Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Review: Who Is It For?

Dimitriid

Posts: 691   +1,226
"It changes nothing"

Well, it could if the hash limiter works. But probably in the long run: even if useless to mining that's only a part of the equation and Nvidia just not meeting demand as it has continued to build up even and also distributors and retailers that probably would resist lowering prices back down even if they start accumulating some inventory means you probably won't see MSRP for these on 2021
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 4,096   +3,253
"This increased power saw the peak operating temperature rise by 2C to 77C and the fan speed by 200 RPM to 2100 RPM, "

I think you mean 2000 RPM? Otherwise, that would be quite the increase....

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by this release.... Nvidia does this to their Titan cards every time... I remember the 980Ti making my Titans obsolete just a few months after purchase....
 

Xex360

Posts: 86   +107
"It changes nothing"

Well, it could if the hash limiter works. But probably in the long run: even if useless to mining that's only a part of the equation and Nvidia just not meeting demand as it has continued to build up even and also distributors and retailers that probably would resist lowering prices back down even if they start accumulating some inventory means you probably won't see MSRP for these on 2021
Limiting th hashrate makes it worse for everyone, gamers could mine on the side to get some money back.
If nVidia truly cared about gamers, it would've realised cheaper Ampere cards, and stop selling directly to huge mining farms, and punishing retailers/distributors that inflate the prices, not crippling the card.
 

Dimitriid

Posts: 691   +1,226
Limiting th hashrate makes it worse for everyone, gamers could mine on the side to get some money back.
If nVidia truly cared about gamers, it would've realised cheaper Ampere cards, and stop selling directly to huge mining farms, and punishing retailers/distributors that inflate the prices, not crippling the card.
I think the second part is the real issue here: We've seen actual auctions and photographs of pallets with hundreds of GPUs of the exact same models being sold for hundreds of thousands to miners.

That's really the long and short of the shortage if you ask me: It really isn't that much about scalpers: could have been at launch but several months afterwards the scalper market is a secondary market created by the core operation which is miners picking up pallets of cards directly from distributors or even the AIB partners themselves.

And on that regard you are right: While there's only so much Nvidia can do to control all the supply chain line up until point-of-sale we also know Nvidia has infrastructure in place to sell direct: it's just a matter of them expanding their capabilities. Does that costs money, both money down for Nvidia to manage retail sales and money lost from angry partners? Sure. But we also know Nvidia has *plenty* of money to invest back into gamers if they wanted to.

But their action plan seems to be futile attempts to cripple the cards and burying their heads in the sand hoping they don't lose too many long time customers when this is all said and done. Except this is the second time it happens in relative quick succession so that's obviously not going to work.
 

maroon1

Posts: 43   +50
3080 Ti compete with 6900XT cause it is the closest GPU in the price. Yes both card bad value compared to cheaper models

But 3080 Ti is not bad value compared to 6900XT. It cost little more (based on official price) it. performs better in 4K, much better in RT and also support DLSS2.0 on top of that. It does cost little more, but for people who already paying 1000 dollars it is not going to make much difference. Going by that, 3080 Ti is good alternative (if not better) to 6900XT

If you going to conclude that 3080 Ti is not for gamers, then 6900XT is also not for gamers.
 

Geralt

Posts: 406   +476
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3080 Ti compete with 6900XT cause it is the closest GPU in the price. Yes both card bad value compared to cheaper models

But 3080 Ti is not bad value compared to 6900XT. It cost little more (based on official price) it. performs better in 4K, much better in RT and also support DLSS2.0 on top of that. It does cost little more, but for people who already paying 1000 dollars it is not going to make much difference. Going by that, 3080 Ti is good alternative (if not better) to 6900XT

If you going to conclude that 3080 Ti is not for gamers, then 6900XT is also not for gamers.
The problem is that there's the 3090 already.
 

Biostud

Posts: 50   +19
Nvidia just want a larger slice of the cake. With the current prices of video cards, Nvidia can simply move production to 3070ti and 3080ti and limit the supply of regular 3070/80. With the miners pushing the prices of the 3070/80 then gamers will have to choose between 3080 for $1500 or 3080ti for $1600. Then most will choose the ti.
 

QuantumPhysics

Posts: 5,005   +5,615
I went by Microcenter earlier.

There's already about 20 people waiting patiently on line for the launch. I had a conversation with the #1 guy on line and he's been sitting there, in his lawn chair, since Monday. Last week there were people camped out, but I'd imagine the cold winds and rain got rid of them.

I'll return to Microcenter tomorrow at 9AM and wait for the vouchers to be handed out.

So far, from what I see, the 3080Ti performs like a 3090 in everything but 4K. The 3090 has the clear advantage even if it's only less than 10fps better.
 

Xex360

Posts: 86   +107
I think the second part is the real issue here: We've seen actual auctions and photographs of pallets with hundreds of GPUs of the exact same models being sold for hundreds of thousands to miners.

That's really the long and short of the shortage if you ask me: It really isn't that much about scalpers: could have been at launch but several months afterwards the scalper market is a secondary market created by the core operation which is miners picking up pallets of cards directly from distributors or even the AIB partners themselves.

And on that regard you are right: While there's only so much Nvidia can do to control all the supply chain line up until point-of-sale we also know Nvidia has infrastructure in place to sell direct: it's just a matter of them expanding their capabilities. Does that costs money, both money down for Nvidia to manage retail sales and money lost from angry partners? Sure. But we also know Nvidia has *plenty* of money to invest back into gamers if they wanted to.

