Microsoft accused of deceiving people into upgrading to Windows 10 with updated pop-up
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Trillionsin
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For all the complaints, just google search it and find yourself a fix. There's pretty much a fix for everything in here that people are complaining about. So what you have to modify the OS, I've been modifying my OS since I was using Windows 95, when I was what, maybe like 15 years old? Using Microangelo icon editor to make my own cursors and icons. It's a simple example, but geez. There's two sides, people who know how to use computers and people who just make them work just enough to frustrate themselves.
Edit: Microangelo may have been XP. I'm unsure, it was quite awhile back now. lol
Double Edit: No, I was right: http://www.microangelo.us/icon-tools/icon-editor-example.asp
Edit: Microangelo may have been XP. I'm unsure, it was quite awhile back now. lol
Double Edit: No, I was right: http://www.microangelo.us/icon-tools/icon-editor-example.asp
Ziffel
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Because you can modify it doesn't mean people should stop complaining. Complaints, and enough of them, are what get companies to change their ways. Microsoft, rest assured, is observing user response to their changes, and seeing what they can get away with. The more they are allowed now, the more they will take in the future.
Because you can modify it now doesn't mean you'll be able to modify it next year. Here's an example: in Win 7/8 you could reject 'recommended' updates, in Win 10 you no longer can. I could understand forcing users to accept critical security updates, but removing the ability to reject unwanted (once optional) updates is just one way MS is slowly taking away control from the end user.
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Trillionsin
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Yes, I understand your point. Complaining here won't get a response from Microsoft. Microsoft will be much slower to implement any change that has been complained about enough. I'd rather not wait on them. Let's face it, they do what they want anyways and listen to minimal complaints, if any from industry not from end users. However, I suppose I just have a negative view on that. Maybe someone who works for Microsoft will see the complaining here. ^_^
Ziffel
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They don't necessarily need to. Complaints here are seen by Techspot authors, Techspot editors, and by other readers. Ideas and opinions tend to spread, and public opinion can reach a 'critical mass'. MS will eventually see it. You're right in that complaining here *alone* isn't going to sway MS, but widespread complaints may.
alexnode
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C'mon dinosaurs upgrade to 10. It's the best windows by far. And you will save £120 too. It won't be long before things will stop working on 7 ... and windows 7 looks ancient.
Have an ubuntu flash drive too if you want privacy. We tested one machine last year it worked and we upgraded all the computers. It is good and faster than 10.
IT is a big problem when people don't upgrade, fragmentation is not good for anyone.
Have an ubuntu flash drive too if you want privacy. We tested one machine last year it worked and we upgraded all the computers. It is good and faster than 10.
IT is a big problem when people don't upgrade, fragmentation is not good for anyone.
cliffordcooley
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Then tell Microsoft, they are the ones that created the fragmentation. Don't push the blame on users, if they choose not to upgrade every two years.
Ziffel
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Ziffel
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Not only that, but this fragmentation has existed since Windows '95. It has always been a part of Windows OS. Some upgrade, some don't. Now all of a sudden, it's a huge important issue that MS must solve to stay afloat? haha, right.
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Raoul Duke
I actually use windows 10....and think their practices and design philosophy are rubbish. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves, but they are too busy counting their money in the executive departments to care too much and at the lower end, they are just happy to have a job
captaincranky
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Dinosaurs, really? That's kind of rude. It does fit a pattern I've been seeing here recently.
That's where a noob comes in a tries to ram Win 10 down our throats, ostensibly for several reasons.
1; They work for M$
2: They've swallowed M$' BS and propaganda hook, line and sinker.
3: they think they're so hip, so trendy, and so cool, and in a fit of "humanitarian largess", feel compelled to share that with the rest of the world. (That behaviour is both boring and annoying, but it never seems to bother the person undertaking it).
4: They enjoy M$ ramming their new OS down their throats as they are incapable of making decisions on their own.
5: They've already installed Windows 10, they're unhappy about all the data mining, and "misery love company.
Windows 7 doesn't look ancient to me. All you have to do is change the wallpaper to a bunch of naked girls. Unless of course, you're not into that sort of thing.. In which case, you should use sexual metaphors for wallpaper, like they did in the movies. You know, ,trains going into tunnels, that sort of thing.
Ziffel
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I thought him saying that it "looked ancient" was a really bizarre thing to say, and quite a reach. It smells like a shill comment. Win 7, IMHO, looks natively better than Win 10 (no store, no "modern" apps, no crap start menu), and can be made to look just about any way you want it with themes and other fancy 3rd party customizations like Rainmeter.
"no store, no "modern" apps, no crap start menu". I visited the Windows app store a couple of days ago and eventually found a really good app. Unfortunately I couldn't at first find what I wanted and then on Google I found a link to let me download the app. It was really good. I tried a number of higly rated alternatives in the Store and they were horrendous pieces of "software" riddled with adverts. When I compared what I'd found with the apps for iPad the Windows version was way better. It's the failure to get apps established that is holding things back. They are often not reviewed at all or even worse the reviews are clearly not impartial. I'm sure the majority like me forget about the apps in the Windows store. However, if Microsoft draw our attention to it we get upset about being pestered and spam. They can't win. 
