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Nvidia doesn't need us anymore: How is the GeForce RTX 3080 12GB launching to zero reviews
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captaincranky
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Is that the drive that used to be called, "the death star"?
Shouldn’t allow them to go ahead with that ARM acquisition
The thing that bugs me the most about this situation, that no one seems to be talking about, is how those of us who begged, borrowed, sweat, cried, and bled to get a regular 3080 ( I was even fortunate enough to get it at the $700 MSRP by standing in line in front of Micro Center in a snowstorm hours before they opened) are now being completely screwed over.
I get it, and I'm happy that I was fortunate enough to even get a 3080. But it's still a slap in the face for them to re-release it with more memory in this market we're currently in.
"Oh yeah, that card you just bought is now already more or less obsolete and don't think for a second that we're going to do any sort of replacement for the 10GB models!" I would t be surprised if they planned to release the 10GB then immediately replace it with the 12GB all along, just to squeeze out as much profit as possible.
I used to ask myself what the point of console gaming was. It might be worth it just to stick it to these GPU manufacturers, but apparently they don't even need consumers to make money??
I get it, and I'm happy that I was fortunate enough to even get a 3080. But it's still a slap in the face for them to re-release it with more memory in this market we're currently in.
"Oh yeah, that card you just bought is now already more or less obsolete and don't think for a second that we're going to do any sort of replacement for the 10GB models!" I would t be surprised if they planned to release the 10GB then immediately replace it with the 12GB all along, just to squeeze out as much profit as possible.
I used to ask myself what the point of console gaming was. It might be worth it just to stick it to these GPU manufacturers, but apparently they don't even need consumers to make money??
Gastec
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That is exactly what we are living nowadays. A controlled market full of cartels. As another example, the energy companies in Europe.
Avro Arrow
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When IBM owned it, yes. The IBM DeskStar was known as the "Death Star" because they would fail without warning. IBM finally gave up trying to fix their hard drive division and sold it to Hitachi who did a very good job of eliminating the problems that plagued IBM.
Neatfeatguy
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I don't understand how it's a slap in the face or the fact you feel you're getting screwed over.
The 12GB version will maybe see a 5% performance gain over the 10GB. Also, how about the fact that it's selling for $1250 (for the lower-end model from EVGA)?
You're upset a card that will have minimal gains over the 3080 10GB, but sells for $500+ in cost wasn't available when you got your $700 3080 card?
Would you have spent an extra $500 for a 12GB 3080?
Neatfeatguy
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Nvidia doesn't handle the RT well and they even have "dedicated" cores to handle it. The performance tanks so hard with both companies that raytracing is nothing more than a gimmick at the moment.
Sure, you see less of a performance drop with Nvidia cards, but the performance loss is still significant.
(Trying to say you can use RT + DLSS with Nvidia....but then things just become blurry, same can be said if you enable FSR with AMD.)
Give both companies another 2 generations before we can easily say if one is truly better off with raytracing over the other.
wiyosaya
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I can understand how you feel. However, nWeedia has been doing this sort of thing for years.
Avro Arrow
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What are you, eleven years old? You got an RTX 3080 for $700 and now you're whining? Man, you are something else, you know that? I don't think that I've met a bigger baby on this site than you.
You didn't get completely screwed over. The people who bought the RTX 2080 Ti cards right before the RTX 3000 series was launched were completely screwed over. You weren't screwed over at all, in fact, circumstances have shown that you were lucky as hell!
Everyone knew that the RTX 3080 was a 10GB card and everyone knew that the 6800 XT was a 16GB card. If you were so concerned about the 10GB of VRAM then you should have grabbed the 6800 XT for a bit less. Instead, you behaved like a blind fanboy and bought the 10GB card for more. Now you're whining about it being 10GB? YOU chose what you bought and YOU were lucky enough to only pay $700 for it.
Suck it up buttercup because a lot of people would give their eye teeth to be in your "screwed over" situation.
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Avro Arrow
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I don't feel sorry for him. He got an RTX 3080 for $700 and he's whining about it. What a baby!
Sausagemeat
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So many people complaining about Nvidia and it’s “anti-consumer practises”.
Yet we all know, when supply normalises and users have a choice between AMD and Nvidia graphics cards that 85% of people are going to still choose Nvidia. Why? Because they still make the better product.
Personally I don’t care about reviewer shunning or any of the crap people whine about Nvidia for. They are currently the only company capable of making a decent GPU to play games.
Yet we all know, when supply normalises and users have a choice between AMD and Nvidia graphics cards that 85% of people are going to still choose Nvidia. Why? Because they still make the better product.
Personally I don’t care about reviewer shunning or any of the crap people whine about Nvidia for. They are currently the only company capable of making a decent GPU to play games.
wiyosaya
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I don't feel sorry for him, either. As I see it, it is a fact of life when buying any technology related product.I don't feel sorry for him. He got an RTX 3080 for $700 and he's whining about it. What a baby!
I am waiting, because of the pricing situation in general, to do two builds. Honestly, I cannot say who I will go with for a GPU. My main interest in GPUs is that I run compute projects - BOINC and AMD has outperformed nVidia in compute tasks for many years now. To top that off, the project in which I have done the most work finally supports AMD GPUs. So it is entirely possible that I will go with AMD.
captaincranky
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Dude, that's harsh. Good job.
Couple of quick questions though."Suck it up buttercup", is that a "Great White North-ism"?