But their action plan seems to be futile attempts to cripple the cards and burying their heads in the sand hoping they don't lose too many long time customers when this is all said and done. Except this is the second time it happens in relative quick succession so that's obviously not going to work.
That exaggerates the problem but the main problem remains global shortages, that's why we can't buy new consoles, Zen3 CPUs, RDNA2, and even cars are in the same situation.
 

EdmondRC

Posts: 135   +108
The thing is, the 3080 FE is essentially out of production. When we talk about the MSRP for the 3080, there is no $700 3080 anymore. If you didn't get one, you didn't get one. Most AIB partners are selling 3080 cards for $900+ and even then, the majority of cards that do show up on occasion are the higher end models which are more than $1000. In the real world, the 3080 is a $900-$1100 GPU when you can find it in stock and so the $1200 for the 3080 Ti makes sense from that perspective. Again, there is no such thing as a $700 3080 just like there is no such thing as a $649 6800 XT, in fact, when you actually find them in stock the AMD cards have an even higher mark up with the 6800XT usually being $1100 + and the 6900XT pushing $2000.

So why does the 3080 Ti exist? Well its simple, Nvidia has dies that can't go into a 3090, but they'd rather sell them for more than to cut them down to 3080s. That's the bottom line. That's a function of the market. At least Nvidia cards pop up every once in a while at retail, AMDs GPUs are much rarer and more inflated. The 3080 Ti is not a deal by any means and its only meant for a small segment of gamers, but they won't have any problems selling 100% of them.

In a normal market we'd be talking about the RTX 3060 and the yet to be released RX6600XT. And if you really wanted to splurge, you'd get you a RX6700XT or a 3060 Ti. Because those are the GPUs that would be selling and increasing market share, but this is not a normal market and neither AMD or Nvidia has any incentive on focusing production to those lower priced cards when the higher priced, higher profit cards sell out in minutes.
 

Experimentongod

Posts: 335   +176
"This increased power saw the peak operating temperature rise by 2C to 77C and the fan speed by 200 RPM to 2100 RPM, "

I think you mean 2000 RPM? Otherwise, that would be quite the increase....

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by this release.... Nvidia does this to their Titan cards every time... I remember the 980Ti making my Titans obsolete just a few months after purchase....

They mean from 1900 to 2100 RPM (200 RPM increase).
 

Dimitriid

Posts: 691   +1,226
That exaggerates the problem but the main problem remains global shortages, that's why we can't buy new consoles, Zen3 CPUs, RDNA2, and even cars are in the same situation.
That's certainly the official story. Now, I'm inclined to believe a global increase in demand on these fabs across multiple areas caused the issue in conjunction with the pandemic restrictions and stopping, however, I say "Official story" for a reason: I just don't think none of the companies couldn't foresee the increase in demand as companies are very likely to bid for fab allocation year in advance of the nodes actually being considered good enough for production runs.

So it's probably not entirely false that they had *some* unforeseen difficulties but:

1) I just don't think they couldn't foresee the greater demand at all
2) I also don't think they're being sincere in their estimations of how much time it's taking them to recover.

The motivations for 1) and 2) are quite simple: Price fixing.
 

Mithan

Posts: 111   +96
What a mess. And some people think this will magically resolve itself next year with normal post covid production.

It wont. There is a huge ramp up in demand now, that just keeps building. nVidia would probably need to double their production, for a full year to even make a dent in things. Good luck.
 

amghwk

Posts: 1,055   +969
Bottom line - graphics cards are becoming more obscenely expensive, difficult to get and the currently available me-too games, sequels and "remake" games are not worth playing.

Things have never been this hopeless before for PC gaming.

I'm glad there are emulators to keep the classics alive, even on a modest laptop or desktop.

 

Xex360

Posts: 86   +107
That's certainly the official story. Now, I'm inclined to believe a global increase in demand on these fabs across multiple areas caused the issue in conjunction with the pandemic restrictions and stopping, however, I say "Official story" for a reason: I just don't think none of the companies couldn't foresee the increase in demand as companies are very likely to bid for fab allocation year in advance of the nodes actually being considered good enough for production runs.

So it's probably not entirely false that they had *some* unforeseen difficulties but:

1) I just don't think they couldn't foresee the greater demand at all
2) I also don't think they're being sincere in their estimations of how much time it's taking them to recover.

The motivations for 1) and 2) are quite simple: Price fixing.
Given the level of greed I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. It makes more sense than those blaming mining.
 

Watzupken

Posts: 241   +225
3080 Ti compete with 6900XT cause it is the closest GPU in the price. Yes both card bad value compared to cheaper models

But 3080 Ti is not bad value compared to 6900XT. It cost little more (based on official price) it. performs better in 4K, much better in RT and also support DLSS2.0 on top of that. It does cost little more, but for people who already paying 1000 dollars it is not going to make much difference. Going by that, 3080 Ti is good alternative (if not better) to 6900XT

If you going to conclude that 3080 Ti is not for gamers, then 6900XT is also not for gamers.
Eh, I won't conclude that it cost "a little more" than the RX 6900 XT. Looking at current pricing of RTX 3080, it is more expensive than a RX 6900 XT. So unless you can really get a RTX 3080 Ti at the supposed MSRP, otherwise you are likely going to pay a lot more for the 3080 Ti.

To answer the question who is it for, its for scalpers to continue making money from gamers, assuming these cards are indeed crippled for mining.