As for the Start menu I just use it and don't notice the "crap."
As for the Start menu I just use it and don't notice the "crap."
DAOWAce
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Or maybe I've been selectively installing Windows updates for the last 15 years, and have none of the telemetry or W10 ones on my or my families systems, and never will.
Just a thought.
Also, what crack would that be? For research purposes.
captaincranky
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Well, I'm one of those "leeches" who is accustomed to being able to get outstanding apps for free. "ImgBurn", VLC Player, DVDfab, DVD Shrink, Screen Hunter, CCleaner, and I expect dozens of others are available. So, that curtails the need for M$' "app store" to some degree. Any imaging software I have comes from (paid for) from Adobe."no store, no "modern" apps, no crap start menu". I visited the Windows app store a couple of days ago and eventually found a really good app. Unfortunately I couldn't at first find what I wanted and then on Google I found a link to let me download the app. It was really good. I tried a number of higly rated alternatives in the Store and they were horrendous pieces of "software" riddled with adverts. When I compared what I'd found with the apps for iPad the Windows version was way better. It's the failure to get apps established that is holding things back. They are often not reviewed at all or even worse the reviews are clearly not impartial. I'm sure the majority like me forget about the apps in the Windows store. However, if Microsoft draw our attention to it we get upset about being pestered and spam. They can't win.
As I understand it, "Windows Media Center" is no longer included with the OS. (If true), That's quite a ripoff, wouldn't you say? When you consider that either Firefox, (and I should have my mouth washed out with soap for saying this), or Chrome are both free, and superior to either M$ browser, I'm considering the the M$ "app store" is superflous garbage, at least to the extent of an average person's needs.
"These kids today", are conditioned to the fact the Android simply doesn't do squat, without downloading some stupid app for chores as absurd as ordering coffee from Starbucks. As a matter of course, whatever M$ takes out of the basic OS, pretty much isn't noticed by then cell phone set, who are conditioned to be ripped of every time that they want their precious "smart phone" to actually do something.
If I'm wrong here, please let me know.
The app I was impressed with is TV France Free but it's not likely to be of interest to anybody else on the forum. Put that in the Search box in the Windows Store and the app doesn't show up. Not impressive Microsoft. Another app I tried insisted on my watching a 30sec trailer for Alice in Wonderland everytime I tried to tune to a new station. Most apps are either free or pretty cheap - unfortunately it shows. I suppose that Microsoft are happy to get anything to stock the store. Apps make the difference between W7 and W10. If the Store had plenty of them, properly vetted and well written, Windows 7 would have been out of favour by now.
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DJMIKE25
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So you're worried about Windows Media Center, but you use vlc player? Why wouldn't the lack of windows media center be an issue. Have you actually tried windows 10, I'm just curious? I really don't care either way, but I always wonder if the one's who find reasons not to upgrade give anything newer than what they have a chance. I get the "what I have currently works perfect and I have no reason to upgrade" line, but PC's are all about innovation. They are supposed to give you the freedom to download that app to make this or that work the way you want. Why be passionate about PC's if you want something completely proprietary.
captaincranky
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You probably haven't heard of it, but there's this thing called, "freedom of choice". I use both VLC and WMC, particularly in a PC with a TV tuner installed. The Media Center TV guide is pretty damned good.
Well, no I haven't, nor do I intend to. What I've also missed out on, is having my PCs order me to upgrade to Windows 10, and I plan to keep it that way. Nor am I stupid enough to "update" my Windows 7 machines to allow M$ to install Windows 10 telemetry into them, "for free", and "out of the goodness of its black heart".
What I am is an old man, who doesn't give a flying snot about how "innovative" you think you are, by following the herd. "into the future".
Here's some psychological insight into "Siri" and "Cortana". Both men and women instinctively respond to a woman's voice, since it represents the maternal. All you visionaries have "progressed far enough", that you gone back to needing your mother to make appointments for you, wake you up, pretend to give a **** about and you, and whatnot.
Guess what, I even turn the sound track off on porn. If I feel the need for a woman's voice, I have a sufficient collection of CDs (yes actual CDs), to listen to with women's voices on them. They won't make appointments for me, but to the upside, when I get tired of the pseudo-nagging, I just walk over and hit "stop".
Call me "stone age" (neolithic), if you must, but I'm not the guy whimpering about telemetry, bright red "get Windows 10" banners floating across my monitors, or anything else.
If it were just for the sake of arguing with you, a free copy of Ubuntu would fill my simple needs, and both you and Nadella could both go.....
