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Microsoft says 71% of Windows 10 users allow their data to be collected

By midian182 · 69 replies
Aug 9, 2017
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  1. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 8,647   +3,272

    The reasons are numerous but just like any other company, they want to see how we use their products, they're curious naturally. SOME of their data gathering is harmless enough I reckon but it's how securely they store it and who they share the not-so-harmless data with that makes me wonder hence I disable the data gathering as much as I possibly can but they'll still get a lot. To be able to disable all of their data gathering tricks, you must really know Windows inside and out which very, very few people know. Even those that work for M$ and do the coding for the Windows side of things don't know it all.
     
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  2. Skjorn

    Skjorn TS Addict Posts: 176   +114

    That's none of your business. Do you work for Microsoft? NSA? They're resorting to physical bodies out collecting now?
    These comments crack me up, people always telling people not to assume cause its bad, sometimes assuming can save your ***. It is probably wise to assume to pretend that I know that it's more data than what you think used by more people than just Microsoft. May even be sold, which I make no money on..
    Oh sure, just go ahead and take whatever you need from me over here. No need to use the phone book or customer phone numbers to ask me how my experience is briefly. Just go ahead and electronically take all my information in an instant without asking or notifying. Much less intrusive than a phone call.
     
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  3. MikeOD

    MikeOD TS Rookie

    One of the reasons that I despise 10, aside from it being truly crappy, was the MS invasion of privacy I found immediately after the "free" "upgrade". It just amazes me how apathetic and blind people are when it comes to their personal data being put onto the auction block. Such data can prevent employment, insurance coverage, even home loans/mortgage approvals! I'll keep 7 as part of my Linux Mint/Win 7 dual sys boot until MS is either indicted for personal invasion, or, as the Repugnantcans like to think, the personal data one uses is everyone's biz, as it makes THEM $$$, so even 7 MAY become open/fair game.
     
  4. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,968   +1,298

    Honestly the fact that 29% dont, when its enabled by default and microsoft is very vague about it, is an impressively high number.
     
  5. psycros

    psycros TS Evangelist Posts: 1,830   +1,236

    Nearly a third of users are disabling the pre-checked spyware that's hidden in advanced settings. If there was any doubt that Windows 10 is a complete failure, this should put those doubts to rest.
     
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  6. BSim500

    BSim500 TS Evangelist Posts: 370   +623

    "Until you give me proof someone's planning to break into my house, I'm going to treat normal precautions such as locking my front door as paranoia and I have common sense and factual research for saying that" isn't really making a clever / "edgy" argument, it's just a false equivalence / stunning display of naivety. It's obvious you've never had to do a proper security audit for a major company as the burden of proof for security is very much on the software vendor to prove that it's clean, not the user to prove that it's dirty after waiting until the horse has bolted. Basic security precautions by definition involve being cautious without waiting for "proof" of anything.

    Not being able to prove a closed source OS is doing something nefarious through an encrypted undesired back-channel that can't be disabled simply results in an honest "unknown", not a laughably dishonest "it's clean because that's what I want to believe and anyone who disagrees is a conspiracy theorist" followed up by the usual stream of "Appeal to Ridicule" logical fallacy non-arguments.

    So to answer your question, "banging on W10" is simply asking hard questions in the face of lack of tangible transparency by a company who was literally first in line with 'involuntary mass data harvesting on behalf of another party' (for which the threshold of transparency for many is going to be far more than a doe-eyed "A PR guy told me what I wanted to hear. Case closed.")
     
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  7. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,731   +3,753

    Techspot Philosophers: I'm so upset this product didn't work like the targeted marketing materials said it would!

    Also Techspot Philosophers: What possible harm could come from Microsoft collecting your data if you aren't up to something nefarious?
     
  8. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,826   +692

    Really? It has to be nefarious if you don't want M$ collecting your data?

    How about a thought experiment? What if you were an inventor using your PC to invent something software related that had a huge potential? With "first to patent" in play in the US, M$ might be able to beat you to the patent because they have access to your data. Is that a non-nefarious enough reason for you?

    M$ has no right to my data. And the fact that they put up a screen during setup that basically leads the uniformed to believe that M$ has disabled the majority of data collection after the user completes that screen is devious at the least and nefarious at worst.

    Just keep thinking that everyone who does not want everyone else to have access to private data is up to something nefarious, and I am sure that you will pop into that paranoiac world of yours. Oh wait! You seem to be already there!
     
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  9. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,018   +663

    More speculation and a Wikileaks page...
    I think we're done here.
     
