wiyosaya
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Absolutely. I'd give you a thousand or more, likes for this comment if it were possible.Ethics matter...
Some, however, throw ethics out the door if it stands in the way of them getting what they want.
Absolutely. I'd give you a thousand or more, likes for this comment if it were possible.Ethics matter...
I can't say I'm surprised that it sounds like the baby was thrown out with the bath water....to the ethical.
I agree. It hasn't been a "free" market in a long time. It's a market dominated by overly-huge multinational corporations. Venture capitalism is impossible at this point. Beware those who defend Neoliberalism because Neoliberalism is only "good" for those who are already wealthy. I write "good" in quotes because more often than not, their profit increase doesn't really benefit them one bit because there's no way that your lifestyle really changes once you have $20,000,000 in the bank simply by accumulating more.Profits are also a reflection of supply and demand - by deliberately limiting supply you can drive up the price and make more profit per unit. This is not an example of a free market at work but of deliberate market manipulation. The "free market" may always be right but this market is not a free one.
I agree with you but it makes me wonder why nVidia scrapped Quadro.I called it a few months ago: It's not "only" miners either (Although those are healthy sales for them still) but the compute customers for data centers are quickly becoming the center of their concerns because they're making money by the truck loads working with them
Yeah, I was completely floored when they said that it was better to buy the RTX 3080 (starting at $1,630) with 10GB than the RX 5800 XT (starting at $1,500) with 16GB. I just look at those and I could easily tell that the life of the RTX 3080 was severely limited by its 10GB framebuffer.What Nvidia is doing should not be a surprise anymore. If you were caught on tape that should be a final warning sign to treat Nvidia as they deserve, I mean like the blackmailer who in fact they are. You treat Nvidia too nicely after they embargoed and blackmailed you last year. Hope that in 2022 you will be more judicial against any Nvidia shady attempt. They prove it countless time that they are not playing fair or nice. Wish you good luck and to give us high quality reviews.
You're a much nicer person than I am. I think that "miner" is not the word that I would have used.Spoken like a miner ...
Yep. No matter what it is they do, all corporations are in the business of raking in as much as they can.Bullcrap. In this case, as I see it, it is nWeedia taking advantage of the market situation to squeeze as much profits out of their customers as they believe they can. Profits are all they care about.
I remember that and I also remember how ironic it was that the reason Compaq was so successful in the first place was that IBM was doing that very thing and Compaq wasn't. HP discontinued Compaq so now they're both gone from the PC market.Back in the days of Compaq, Compaq did the same thing that nWeedia is doing right now, and Compaq, as a highly respected stand-alone brand that was widely recognized at the time as producing an excellent product, let their own brand recognition go to their heads. Compaq's prices were astronomical compared to alternatives on the market at the time, and the lower priced alternatives, including custom builds, were the choice that consumers turned to at the time. The result? Ask yourself, where is Compaq now? The answer is that it is a sub-brand of a company, HP, I think, that decided to buy it when it could not live up to its own Hubris, and it is hardly the "go to" brand it once used to be.
Narcissists always think that just because they like something that it's "obviously" the best, eh? Narcissists also try to impress people by telling them that they have two RTX 3090s.And again, just because you own nWeedia cards does not mean that those same cards are the "go to" choice for everyone. IF prices were reasonable, I might buy one of these new cards, but, IMO, they are just not worth spending what it would cost for most of the components of a decent build on a GPU for that system. I am not interested in purchasing bragging rights or purchasing just because some reviewer somewhere says "its the best".
I can't agree. The difference between nVidia and Compaq is that Compaq was surrounded by competitors like the aforementioned Hewlett-Packard, Acer, Toshiba, Lenovo, Packard-Bell, Toshiba, Dell, Everex and Gateway. The only competitor to nVidia is ATi and (to some marginal degree, Intel) and when there are only two, no matter how bad one behaves, there are still fools who will only buy their products. Look at how successful Apple is no matter how many d!ck moves they pull.My bet, give it some more time, especially when nWeedia makes paper releases like this that it specifically holds back in all likelihood because it is totally afraid of negative reviews, and nWeedia will be the Compaq of the 2020s. And the "Free Market" will have spoken.
Sounds a lot like General Motors.I worked for a company that had 60,000+ employees and was recognized world-wide. IMO, they suffered from the same kind of Hubris as this, and I clearly saw that hubris while working there; they are now only a shadow of their former glory with around 1,200 employees.
Yup, they've become so powerful that instead of being forced to bend to the will of the market, they're able to bend the market to their will. That completely defeats the purpose of free enterprise to begin with. They also snuff out any attempts by upstarts so there's no more Venture Capitalism either.For a free market economy to operate as a free market you require free competition. Without free competition you end up with monopolies and cartels. These entities control the market to the point where free competition will be snuffed out at the nascent stage - such as buying up all the production capacity etc. This is not a free market - it is a controlled market by the only significant players.
