You sounded like you were implying they should be free.
ie:
I bought an ice cream cone and had to pay "extra" for the chocolate topping.
MacBook Pro owner beats Apple in court over faulty 8600M GT
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You sounded like you were implying they should be free.
ie:
I bought an ice cream cone and had to pay "extra" for the chocolate topping.
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Thank god Apple is not trendy at all anymore; what a ridiculous company.
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Even better, any kind of ram is compatible with apple's ram...yeah the $40 one too.
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Shame on Apple, they should be looking after their customers not trying to shaft them.
Night Hacker
Posts: 125 +20
And this is why I use a PC (built myself) and not Apple. 
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Ok apple is the rip of and microsoft isnt with the $400 software that you can use to buy a whole laptop.
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Maybe it's a matter of "No, we decided he wasn't going to receive a repair, and we *meant* it."
Everybody who's saying "Hey, we've all had an *awesome* experience when we've had to bring back a defective product," is telling the truth---until that one time Apple tells them "No" and they may or may not have an actual defective product as the man in the article did.
It seems to boil down to "We're not going to give him a repair" and the guy says "Yes you are" to which Apple responds "No, you're not, and don't contest it" while secretly thinking to themselves ("Hm, we said "No," if this guy wins his case, then we'll have to actually do it, and if that happens and other customers see us actually being *wrong*, then our "No" won't mean so much anymore and anybody will be able to contest our decision in open court and we may actually have to fix a *lot* of computers or something under warranty against our will.")
Which sounds like a dangerous precedent for a company who is heralded by their stock-holders and consumers alike for being visionary, "Gods-amongst-mortals"-level developers who believe themselves to be above questioning anymore. Ya' know, egotistical show-boaters.
Everybody who's saying "Hey, we've all had an *awesome* experience when we've had to bring back a defective product," is telling the truth---until that one time Apple tells them "No" and they may or may not have an actual defective product as the man in the article did.
It seems to boil down to "We're not going to give him a repair" and the guy says "Yes you are" to which Apple responds "No, you're not, and don't contest it" while secretly thinking to themselves ("Hm, we said "No," if this guy wins his case, then we'll have to actually do it, and if that happens and other customers see us actually being *wrong*, then our "No" won't mean so much anymore and anybody will be able to contest our decision in open court and we may actually have to fix a *lot* of computers or something under warranty against our will.")
Which sounds like a dangerous precedent for a company who is heralded by their stock-holders and consumers alike for being visionary, "Gods-amongst-mortals"-level developers who believe themselves to be above questioning anymore. Ya' know, egotistical show-boaters.
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Build your own PC for $2,000 and get more than twice the power of that $4,000 Mac.
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You're right, there was a reason they did it- and it wasn't some secret reason like the blogger pissed them off. It was to squash him like a bug so no one else that has been shafted out of repairs (by the 800 number Apple support guys following the scripts which are designed to do just that) get's the idea they can do the same thing.
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At least you get a laptop that has current tech for a decent price aven after you add $400.
With a Macbook you get last years tech for $400 more than it's worth. Unless you want to spend $2500, then you will get the same tech as $1000 PC. But with a smaller hard drive and 4 gigs of memory- and really smooth lines. I guess that really does make it worth it. lol
If Microsoft is a ripoff, what does that make these guys?
And which software do you have to have that costs $400 again? Sounds like you don't know how to shop very well.
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And the Apple sheep come out of the woodwork to apologize and spin like the best paid marketers. Apple have gotten smacked down in Europe for not communicating their legal obligated warranty lengths, and are getting smacked down in Australia for advertising a 4G capability that isn't. Only the faithful sheep think they're immune, and when they aren't (as in the Nvidia bumpgate fiasco right here) the rest of the sheep pile scorn on anyone that dare defile their perfect brand or even worse, their greedy, selfish messiah.
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Well done to Rex for winning his case against Apple.
I run a UK forum dedicated to this very problem and I see bully boy tactics like this all the time.
Some retailers seem to care more about their own profits and let their customers proceed as far as the Small Claims Courts rather than settle a claim for an inherently defective laptop.