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DJMIKE25
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I think you are just angry, about who knows what, whether you care about my opinion or not. Why even post in a forum, if you could care less about the responses. I am also not following a herd. I work for an IT company, it is kind of my job to test out and be informed about these "Innovations". I don't need to be innovative to believe that technological advancements are "Innovative", which if they are not, I will admit they are not. If Ubuntu fills your needs then why don't you just use it and forgo all of the ads and endless upgrades, problem solved.
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captaincranky
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Brace yourself, you are about to become the recipient one of my infamous, "what can't I shoot the messenger", posts.
First of all, never confuse "caring about your opinion", with "embracing your opinion". And never give an opinion, with the expectation of having someone acquiesce to it. That will only leave you disappointed.
Second, why on earth would any "angry, (ostensibly not in their right mind) person", pass up on the chance to inflict their opinion on those they disagree with, for the sake of humoring them. "Oh gee, I better not post because I disagree with people', curtails my own 1st amendment rights, and gives you leave to assume " victory", or, "moral superiority", or whatever delusions of grandeur you might instill in yourself.
OK, so you've been "corralled" into leading the herd, my bad..
("Corralled into leading", that's going to be my best oxymoron of the day).Well, because I use a vertical monitor for the interwebz, in order to have a longer "page". (You know, like a legal size pad). Ubuntu's desktop runs the task bar vertically, which chews up valuable page real estate. (Since we're now only dealing the 1080 pixels horizontal). I'm not really "progressive enough" to care about finding out if that can be changed, Thus here I am, the same wonderful person who brought you that last wonderful post on, may it live forever, Windows XP! (Oops, I meant Windows 7).
I read Huxley's, "Brave New World, well over four decades ago. Supposedly, he was joking. Unfortunately, we have become exactly what he predicted, a frivolous, mind numb, trend following caricature of a species, with our focus on "reality TV, "tweeting", "Facebook", and mindless "entertainment news programs". We haven't perfected "Soma" yet, but we do have tons of high grade heroin, from our "victory" in Afghanistan, along with plenty of "Delta Minus semi-morons" to push it.. There's plenty about today to be "angry" about, don't trivialize mine.
DJMIKE25
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Brace yourself, you are about to become the recipient one of my infamous, "what can't I shoot the messenger", posts.
First of all, never confuse "caring about your opinion", with "embracing your opinion". And never give an opinion, with the expectation of having someone acquiesce to it. That will only leave you disappointed.
Second, why on earth would any "angry, (ostensibly not in their right mind) person", pass up on the chance to inflict their opinion on those they disagree with, for the sake of humoring them. "Oh gee, I better not post because I disagree with people', curtails my own 1st amendment rights, and gives you leave to assume " victory", or, "moral superiority", or whatever delusions of grandeur you might instill in yourself.
OK, so you've been "corralled" into leading the herd, my bad..
Well, because I use a vertical monitor for the interwebz, in order to have a longer "page". (You know, like a legal size pad). Ubuntu's desktop runs the task bar vertically, which chews up valuable page real estate. (Since we're now only dealing the 1080 pixels horizontal). I'm not really "progressive enough" to care about finding out if that can be changed, Thus here I am, the same wonderful person who brought you that last wonderful post on, may it live forever, Windows XP! (Oops, I meant Windows 7).
I read Huxley's, "Brave New World, well over four decades ago. Supposedly, he was joking. Unfortunately, we have become exactly what he predicted, a frivolous, mind numb, trend following caricature of a species, with our focus on "reality TV, "tweeting", "Facebook", and mindless "entertainment news programs". We haven't perfected "Soma" yet, but we do have tons of high grade heroin, from our "victory" in Afghanistan, along with plenty of "Delta Minus semi-morons" to push it.. There's plenty about today to be "angry" about, don't trivialize mine.
Point taken. My goal wasn't to judge merely inquire about why you are against the "Upgrades". From your well explained posts, I get your point. I run into them everyday at work. I was just curious which type of person you are when it comes to it. Though it is a grim outlook of the world, it is mostly the truth. Though, I disagree with being corralled into anything, as witty as the comment is. Everyone has the right to an opinion, without them there would only be boring discussions.
Darth Shiv
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Errr you need to read the article again.
Darth Shiv
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Because it has spyware and a keylogger enabled by default for one. Anyone who says otherwise can never refute this when you ask them about the T&C that Win10 captures arbitrary typed data. They never refute that arbitrary includes potentially password fields or you writing sensitive information on your computer or commercially sensitive information in word documents etc. There is no reason for this to be on by default.
Here is a direct quote from the T&C:
They should never use arbitrary typed text for autocomplete. This is horrendous security practice. There should be a lawsuit for this.
Windows made it's mark by being a productivity tool and one we can trust. It is not supposed to be the same as Android or iOS. Microsoft are trying to make it a hybrid. Myself like many other Windows users want to use it for business productivity and for it to be secure by default. Not some modern social networking experiment with voice recording, analytics about my actions recorded by default. And my data being partially captured and analysed by Microsoft analytics.
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