June Steam hardware survey: AMD losing CPU share to Intel, Windows 10 cements top OS spot

Boshum

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Did you even read the article, or did you come straight to the comments?
Read it again to be sure I didn't miss anything. Why don't you delve into the Techspot opinion part that you seem to focus on.

Also ....as to your earlier gen 1 Ryzen remark that I keep trying to reply to....R5 1600's have already been recommended for gamers on this site.
 
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Boshum

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If my/our comments don't get deleted, I hope enough people read your comments and tell you where YOU went horribly wrong.
I welcome the feedback, and if it's convincing...I will backtrack. I think the only ones that would really argue would be Intel groupies though, and for them it's all about the higher number on a benchmark chart with no real qualifying information...not very convincing.
 

Shadowboxer

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You have it backwards. AMD is better for most people right now (even most gamers). It will just take awhile for everyone to realize. The knowledgeable DIY'ers are realizing it first. Mindshare takes awhile.
I disagree actually. I think until next week at least, most gamers should be looking at unlocked Intel chips. In the budget space then Ryzen seems to match or edge Intel when overclocked. But when at stock Intel can still be quite strong or often better and not everyone is comfortable overclocking. But if you’re rocking an 8700K/9700K/9900K nothing from Zen or Zen+ can touch their gaming performance.

But gaming is what Ryzen is weakest at, what they are strongest at they blow Intel away.
 
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Boshum

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I disagree actually. I think until next week at least, most gamers should be looking at unlocked Intel chips. In the budget space then Ryzen seems to match or edge Intel when overclocked. But when at stock Intel can still be quite strong or often better and not everyone is comfortable overclocking. But if you’re rocking an 8700K/9700K/9900K nothing from Zen or Zen+ can touch their gaming performance.

But gaming is what Ryzen is weakest at, what they are strongest at they blow Intel away.
With the kind of graphics card 'most' gamers have? What kind of games? What resolution?
 

Shadowboxer

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With the kind of graphics card 'most' gamers have? What kind of games? What resolution?
I think I see what you are saying, if a user has a weak or midrange card then they will be bottlenecked by the card and not the CPU. But that doesn’t mean the Intel chips aren’t faster. What happens if you choose to upgrade your graphics card? You’ll wish you had the faster part for gaming then.

You can introduce all sorts of factors to make Ryzen or Intel look better but if you remove all bottlenecks then nothing touches the unlocked Intel chips at the moment. This isn’t really an opinion, I can link you articles where users have tested these CPUs with the fastest graphics cards around at 1080p and demonstrated that the Intel chips are indeed faster at running games.

Of course you’ll have to build what’s best for you. But if your primary objective is to build a gaming PC then the most desirable CPU comes from Intel at the moment. Probably only until next week.
 
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Boshum

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I think I see what you are saying, if a user has a weak or midrange card then they will be bottlenecked by the card and not the CPU. But that doesn’t mean the Intel chips aren’t faster. What happens if you choose to upgrade your graphics card? You’ll wish you had the faster part for gaming then.

You can introduce all sorts of factors to make Ryzen or Intel look better but if you remove all bottlenecks then nothing touches the unlocked Intel chips at the moment. This isn’t really an opinion, I can link you articles where users have tested these CPUs with the fastest graphics cards around at 1080p and demonstrated that the Intel chips are indeed faster at running games.

Of course you’ll have to build what’s best for you. But if your primary objective is to build a gaming PC then the most desirable CPU comes from Intel at the moment. Probably only until next week.
A gpu bottleneck is just one thing, but right there you've probably eliminated 90% of users who won't buy more than a GTX 1060. Now let's say you don't only singletask one game on the computer. I've run a 2nd game for crafting at the same time while casting a video or two the tv's for the family....and I'm just a casual user. The extra cpu grunt is useful for flexibility and system responsiveness if you aren't merely starting and stopping a game and nothing else. Then there is just the simple fact that at 1080p with a cpu bottleneck...the framerate is already so high and so smooth in most games that the only way most people can tell a difference is with benchmark numbers. Not saying always...just most of the time with most games. Not everyone plays shooty shooters on high refresh monitors.
 

Shadowboxer

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A gpu bottleneck is just one thing, but right there you've probably eliminated 90% of users who won't buy more than a GTX 1060. Now let's say you don't only singletask one game on the computer. I've run a 2nd game for crafting at the same time while casting a video or two the tv's for the family....and I'm just a casual user. The extra cpu grunt is useful for flexibility and system responsiveness if you aren't merely starting and stopping a game and nothing else. Then there is just the simple fact that at 1080p with a cpu bottleneck...the framerate is already so high and so smooth in most games that the only way most people can tell a difference is with benchmark numbers. Not saying always...just most of the time with most games. Not everyone plays shooty shooters on high refresh monitors.
Right but the Intel CPUs are still faster in games. And if you’re building a gaming rig then you’re going to want to have the fastest even if most of the time you are GPU limited. There are of course games that are CPU limited on a 1060. And if you plan to upgrade a 1060 then you’ll wish you had the faster parts for gaming. You seem to be making excuses and introducing scenarios to try and excuse the performance deficit AMD has in this area. I could tell you that you don’t need to buy a 2070 over a 2060 if you’re only gaming at 1080p because right now you won’t notice the difference. But that doesn’t mean one isn’t faster than the other. Zen2 is about to release and it will be significantly faster than Zen+ at gaming. But why buy it over Zen+ if you can’t tell the difference today?

