is morally wrong. This is what Apple is doing.

Whether they are right or wrong.... that will be decided in the days and weeks to come.

 

[Technician]

I strongly suggest anyone who feels that Apple is simply obstructing justice to read their explanation...

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/answers/

The thing is, self-serving or not (I agree that this has escalated to the point that Apple is now best-served by continuing to fight, simply to retain sales) Apple believes they are standing up for the freedom of their customers.

I'll provide an extreme example for you... WWII Germany.... SS Officers who were simply "following orders" were still prosecuted after the war and found guilty of crimes against humanity. Had they disobeyed orders, they would have been found guilty of "obstruction of justice" and probably been imprisoned or executed by the Nazis...

While this is clearly not as morally reprehensible as Hitler's policies, people DO have the right to question authority if they feel it is morally wrong. This is what Apple is doing.

Whether they are right or wrong.... that will be decided in the days and weeks to come.

The truth is no one knows what Apple thinks or what they are trying to hide or why. We can infere that they are keeping to their policy of anything for money regardless of who it hurts. Its why they have done everything up to this point and there's no reason to believe any different now regardless of any press release.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Technician please! Apple is not trying to cover their tracks. There is nothing on this phone to condemn Apple*. Apple knows the data on the phone will be retrieved eventually. They are refusing to make it a 123 step process in unlocking everyone's phone, regardless of whether there is sufficient authority to do so. Apple didn't refuse to unlock the phone, they refused the method of which NSA wanted it done.

*Am I really doing this? I can't believe I am so strongly supporting Apple.

 

[Technician]

As I said, only Apple knows why Apple does what it does.

 

[Squid Surprise]

As I said, only Apple knows why Apple does what it does.

I agree.... So why are people claiming that Apple is being evil and should immediately comply with the FBI directive?

You DON'T know their reasons, so stop assuming they are totally wrong!

You can't assume anything.... You have no evidence that everything they've done is for money... Again, I suggest you do some reading up on this topic - there are LOTS of people applauding Apple... People who would normally be opposed to anything Apple does too!

 

[cliffordcooley]

People who would normally be opposed to anything Apple does too!

Yes, I for one.

 

[Technician]

I never said they are evil, I said they should abide by the laws of the country they do business in.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I never said they are evil, I said they should abide by the laws of the country they do business in.

Which they are, and even go so far as to suggest the NSA request itself is unlawful. Not only does Apple need to abide by the laws of the land, so does the NSA. Just because the NSA says something doesn't make it law.