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Microsoft killed cross-platform project because PC gamers wrecked console gamers

By Matthew ยท 114 replies
Jul 22, 2010
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  1. @ Johny47 Uhh, No. I don't know what **** you're smoking but you're blatantly wrong. Gaming started on the Console and always has been the best. Who the hell would want to spend $2000 on a PC and upgrade it every other week just to play games? No-one in their right mind.
  2. PanicX

    PanicX TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 669

  3. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,635   +697

    "Gaming started on the Console and always has been the best."

    LOL...that's pretty funny. Played a Wii lately?

    And spending $2000 on a PC and upgrading every week? Only if you're a complete *****. In the long run it costs plenty more to play on an XBox/PS3 than a computer. You can build a gaming PC that will run anything at top levels for $800-$1000 and last you 4 years. Games are 20% cheaper on the PC, you don't have to buy subscriptions to play online, you get player created DLC that you don't with consoles, you don't have to buy an entire new console if it goes belly-up (I know people who have had to buy FOUR X/Boxes over the years because of the red ring of death), etc.

    You can try and brag up consoles are better than PC's, but you're going to get the smack down each and every time because any avid gamer knows the truth. Especially on these boards. And this is just one more article that proves what we already know.
  4. DING DING DING. We have a winner.
  5. The article linked to says that the PC gaming industry would have been much stronger if they had followed through with this plan.
  6. fps'ers on pc are pro and have many years of practice with lots of different games compared to the short fps release time on xbox 360 games. I've been playing fps'ers on pc for almost 11 years and that simple wins over in skill compared to an xbox pro whos been playing for a few years. Like other people have mentioned you can plug a keyboard and mouse into an xbox. But to be honest you only get good by playing people who are better than you and learning how to beat them. If all you ever play against are xbox controllers and win you won't beat a pc gamer for skill. Simple because pc gamers have been playing against hackers, cheats and veterans for alot longer and getting better and better. Xbox players have been sitting on a couch chillin out owning unskilled noobies for a few years. I tried playing cod on my 50 inch tv on a coach and i got owned it's really uncomfortable and hard to get a proper rythem.
  7. amen to this
  8. Tekkaraiden

    Tekkaraiden TS Evangelist Posts: 997   +93

    FPS and RTS most definitely better with a keyboard and mouse.
    Flight Sims and Arcade games, I'm going to side with a gamepad/joystick/arcade stick.
  9. If PS3 and XBOX games allowed us to use a keyboard and mouse it would even the playing field.
  10. Honestly, I'm a hardcore PC gamer, mainly FPS, and ocassionally RTS & Thirdperson. But I don't understand why Consoles are given support to use Keyboard mouse? X360 & PS3 both have USB support and the information gathering is done at a hardware level so wouldn't it just be reading what the mouse/keyboard send in? I'm confident that X360 & PS3 could have full keyboard/mouse support if game developers designed their games to use them.
  11. mrtraver

    mrtraver TS Guru Posts: 363   +59

    I don't really have anything new to add but I'm posting anyway. :)
    Mouse and keyboard all the way for shooters and RTS!
    Joystick with true force-feedback (not rumble or vibration) for flying games.
    Wheel and pedals with true force-feedback (not rumble or vibration) for racing games.
    I do use an Xbox 360 controller for Wheelman.

    I own Serious Sam for both PC and Xbox, and i always found it more enjoyable to play on on my old PC that was less powerful than my original Xbox. It was just so much better to snap across the screen for a quick shot, or fine control for sniping at distant or closely grouped enemies.
  12. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,920   +629

    The mouse is better for FPS because there is no limit to the movement. You can spin around countless times, or snap-turn-around and headshot someone. Just like using your OS, you learn where to place your mouse to hit the exit/start/etc buttons - and this is quite exact if you've been doing it for a while.

    Controllers (with analogue sticks) cannot pinpoint an exact spot to move to. Hold stick left, you will continue to turn left. You judge points with your eyes, and react by letting go of the stick. There's just no way to compete with a mouse.

    But driving games for example, are limited in their movement. Steer left/right, accell/brake. Can't steer with mouse, and can't do that and accelerate with keyboard because it's simple on/off. This is where analogue controllers are in their zone.
  13. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,223   +163

    They make TV stands ya know....geeez:rolleyes:
  14. Whooo. That just made my day ^-^
  15. wow well either way it goes i'm still loyal to my console controller. Now don't get me wrong a keyboard and mouse are not just fun to use they're challenging to become good users of it. But with a PC and console controller i feel at my best
  16. I have every game system out there. I have a pretty spec'd out pc.
    I'd rather play with a controller than a keyboard and mouse.
    For me it's about comfort.
    Pc gaming is like Mr. Sulu on the helm. Console is like Capt Kirk chilling.
    I could lounge on my sofa chair for hours.
    Sitting up right in my nice leather padded office chair...not so much.
    No monitor can beat my 46in Sony TV. 23in vs 46in?
  17. HaMsTeYr

    HaMsTeYr TS Guru Posts: 378   +6

    And yes PC sales are still strong... and it REALLY doesn't take 2000 bucks... every week for that matter. What another member suggested was right, all it takes is about 800 bucks and you're set for at least 3-4 years.