But I think we should just agree to disagree. Looking back through the comments you seem to be quite desperate to shut down anyone who claims that Intel is faster for gaming. Despite the fact that it measurably is so. Everyone’s circumstances are unique, if a user wishes to look at the data and decides they don’t mind lesser gaming performance on ryzen because they believe their GPU isn’t powerful enough for them to notice then that’s their call. But that doesn’t change the fact that the most desirable CPUs for gaming are made from Intel. If you want the ultimate gaming box it has an Intel CPU in it.

If I were building a gaming box today (pre Zen2) is pick the 9700K as it’s measurably faster than anything from team red and not quite as expensive as the 9900K. If not then the 8700K which occasionally sells for very good prices.
 
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koblongata

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I've been waiting for Intel's 10 nm CPU for the best part of three years, but then I've been here a lot longer than you.

Point of fact, I won't even get involved with these arguments, until Intel either craps 10 nm parts, or gets off the pot.

Besides, I won't even build a new system if I'm forced to have Windows 10 to run it, and that's AMD or Intel.

Can we go back to politics now, pretty please?
Oh, you got me wrong, I waited because I really want these 7nm parts to be part of my new PC, and I think a lot of people do too, AMD surely is going to gain market share this time around.
 

Capaill

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I fricking hate conspiracy theories, but its something that has been bugging my mind for a few weeks now. On my main rig, (r5 1600x, rx 590) steam never asked me about the specs of my pc.

But on the budget PC I bought for my mother (pentium g4560, using the IGP) the survey poped up within 1 month.

Coincidence? Probably yes, but its interesting nonetheless.
It ran on my Ryzen PC yesterday.

I was also surprised at the relatively poor showing of AMD CPUs. I put it down to:
- Intel CPUs are better for pure gaming
- The older Intel CPUs are still very good for gaming, so there is little need for those people to change to AMD
- Lots of people cannot afford to get a new CPU and will stay on their old Intel CPU for a long time
- Lots of people cannot upgrade their CPU (laptops)
- Lots of people don't know how to upgrade a PC or don't want to risk it
 

Boshum

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There are of course games that are CPU limited on a 1060.
That parts right. Most of what you said is wrong or incomplete. Of course your last paragraph about your personal preferences was just fine for you. So yeah, we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
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Shadowboxer

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That parts right. Most of what you said is wrong or incomplete. Of course your last paragraph about your personal preferences was just fine for you. So yeah, we will just have to agree to disagree.
Actually what I said was correct. You are the one who is incorrect.

Chin up, you’ll get it one day mate.
 
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Lots of arguments using this small increase in Intel CPU use from this completely non-scientific Steam survey to argue that Intel chips are best for gaming (which independent of this survey is true). So that also means that the best (value?) video cards for gaming for Steam games are:

GeForce 1050Ti
GeForce 1050
GeForce 750Ti

Explain that one away.
 

Capaill

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Lots of arguments using this small increase in Intel CPU use from this completely non-scientific Steam survey to argue that Intel chips are best for gaming (which independent of this survey is true). So that also means that the best (value?) video cards for gaming for Steam games are:

GeForce 1050Ti
GeForce 1050
GeForce 750Ti

Explain that one away.
Probably the best value video card is the one you have :)
I won't even bother mentioning the second hand market because then all our theories go out the window.
 
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True. The increase in the numbers of these old and non-value cards is odd, though. Why weren't these being used in previous months? Even if purchased second hand, the original user was probably gaming on them, too. I recall that Steam booted a lot of (maybe Chinese?) users from the survey a few months ago which skewed the numbers for the following month. Perhaps this month's rather sudden shift in use is another internal change in Steam's reporting.
 
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Audiogeek

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that was the very best consumer chip Intel put out just two and a half years ago.
30 months ago in this business is a lifetime.
The 7700K can be had for $200 now, and it was not the very best consumer chip at the time, I believe the 6/12 7800X was.

No doubt in no small part to the fact Ryzen's software support is maturing, and Intel's performance is actively degrading with every security fix in Windows.
Agreed.

The obvious reason why AMD's CPU share has slipped back in this survey is a great many number of people are holding back on buying AMD upgrades because the Ryzen 3000 series are due soon. Count me as one of them.
While I admire your tenacity, people own the chips they do because of how they perform now.
I almost bought a 2700X but its still average when it comes to gaming, although it does damn well.
Personally I am pumped on the 3700X.
The 8/16 chips will be the battle worth watching, IMO those will be the new upper end norm, but the jury is still out.

If this is indeed the case and there are another bunch of faster AMD parts above this base model, we definitely WILL start seeing significant changes in these Steam survey results in the coming year!
You sir are an inspiration of hope, the 3000 series looks good so far.