  10. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,018   +663

    The real test of Microsoft’s documents will be whether they go far enough to ease concerns over privacy with Windows 10.
    Enter speculations....

    Last month a number of misleading stories once again claimed Windows 10 has a keylogger built in, and there have been similar unfounded concerns about gaming and ad-supported versions of Solitaire.
    Speculations shot down.

    Get the facts guys.
     
  11. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,807   +472

    It's not misleading. Microsoft have tried to debunk the speculation about keylogging. It's a fact that keystrokes are captured in a non-disclosed manner. It's part of their ToS. I had this EXACT debate WITH Microsoft employees on Twitter. They could not refute the meaning of their ToS in that it allows them to capture keystrokes and they had NO CONTROL over whether passwords were captured for example.

    If they have software capturing arbitrary keystrokes and storing them in a database, then if that database is compromised, your passwords are compromised. That's just a fact. It doesn't MATTER what Microsoft's intentions are in that case...

    They can take their telemetry and stick it...
     
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  12. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,731   +3,753

    Can you not read sarcasm without it being tagged or is this a troll? My whole point was that the people in this thread saying "make Windows better!" "you have nothing to hide!" are the same ones who complain about the real-world results of that data collection (see: targeted advertising, marketing that says "just the right things," etc.).

    In short, we have every reason to not want Microsoft and other collecting our data.
     
  13. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,580   +249

    Turning off my privacy settings and data collection was not data I was consenting to allow Microsoft to collect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm writing them a letter RIGHT NOW! lmfao
     
  14. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,018   +663

    You know what happens when a company is shady? They get found out.
    Until that happens, I'm going to use the OS I have installed.
     
  15. davislane1

    davislane1 TS Grand Inquisitor Posts: 4,731   +3,753

    Very intelligent strategy. No track record of that attitude backfiring at all.
     
  16. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,018   +663

    Damn. How have you survived on the internet all this time? I mean, if your data is so valuble, you must be in a bunker somewhere right now. Off the grid! I mean, unless you think MS is the only company collecting your data? I mean, if you're worried about your data being safe, how could you not trust MS? I mean, they're freaking MS! Who do you think has better security? Sony? HBO? CNN?

    How about these guys....???
    https://www.google.ca/search?q=comp...rome..69i57.4220j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
  17. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,807   +472

    There is being offgrid and there is being reasonably cautious and then there is downright reckless.
     
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  18. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 8,647   +3,272

    Whatever...
     
  19. Theinsanegamer

    Theinsanegamer TS Evangelist Posts: 838   +856

    Meh. Installed linux mint back when windows 10 came out. Still got tons of amazing games from GoG that run in wine, some newer good games run natively in linux, and I dont have all that pricacy BS that windows 10 users suffer with.

    For those asking "why worry LOL, its MS!" the answer is simple. If I come over to your house, and put up cameras throughout so I can watch whatever you do, would you be OK with that? After all, I'm not doing anything NEFARIOUS with it, totally promise!

    If you disagree with what I just typed, then how can you defend windows 10 tracking everything you do? How can you trust MS saying "we are totally not doing anything bad with your data" when this same company was part of PRISM and has worked with the govt in the past?
     
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  20. alabama man

    alabama man TS Maniac Posts: 357   +224

    Someone make a program that makes the sent data incorrect or unusable. Not sending them anything but if I could stress their servers and lose them some money in salaries I would do that. They collect the data for ads, they know how to make the operating system better, just remove almost everything they did after windows 7.
     
  21. TheBigT42

    TheBigT42 TS Addict Posts: 153   +81

    It is not sensitive data...It is the right to privacy...If you don't care...they have a little chip for your wrist that can track you...just for traffic reports and such...if you have nothing to hide whats the problem???
     
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  22. Forebode

    Forebode TS Booster Posts: 126   +18

    It's just a false statement. Systems at my office will re-enable this crap when they update. It should be permanently off unless you choose to enable it. You could have a reminder that you could say yes, no, and no don't bother me.
     
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  23. Impudicus

    Impudicus TS Member Posts: 29   +19

    Probably 90% of the people who knew about these settings disabled them.
     
  24. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,018   +663

    I know. And it's amazing how after being online for 20 years I've never had to worry as much as you about my data being tracked!

    We're tracked everywhere. Even according to current W10 privacy settings mentioned in this article, things can be hidden. You will never find them all, but if you think MS is going to ruin your life, then that's just sad.

    Im more worried about losing my ID on the street than I am about W10 privacy settings...
     
  25. AllanTee

    AllanTee TS Rookie

    Only complete *****s allow this.
     
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