    As far as gaming starting on the console, i'm not too sure about that. First games might have been out for the consoles first, but gaming culture didn't really take off until the arrival of decent pcs, games like Counter-Strike were born, Half-Life, MMOs and a lot of grand daddies of what we're playing right now.

    Oh well, i'm a PC gamer, and i'm a hardcore one. :3 I pimp my system because it gives me pride looking at it, my own custom machine. Not much pride comes in it for me for just looking at a PS3, but a PC for me is something i can really make my own, tailor made to my own needs and quirks. :D

    Doesn't mean i shun console gaming though, i just prefer the PC more, and if anything all i need to do is connect a USB controller to my PC :p

    In fact, recently, i just converted my whole PC into a Wii, complete with a sensor bar for a Wii Mote. My Wii has been rendered useless because of this and i'm now going to sell it off. :D
  18. davimous

    davimous TS Rookie Posts: 55   +9

    Being able to sit on my couch super relaxed offers a lot compared to sitting 1.5 to 2 feet from my monitor . I do prefer some shooters on pc though. All CoD on PC and things like Halo on console. I think its funny that people say PC controls are better though. All you are doing is pointing and clicking to aim.
  19. lol. who says you have to sit 1.5 to 2 feet from your monitor? not when you can use your tv as a monitor.
  20. teklord

    teklord TS Guru Posts: 482

    I prefer holding a controller for games, less carpal tunnel that way. K+M is far more precise though. I found that out playing Unreal Tournament on Dreamcast with proprietary Sega K+M. Gave me a huge edge. Love playing console games on my PC with Xbox 360 controller. Better than the console version, especially with high end PC and full Xbox 360 controller support. :D
  21. QUOTED: Guest
    on July 22, 2010
    5:55 PM
    "@ Johny47 Uhh, No. I don't know what **** you're smoking but you're blatantly wrong. Gaming started on the Console and always has been the best. Who the hell would want to spend $2000 on a PC and upgrade it every other week just to play games? No-one in their right mind. "

    GAMING FIRST CAME OUT FOR: Manchester Ferranti Mark 1 COMPUTER unless you want to consider a non-digital data then you have a missle game that lit a dot up on a screen... and well... you had to put an overlay on that, so it was not a computer nor a console...

    Besides, Consoles are dumbed down version of PCs

    Wow bub, you must have never understood the PC building process and its' uses. I built my rig for around 600 dollars with a Phenom II x4, 2GB Ram, HD5770, M4A78T-E, 500GB HDD, 750w PSU (now using a 380w PSU), using an old tower that had an AMD K5 chip in it, but now I have a Azza. I use my 26" HDTV as a monitor.

    I wont HAVE to update for a long time actually. I don't get Red Rings of Death or Red Dots of Death either, and my computer doesn't randomly fire death beam discs at me (PS3). Peripherals are usually cheaper, so if I want to play an emulated PS2, NGC, N64, etc game, all I have to do is buy a pad with the required buttons. From what I gather people have found ways to emulate the Wii even.
  22. Sir Vagabond

    Sir Vagabond TS Rookie

    All these comments about how consoles are better due to being able to play on a large TV prove either just how little console players actually know about PCs or how desperate console fanboys are to find pros that justify their fanboyism. A TV isn't better than an LCD simply due to it's size. If one was to sit far back from a large TV, they would physically perceive the screen as the same size as an LCD that one was to sit close to. It's all about perspective. Hold up a quarter and a dime. Now move the quarter far enough away from you and now it's perceived as the exact same size as the dime that is closer to you. But, let us say that you have a hard on for TVs or that you enjoy lounging back. In that case simply hook up the PC to the television and suddenly you have the best of both worlds. I personally hook up my PC, PS3, and XBOX360 to my quality 23" LCD monitor and sit up close to it. You get greater clarity and crispness of visuals when sitting closer to your monitor. Though, I admit I'm a bit biased to gaming on my LCD monitor vs my TV due to the fact that I'm quite nearsighted and can't be bothered to wear my glasses the whole time or deal with contacts every time I wish to get a bit of gaming in. Plus, I use a premium leather executive office chair at my desk. This thing is more comfortable than most recliner chairs that I've sat in.
  23. I did a similar trial.

    We found mouse/keyboard gives the best precision and speed. Subjects were asked to jump and spin around 20x with a mouse, and land facing exactly the way they want. Something not possible with a controller. The trial was to see how such impressive talent could impress the ladies while control group B was restricted to keyboard turning.

    But once a subject won a (real) lady with their Gears of Ballet, we would make them kick back on the couch (yes, with a blanket) with said (real) lady's (real) legs over their lap. We would then hand them a keyboard and mouse.

    We found that they performed quite poorly. In addition to the extremely unstable surface, we also attributed this to the fact they also didn't care about the game any more.

    Control group C were only allowed to play with their feet. They also performed poorly.
  24. yukka

    yukka TechSpot Paladin Posts: 857   +64

    Its no surprise that keyboard and mouse beats consoles. All you have to do to fight someone using a joypad is circle strafe :)

    This should have been a good argument for allowing keyboard and mouse options on consoles, not canning the entire project.
  25. AMEN!!!

    D'oh... Stupid minimum 10 chars per post requirement...

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