It isn't enough. If you think that it's enough when the competition's card has 60% more, then you're crazy.AMD fans were screaming for years about how important the memory and 10GB on 3080 and 6GB on RTX 2060 is not enough
Well, Far Cry 6 requires a MINIMUM buffer size of 11GB in order to use its HD textures. Some call Far Cry 6 an outlier but I have a different term for it; "Only the first to require that much VRAM, not the last." so I'd say that you're completely wrong.They released 12GB version for both cards and it barely make any difference on average. So in other words, the original memory size was enough for these cards
I know how it operates and I know that it's completely different from how it's supposed to operate.Yes - even those who pretend they know how it operates.
Cut and paste: The lazy man's way to "forum".Do you have this speech on file and saved somewhere? Because it's getting pretty damned repetitive, tedious, and boring.
You're probably giving too much credit there. You used the word "think".I can hear you thinking to yourself, "hm, another article about high prices, and scarce availability, time for the big copy and paste about the 'free market always being right'".
What would we ever do without you Cap?BTW, how are your "two 3090's" running? I'm sure "inquiring minds want to know". .
First I'm hearing of this. And I'm suspicious, because that pack is available for the consoles, neither of which have (practically usable) 11GB VRAM.Far Cry 6 requires a minimum 11GB of VRAM to use the HD textures
Wut? People are buying nvidia cause their cards are by far the best in any and every metric. Its funny blaming nvidia consumers when you are an owner of a 5700xt. I mean really now? The black screen edition video card?
Also, funny you think a 6900xt is equal to a 3080. Yeah, right, until you try to play cyberpunk. And then you realize the 6900xt os 2 generations behind
Amazing. You actually think you know what other people are thinking?Now you've got it.
I find it so remarkable people are lined up to drop $1000 - $3000 on a "video card" so they can play video games or mine crypto (arguably more productive) yet it never crossed their mind that investing in the stock itself nets huge gain and dividends in most cases.
I've been investing since 2007 so I know it very well.
1 year ago Nvidia stock was 1/3rd what it is now.
It helps with "1% lows" which is where you see the most stuttering. Videocards pre-allocate assets into VRAM so they don't have to reach into the HDD or SSD when they're needed. When I play at 4k the higher resolution allows me to keep the AA down. But you also need to consider the size of the image in VRAM. A 4k picture takes up more space than a 1080P and cards don't just instantly clear those from memory. In many cases they try to pre-render frames while also purging the previous frames. I'm not saying everyone needs 24GB of VRAM like on a 3090, but I think AMD has the right idea with 16 gigs at the moment. For 1, you have lazy developers and the extra memory helps brute force smooth gameplay but you also have longevity to think about. If you're like me and only upgrade you graphics card every 4-5 years, that 16 gigs is going to give me a better experience than the 10-12 gigs leading up to an upgrade. The 8 gigs on my 1070Ti was just fine when I got it but it's really starting to show it's age.There not single game today that need 8GB on low (and even medium setting) at any resolution.
It is probably just memory allocation. Basically the game will just use the memory but it does not need it
Also, 1080p high setting usually need more video memory than 4K low setting anyway.
YouTuber.Spoken like a miner ...
lol What?!I don't object to Nvidia charging a little more for GPUs with a few more good cores. That's really all this new SKU is about, and while it's added to make more money for Nvidia, it's doing that in what I feel is an entirely legitimate way.
Limiting the amount of memory that can be attached to a GPU artificially, however, is something I can object to; GPU card makers should be free to hook up 24 GB to a 3060 if they feel like it, and if they have customers who would find it useful.
The current GPU shortage, though, is not due to any manipulation by Nvidia and AMD; the pandemic has created a level of demand which they cannot meet, because chip supplies from TSMC and Samsung are limited. That is the fact we need to focus on.
Wow... I don't know if the article is worse or these comments are worse. Internet comments about economics always brings out the low functioning crowd. Who knew so many Harvard educated, triple PhD economists and Nobel Laureates were gracing this chat to inform us what "free markets" are or aren't. Amazing.
And this article is over stating the importance of tech reviews.
You won't find a review on the 3080 12GB version because you're going to see a performance gain over the 3080 10GB, just like we did with the 2060 12GB over the 2060 6GB - almost non-existent.
Maybe 3% performance gain for an extra $350+ price over a 3080 10GB.
No thank you, Nvidia. I don't know why anyone would want to spend an extra $100 per 1% performance gain over the 3080 10GB.
Yeap they do believe, wait, no, they know their customers are dumb and will continue bending over for them because today’s consumers no longer respect themselves, instead are blind fanatics to a brand.I swear, nVidia keeps screwing consumers and they keep coming back like battered spouses. What nVidia is showing us is the low opinion that THEY have of their own customers.
It's better to be a youtuber than a miner. Especially a miner who writes nonsense in defense of a snooty video card manufacturer.Exactly... (some doggy fart)
The Free market is always right.