Having been involved with the Nvidia defect for over three years now I can safely say that this problem is affecting far more models of laptop than the manufacturers would like you to believe.
Aside from the defective Nvidia GPU's that were manufactured there is another problem raising its ugly head and this is to do with the BGA (Ball Grid Array) that bonds the GPU to the mainboard.
Due to ROHS regulations (Restriction Of Hazardous Substances) manufacturers have had to remove certain metals from their products.
These metals include mercury, cadmium and, most importantly, lead. It is as a direct result of the removal of the lead from the lead based solder that there are failures occurring, in huge numbers, in laptops containing ATI GPU's and other Nvidia GPU's.
The HP 6735s is one such model affected by this defect and there are many more.
What amazes me is that repairs are being carried out to these products by the manufacturers when there can be no real guarantee's that the replacement parts will not also be inherently defective.
Try asking for a written guarantee, when offered a repair, that the parts to be used will be free from the defect. You can bet that the retailer or manufacturer will refuse such a request.
It is my opinion that we are only at the bottom of a very big iceberg of failures yet to occur.
Simply Google "Nvidia defect forum" (no quotes) for more information.
Well done again to rex.
Best wishes
Paul
The Nvidia Defect Forum
I run a UK forum dedicated to this very problem and I see bully boy tactics like this all the time.
Some retailers seem to care more about their own profits and let their customers proceed as far as the Small Claims Courts rather than settle a claim for an inherently defective laptop.
Having been involved with the Nvidia defect for over three years now I can safely say that this problem is affecting far more models of laptop than the manufacturers would like you to believe.
Aside from the defective Nvidia GPU's that were manufactured there is another problem raising its ugly head and this is to do with the BGA (Ball Grid Array) that bonds the GPU to the mainboard.
Due to ROHS regulations (Restriction Of Hazardous Substances) manufacturers have had to remove certain metals from their products.
These metals include mercury, cadmium and, most importantly, lead. It is as a direct result of the removal of the lead from the lead based solder that there are failures occurring, in huge numbers, in laptops containing ATI GPU's and other Nvidia GPU's.
The HP 6735s is one such model affected by this defect and there are many more.
What amazes me is that repairs are being carried out to these products by the manufacturers when there can be no real guarantee's that the replacement parts will not also be inherently defective.
Try asking for a written guarantee, when offered a repair, that the parts to be used will be free from the defect. You can bet that the retailer or manufacturer will refuse such a request.
It is my opinion that we are only at the bottom of a very big iceberg of failures yet to occur.
Simply Google "Nvidia defect forum" (no quotes) for more information.
Well done again to rex.
Best wishes
Paul
The Nvidia Defect Forum
Marnomancer
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You know, this is why I prefer DIY builds. I've come to despise nearly all OEM companies as such. When I start my own company (hopefully), I'll keep that in mind, for ethical reasons, and to remain good in the eye of the tech-community.
But as a footnote, I never found Apple to be a "jerk"...in fact, the customer support is quite good. Or maybe it's because I'm answered by a girl with a charming voice.
And, we're only hearing one part of the story, i.e., Rex's. Maybe the whole case isn't what it seems to be.
But as a footnote, I never found Apple to be a "jerk"...in fact, the customer support is quite good. Or maybe it's because I'm answered by a girl with a charming voice.
And, we're only hearing one part of the story, i.e., Rex's. Maybe the whole case isn't what it seems to be.
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I've been a tech for over 20 years and this seems to be the norm. Not just for Apple but for Toshiba and Sony as well over the years. I'll bet Steve is turning over in his grave.
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Maybe you were holding it wrong.
I've never owned a Mac..Don't intend to break that streak...ever!
I build all my own desktops and I bought a Dell Vostro from their outlet store 3 years ago...never had a problem I didn't create...read...I had to replace the keyboard and hdd due to a "high frustration" moment and pounded on the keyboard thus breaking several keys and irreparably damaging the hdd so it wasn't bootable. MY FAULT and lesson learned and had to learn how to disassemble a Vostro 1520....so now I replace heatsink thermal paste and gpu thermal paste every 6 months to a year and the machine is stable, rock solid, and does all I need it to do at about 1/8 th of the price you gave for that $4000 dollar Mac with the added bonus of being able to repair it myself for cheap.