Why do people who are literally clueless make such comments? It's like Trump's speech about global warming
Job Approval Under Trump: 50%
Job Approval Under Obama: 45%

Unemployment Rate Under Trump: 3.9%
Unemployment Rate Under Obama: 9.4%

Jobs Added Under Trump: 3.2 Million
Jobs Added Under Obama: -2.9 Million (as in negative)

1st Year Deficit Under Trump: 665 Billion
1st Year Deficit Under Obama: 1.4 Trillion

GDP Growth Under Trump: 4.1%
GDP Growth Under Obama: 1.6%


Don't be so protective over a brand, learn to think neutrally.
You got a source for those numbers? not trying to be comvbative but I smell B.S. I don't recall unemployment being nearly 10 percent except maybe during the 2008 financial crisis ( which happened under Bush) Maybe youre referring to the first few months Obama was in office?
 

loki1944

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It's not surprising at all to see AMD drop in a Steam survey.
While other software is available on Steam now, lets be honest, its a gaming platform mostly used for gaming.
Well, Intel's chips are better in games.
If I am remembering correctly, even the new Ryzen 3000 showed to still be behind or next to the lowly 4/8 7700K. That's great that these chips have enhanced IPC and they look good, but until they game as good or better, these Steam results won't change.
While all the various benchmarks look good in a review, in all reality not many people care about encoding or file conversion, or multitasking, or file zipping performance. All chips do those things well these days.
Steamers want gaming chips over all.
No, Zen 2 will be directly competing against 9th gen Intel CPUs. Especially the 9900k and 9700k. Based on the recent leaked benchmark, the Ryzen 5 3600 is ever so slightly behind the 9900k. Quite close in IPC performance. A 3700x would be a significant head to head match against the 9900k.
Except 99.9% of gamers couldn't care less about high end cpus. Hence why 27% on the survey are dual core and 53% are quad.
 

loki1944

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"Windows 10 continues to cement its dominance after rising over three points last month to 70.92 percent, while Windows 7’s impending end of support date saw it fall to just 1 percent."

Not sure if this is intentional or not, but W7 still holds 22.34%, not 1%.

W7 64bit =21.34% + W7 =1% -> 22.34%.
 

HenrySomeone

TS Rookie
Despite all the hum-hum about Ryzens this and Ryzens that, they can't get any noteworthy foothold in the market and it's not hard to see why - they are just way behind in single thread from even average Intel chips like 9400f, not to mention the higher-end k ones + even further behind in gaming because of crap latencies and whatnot. And as some have pointed out, fast 4-core or only more recently, 6-core performance is preferable for like 90%+ home users to 8/16 skus with sub-par per-core results. And I don't expect the upcoming 3000 series to change that at all, at least until prices drop to current 2000 levels, but even then, those X570 boards are just ridiculously overpriced for features almost noone will need for a couple more years and as for cheaper B550 ones, well they're nowhere in sight at all, lol
 
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Boshum

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Despite all the hum-hum about Ryzens this and Ryzens that, they can't get any noteworthy foothold in the market and it's not hard to see why - they are just way behind in single thread from even average Intel chips like 9400f, not to mention the higher-end k ones + even further behind in gaming because of crap latencies and whatnot. And as some have pointed out, fast 4-core or only more recently, 6-core performance is preferable for like 90%+ home users to 8/16 skus with sub-par per-core results. And I don't expect the upcoming 3000 series to change that at all, at least until prices drop to current 2000 levels, but even then, those X570 boards are just ridiculously overpriced for features almost noone will need for a couple more years and as for cheaper B550 ones, well they're nowhere in sight at all, lol


Sigh. From this sites very own 9400F vs 2600X review.
 
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Shadowboxer

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Lots of arguments using this small increase in Intel CPU use from this completely non-scientific Steam survey to argue that Intel chips are best for gaming (which independent of this survey is true). So that also means that the best (value?) video cards for gaming for Steam games are:

GeForce 1050Ti
GeForce 1050
GeForce 750Ti

Explain that one away.
I wouldn’t say I’ve read any comments on here from anyone saying that the tiny increase in Intel usage is because Intel is better at gaming. Although as you say, Intel is better for gaming and this is measurable (and noticeable in more cases than some like to admit). But I think what the consensus generally is that Steam users ratio of Intel to AMD CPUs is 4:1 because of a combination of factors, mistrust in AMD, the fact that Ryzen has only been around for 2 years and that most people on Intel quads simply don’t need to upgrade, users spending a lot on a rig will typically buy a K series Intel if it’s for gaming. Ryzen isn’t bad for gaming by any measure but it’s demonstrably it’s least competitive aspect. If you’re buying a pure gaming rig, at least until next week the faster options come from Intel and for AMD to be faster in a value sense requires overclocking, which a lot of users won’t be comfortable doing.

As for those video cards, well those listed are cheap entry level graphics cards that can slot into any rig with no power supply upgrade. They also happen to be available in many sub $1000 laptops which is where I think most of them are.
 
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