NHTSA issues a safety recall on nearly 54,000 Teslas over 'rolling-stop' functionality

dragosmp

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"Yield" for me, has more of a medieval connotation. Sic: Sir knight if you do not yield, we shall settle this with lances or swords.

Funny story. Way back when the band "Genesis" released their first album here in the colonies, I couldn't understand a word of it. The Brit slang was so thick, you couldn't cut it with a diamond phonograph needle..

We Yanks also need "Waltzing Matilda" explained to us word for word as well.

We should also hash out why you Brits can't pronounce Rs, yet you tag them on every other word that doesn't end in them.

There were birds in the sky
US: But I never saw them winging
UK: But I never soar them winging <<< Huh?
Heheheh
Scot here, give me a few pints and I roll RRRs even if there's no R in the word :)
 

BadThad

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the argument here would be that then you would have everyone competing to perform rolling stops and crashing into each other. You cannot give human beings the assumption of having common sense. They eat Tide Pods FFS. Like @hahahanoobs said: "Human intelligence peaked long ago."

Indeed, no argument from me, most drivers have no brain. Drivers here don't even understand the "right or left on red" law, which is ALWAYS a full stop first regardless of the situation IMO.
 

mbrowne5061

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Is it just me, or does the premise here sound ridiculous? I don't know ANYONE competent at driving who comes to a complete stop at a stop sign...

I think in this case, you can just say 'I do not know any competent drivers', and ignore any qualifiers.

Because, in an accident between a driver who came to a complete stop at an intersection and one who did a California roll through their sign, I think I know who the insurance adjusters, cops, and judges are going to side with.
 

m4a4

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I think in this case, you can just say 'I do not know any competent drivers', and ignore any qualifiers.

Because, in an accident between a driver who came to a complete stop at an intersection and one who did a California roll through their sign, I think I know who the insurance adjusters, cops, and judges are going to side with.
Well, it's obvious you don't understand what is implied by California stop. The only way your comment makes sense is if I assume you either don't drive, or you think it means something ridiculous like "slow down a tiny bit and ignore the stop sign".

Slowing down to under 5 mph gives you more than enough time to check the intersection (coming to a complete stop if someone is there). And, unless you're an id!ot, you don't then stomp on the acceleration (especially if someone else is there). You know, like someone competent 🤦‍♂️
 

dragosmp

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Well, it's obvious you don't understand what is implied by California stop. The only way your comment makes sense is if I assume you either don't drive, or you think it means something ridiculous like "slow down a tiny bit and ignore the stop sign".

Slowing down to under 5 mph gives you more than enough time to check the intersection (coming to a complete stop if someone is there). And, unless you're an id!ot, you don't then stomp on the acceleration (especially if someone else is there). You know, like someone competent 🤦‍♂️
*noob warning* then why do you have a STOP and not a Yield? Feels like you describe a situation where people see Stop but act like it's a Yield. Or could it be that just culturally these signs mean different things in different places...

When the first Teslas arrived in Norway the headlights were ****, heater undersized and the battery cold-gating. They updated the software and we added LED bars, so it was fine, but that was initially a warm dry weather car. It may be the norm in CA is forced upon the world, Tesla gets pushback, then they actually work to adjust to the local standard
 

captaincranky

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Slowing down to under 5 mph gives you more than enough time to check the intersection (coming to a complete stop if someone is there). And, unless you're an id!ot, you don't then stomp on the acceleration (especially if someone else is there). You know, like someone competent
Whether a "California stop" is tactically appropriate or not is moot. You simply can't program the damned car to ignore stop sings, even a little.

And that's even if I agree with you that a deaf stop isn't always necessary
 

m4a4

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*noob warning* then why do you have a STOP and not a Yield? Feels like you describe a situation where people see Stop but act like it's a Yield. Or could it be that just culturally these signs mean different things in different places...
In some situations it would make sense, but if you come upon a 4-way stop in the middle of nowhere (being able to clearly see it's empty besides you), why do you need to come to a complete stop when it is safe to keep rolling?

Most laws are for safety, and this one just feels overbearing (to the point where they'd have a "safety" recall specifically for it).

Whether a "California stop" is tactically appropriate or not is moot. You simply can't program the damned car to ignore stop sings, even a little.

And that's even if I agree with you that a deaf stop isn't always necessary
And don't get me wrong, it is against the law (and thus it shouldn't be blatantly broken like this). I'm just voicing that it is a stupid "letter of the law" thing, where it doesn't actually improve safety.
I'd be more worried about someone accidentally blowing a stop sign, not slowly rolling into the intersection after not coming to a complete stop lol
 

Cal Jeffrey

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I think there is a lot of conflation here between autonomous driving and manually driving.

Bottom line is this: California (rolling) stops are against the law in every state in the US. If you perform one in front of a cop you will get pulled over at the very least. We all know this and we all do it anyway hoping there wasn't a cop parked down the street. But it is the fact that the maneuver is illegal that makes Tesla stupid for adding it to their FSD software. The designers programmed the cars to break the law.

Plus, is that a maneuver that you would trust the software to do? If so you're pretty brave. I saw a dude blast through a four-way stop sign in Fresno doing 90 running from the cops. Maybe Tesla's software would have picked that up, maybe it wouldn't have. I certainly wouldn't want to find out. In fact, I don't think I would trust Tesla's software on any residential street. too many unforeseen variables. But that's just me.