No issues with service from DELL...have service code...and I LOVE windows...don't use ipod...iphone...imac...or anything else apple including appletalk or quicktime!
I've used a couple for experience at school but that's it....If I want to get some work done...I fire up my laptop or desktop...enjoy the windows boot and logo...and off I go in word....excel....access...or adobe.
Roughly 90% of all software and hardware is run on some version of windows...makes for the most availibility and compatibility.
I like Microsoft and I like windows..except windows 8...I've seen all those carrying on about a new O/S every couple of years....that occurs because of compatiblity with current code writers...XHTML and Flash and on and on...the need for better code, better graphics, better Flash and interoperability of the web coding is what drives the need for speedier rendering and cross platform compatibility as people keep demanding faster load times which equates to more productivity...
less we forget...as we have ALL been taught...time is MONEY. Investors want the Highest ROI possible and won't settle for anything less.
So Mac...see ya.
I build all my own desktops and I bought a Dell Vostro from their outlet store 3 years ago...never had a problem I didn't create...read...I had to replace the keyboard and hdd due to a "high frustration" moment and pounded on the keyboard thus breaking several keys and irreparably damaging the hdd so it wasn't bootable. MY FAULT and lesson learned and had to learn how to disassemble a Vostro 1520....so now I replace heatsink thermal paste and gpu thermal paste every 6 months to a year and the machine is stable, rock solid, and does all I need it to do at about 1/8 th of the price you gave for that $4000 dollar Mac with the added bonus of being able to repair it myself for cheap.
No issues with service from DELL...have service code...and I LOVE windows...don't use ipod...iphone...imac...or anything else apple including appletalk or quicktime!
I've used a couple for experience at school but that's it....If I want to get some work done...I fire up my laptop or desktop...enjoy the windows boot and logo...and off I go in word....excel....access...or adobe.
Roughly 90% of all software and hardware is run on some version of windows...makes for the most availibility and compatibility.
I like Microsoft and I like windows..except windows 8...I've seen all those carrying on about a new O/S every couple of years....that occurs because of compatiblity with current code writers...XHTML and Flash and on and on...the need for better code, better graphics, better Flash and interoperability of the web coding is what drives the need for speedier rendering and cross platform compatibility as people keep demanding faster load times which equates to more productivity...
less we forget...as we have ALL been taught...time is MONEY. Investors want the Highest ROI possible and won't settle for anything less.
So Mac...see ya.
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The NVIDIA GeForce 8600m looks to be a bigger problem for macbook pro than apple wants to admit. I have the same problem it won't start up and after checking on a lot of site it appears to be fairly common I hope someone does do a class action law suit. It not about free stuff it about fitting a know problem. I'm in sales and if we have a problem we fit at out cost.
RubinOnRye
Posts: 58 +3
Your incorrect. I work as a computer tech for my own business and not all memory is compatible. I have seen RAM that says it's compatible and the Apple computer still won't recognize it.
No matter if you buy a mac or a pc you still need to buy a software. Office isn't free and both computers need an AV. Microsoft includes a free word processor with your computer called Word Pad, NOT NOTEPAD.
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Hahaha. Just wait until your next iDevice "legitimately" stops working and apple tells you that its your fault. And you have to pay even more. )
But I guess you would probably just pay anyways because your a money tree farmer)
)But I guess you would probably just pay anyways because your a money tree farmer
)
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Any luck with the class action suit? I'm currently fighting with Apple over this same issue...not fun
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Apple are merciless always
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I had this graphics chip on my Macbook Pro Santa Rosa fail 4 months after the 4 year extended warranty expired. My local (UK) Apple store diagnosed it, though it wouldn't boot, and gave me an Applecare number to call. They said it's past the warranty, but we'll fit you a new mainboard for free. Overnight. No Charge at all. 720GBP worth. That was 15 months ago, and it's run flawlessly since.
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