Follow up: Have you ever considered changing your alias to, "Captaincranky", and then tacking on your approximate latitude, so they'll be able to tell us apart?
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Sausagemeat
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Cool story. I’m just saying we all know the market massively prefers Nvidia and buys Nvidia cards at a premium over Radeon cards.
But if you want to exchange personal stories I’m currently using a Radeon RX480, I’ve been on Radeon since 2013 with the R9 280X (single and crossfire) and I’m all but done with them. I will not pay any money at all for the foreseeable future for a Radeon GPU. My experience has been dreadful.
And this is it, people won’t care about any of the “anti-consumer” points people have made here. What drives consumers to buy graphics cards is personal user experience. And at the moment Nvidia have no competition and that’s why they will get away with whatever they are doing.
brucek
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Wow, some people will find the "slap in the face" in anything. I've got some good new for you Raichiori - you can get all your money back on your original 3080 (and then some!) with no problem, and keep the ~15 months of great gaming you enjoyed and any crypto you mined on it. Pretty nice.
But before you do that, I'd bring a little more rigor to how "obsolete" that card really is. Somebody somewhere will contrive an example of how 10 GB just isn't enough VRAM, but I believe that until the next console generation the practical answer is that 10 GB is enough to configure a game such that it still looks as good or better as it does on any other platform. (The reason is that the core art assets of big budget games are typically designed around the capabilities of the consoles, with the extra horsepower available on the PC allowing you to set a higher resolution, higher FOV, more frames, and more post-processing. The only way to make your 3080 card useless today would be to design a game that has next to no market reach.)
But before you do that, I'd bring a little more rigor to how "obsolete" that card really is. Somebody somewhere will contrive an example of how 10 GB just isn't enough VRAM, but I believe that until the next console generation the practical answer is that 10 GB is enough to configure a game such that it still looks as good or better as it does on any other platform. (The reason is that the core art assets of big budget games are typically designed around the capabilities of the consoles, with the extra horsepower available on the PC allowing you to set a higher resolution, higher FOV, more frames, and more post-processing. The only way to make your 3080 card useless today would be to design a game that has next to no market reach.)
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punctualturn
Does that applies to RDNA2?
I know that Vega is considered a compute monster, but not RDNA or RDNA2.
I don't understand. Is your card going to get any slower?
theUnforgiven
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I wonder what it would be like if the 'greed' team didn't get any chips for awhile to make their GPU's but the RED team got all the chips by mistake; so they can make all the cards they like. Stuff the 'greed' team, take out their supply, choke them; hurt them like they hurt us customers
cliffordcooley
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You say that. But look what happened when AMD made a decent CPU.
theUnforgiven
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What is wrong with that? They wiped intel off their sleeping arses ha ha They just need to advance their GPU like they did to their CPU. I have had intel chip since pentium D, now I have a 3800x. We need more competition in this 2 horse race. That's what it really needs, competition. I loved my 7970's then my 1080ti, which died on Xmas day
I am using a 6870 which gives me mulitiple blue screens a day. I miss the day when we could buy a card that we wanted without robbing the corner store
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We as gamers lover your products, although they are sometimes noisy, hot and overpriced for the feature sets we use. We understand that profit is the real motive you make chips and chipsets, like all companies. You knownly presold vast number of cards(chipsets), to mining farms, while claiming it was a silicon shortage problem, when all the time it was strictly a marketing decision. You stopped producing the previous older line prematurely, which could have helped the situation alot. I like many gamers would have happy bought a 2080 super/ti card if it had remained in production.
cliffordcooley
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So it is OK, as long as it is AMD that is Greedy.
Avro Arrow
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Well, you could do what I did, but don't tell anyone. It's a secret!
Avro Arrow
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Have you forgotten what the RTX 2080 Ti was selling for right before the RTX 3000 series came out? You would have paid $1,200 for a card that was matched by a $500 card less than a month later. There's no way that you'd have been happy and there's no way that nVidia would have sold it for a lower price.
I remember the rage that new RTX 2080 Ti owners had when it was shown that the RTX 3070 essentially matched its performance for half the price. I can't say that I completely blame them. I mean, I was laughing that someone would pay that for a video card at the time (there was no shortage yet) so it was kinda their fault but nVidia made sure that they kept their lips sealed so that the rest of the RTX 2080 Ti cards got sold.
Remember that nVidia (like everyone else who isn't Inte) is a fabless semiconductor company so they weren't actually producing the chips, TSMC was. They couldn't keep producing the RTX 2080 Ti because TSMC wasn't using that process anymore.
The only disadvantage that the RTX 3070 had compared to the RTX 2080 Ti (and it was a HUGE disadvantage) was the paltry 8GB on the RTX 3070. That limitation will ensure that the RTX 3070 (and 3080 for that matter) become obsolete long before the RX 6700 XT (12GB), RX 6800 (16GB) and RX 6800 XT (also 16GB).
This is also why ATi stopped the production of the R9 Fury (Fiji), despite the fact that it out-performed the RX 580 (Polaris) by quite a margin. I myself was wondering why ATi stopped Fiji when Polaris, while more efficient, overall had like an 8-10% performance deficit compared to the Fury in Hitman 2016. A die-shrunk Fiji GPU would have been MUCH faster but AMD had decreed that it wanted ATi to make a GPU that used less juice the priority and since they own ATi, ATi complied.
Yeah, the shortage sucks but don't look at the past with rose-coloured glasses because nVidia's green colour is extremely appropriate. They are the snakes of the tech world.
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