And in the meantime, they cannot get their diesel engines to pass US emissions tests without cheating on the tests.Volkswagen has done this before with the Phaeton to demonstrate what could be technically done.....and they done did it...again.
It's a top speed car, in every other category other super cars are superior.
You only mentioned straight-line speed, nothing else.Its faster to 60 than a P1, faster to 100 than..well anything else. Has more HP than most, that alone negates your comment
Skidpad G's, turn in, oversteer, understeer, weight per HP, HP distribution, aerodynamics, handling (this has about 4 sub categories), braking, ergonomics, etc, etc.Like how exactly? .
you obviously make assumptions. The Veyron excelled at all of the above. it beat the much leaner Pagani and others around the track at top gear ( driven by Michael Schumacher) the brakes were second only to the Ferrari FXX and as far as aerodynamics...are you kidding?? A car that went 271mph with nary a shudder by definition has exceptional aerodynamics. And all while being an 'extreme luxury auto' I might say its a lot easier to strip a car to nothing but a shell with bare floor pans and a plastic windscreen (see Lamborghini) and have it perform than a leather seated, 14 speaker, electric seat etc and have it perform. and by the way...2.5 sec to 62. not even the McLaren P-1 did that so I really do not see where you get any traction calling the "two ton pig" an underperformer. The mere fact that it out performed cars half its weight makes it an engineering marvelYou only mentioned straight-line speed, nothing else.
There are about 15 categories.
Skidpad G's, turn in, oversteer, understeer, weight per HP, HP distribution, aerodynamics, handling (this has about 4 sub categories), braking, ergonomics, etc, etc.
The Veyron was a heavy pig @ over two tons in weight and was all over the track; and got its butt kicked by cars with much less HP, maybe this one is much lighter? I hope so.
Great in a straight line, but on a track? No.
It did ok.you obviously make assumptions. The Veyron excelled at all of the abovel
It did ok.
It's too heavy to excell at all of those above, which is why its not top 5/top 10 in many handling categories, if it weren't for its ridiculous power making up for some shortcomings it would be slower, many cars take corners faster/handle better.
Before this turns into a tif-taf, rest assured that I love all sports cars, am not brand loyal to anything. I had a 2V Mustang, LT1 and LS1 Camaro and now have a 5.0 Coyote.
The Bugatti's are world class cars with world class performance, but when its 1100lbs heavier then say, a P1, its not going to handle anywhere as nice. In fact, its weight to HP is nothing special.
It's skidpad and slalom numbers aren't top 5/10.Well if we lived in a world where 'it was so' because amstech said so, you would be be set. un fortunately that is not how it works. Engineering is a wonderful thing and your assumptions regarding the weight of the Veyron re false.
To put things into perspective, as an 8-second car the 2016 Cobra Jet Mustang is on par with your "run of the mill" 2,000 HP Underground Racing Twin Turbo Gallardo, and that's pretty rarefied air.
The MSRP for the base 2016 Cobra Jet is $99,990, whereas the graphics option and the wheelie bar cost $1,995 apiece.
That makes no sense, you obviously did not pay any attention to the zonda comparison, and it does not matter the weight if it handles and covers the course flat and fast. you choose to ignore the numbers nd performance for your built in bias. You pre supposed it would not perform, I put up facts that it does and you on a childish vein are now disregarding the fact that it does perform with the best hyper cars because you don't want to be wrong. 'Skidpad' or not. It beats most supercars in most all categories. makes no difference if it carries 500 K more weight or not.It's skidpad and slalom numbers aren't top 5/10.
It's too heavy.
For a much cheaper price, you can get cars alot faster in the 1/4.
A Mustang CobraJet, albeit a purpose built drag car, is still a factory car anyone can buy that costs MUCH less and runs a faster 1/4. Its lighter and setup to pull from a stop.
http://www.carscoops.com/2015/11/fords-8-sec-14-mile-2016-cobra-jet.html
Think the Cobra is about 1000HP.
Gravity cannot be disregarded, lol.
But not on a skidpad, slalom, turn in or 1/4.The Veyron was not ever intended to be the lightest. It was intended to be the fastest and holds the record in many other categories.
That makes no sense, you obviously did not pay any attention to the zonda comparison, and it does not matter the weight if it handles and covers the course flat and fast. you choose to ignore the numbers nd performance for your built in bias. You pre supposed it would not perform, I put up facts that it does and you on a childish vein are now disregarding the fact that it does perform with the best hyper cars because you don't want to be wrong. 'Skidpad' or not. It beats most supercars in most all categories. makes no difference if it carries 500 K more weight or not.
This 'skidpad that you hang your whole argument around is just silly. It performs ..or it does not. .Your mustang argument is just silly. a pruies is lighter as well and a lot of cars are. you know damn well that's not what you are paying for when you purchase a supercars. most "lighter" and cheaper cars wont go 270 mph, accel to 100 in 4.9 sec, run the track at v1.14 sec, have a drag cof of .37, 0-60 in 2.2 sec,
Your "too heavy" argument is a ridiculous non starter. The Veyron was not ever intended to be the lightest. It was intended to be the fastest and holds the record in many other categories. It is a super performing luxury car that despite its "extra weight" gets to 60,100,150, and 270mph faster than any other car. including its peers of significantly less weight.. I have not seen someone argue so much in the face of being proven wrong just because they didn't want to be wrong. your arguments are specious at best.. I don't car how much it weighs. 0-60 in 2.2 seconds is still 0-60 in 2.2 seconds...not to mention it stops as fast as its lighter counterparts. ..see that's the engineering genius that is the Veyron.
But you keep right on denying the facts if it makes you feel better.
Hmm 7th place ain't too bad.....apparently it is not.
- Pagani Huayra 01:13.8
- BAC Mono 01:14.3
- Ariel Atom V8 500 (Moist) 01:15.1
- Lamborghini Huracan 01:15.8
- McLaren MP4-12C 01:16.2
- Lamborghini Aventador 01:16.5
- Bugatti Veyron Super Sport 01:16.8
I do love a good debate though.