GettCouped
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Listen everyone product name mean nothing. Look at silicon wafer size and estimated cost. NVIDIA is scalping us right now!
Let these MSRP sink in....
AMD:
6900xt = $999
6950xt = $1099
7900xt = $899
7900xtx = $999
NVidia:
3070ti = $599
3080 = $699
4070ti = $799
4080 = $1,199
this is exactly why you have to pay $1600+ for a graphics card and I see nothing to brag about here?Speaking of sinking..
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Truth hurts
It's almost like they don't want these cards to sell, and have people buy all the Amphere remaining stock.
"only $800"So it is only $800 after all. Lots of people with egg on their faces, then!
The performance of cards should be pretty good if they are really 3090Ti beaters. Let’s see how well they do in stuff that matters like 4K and RT vs RDOA3.
If this happens, I'm sticking with the 30 series instead.I assume this new pricing scheme means the 4060 will be $699, and the 4050 $599?![]()
Not sure where you made that statistic upIf it's 3x faster than a 3090Ti, that a $6000+ gpu right there!
It's a steal at $800!
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Playing Devil's advocate here, but why should it be that way, just because it was in the past? Consider industries that manufacture products that rely on engineering and new technology, such as cars -- today's models are arguably a lot safer, more fuel efficient, and offer better performance and handling than those from, say, 25 years ago. The price certainly isn't the same, and yet they have continued to sell.The whole point of new generations of GPUs is better performance for the price - a fixed price bracket where the performance improves.
Speaking of sinking..
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Truth hurts
It doesn't help that all of Europe was allegedly only allotted a grand total of 10.000 cards. It's easy to sell out when there isn't much to begin with.its strange at least in Estonia, where there are 100 of 4000 series cards in online stores, but all AMD 7000 series are sold out >)
As meric was pointing out too, the truth is that the GPU market is currently being destroyed, mostly by Nvidia and a portion of overeager consumers - and you're gloating about that! It's like you're happy with it.
Playing devil's advocate to your devil's advocatePlaying Devil's advocate here, but why should it be that way, just because it was in the past? Consider industries that manufacture products that rely on engineering and new technology, such as cars -- today's models are arguably a lot safer, more fuel efficient, and offer better performance and handling than those from, say, 25 years ago. The price certainly isn't the same, and yet they have continued to sell.
Every aspect of a GPU and graphics card, from the R&D to the testing, to the manufacturing, storage and distribution of all the parts has increased in complexity, cost, and to varying degrees, quality. For example, in the last financial year, AMD spent just under $3 billion in R&D alone; Nvidia spent $5 billion on R&D alone, roughly a third of AMD's entire revenue for the same period. AMD's cost of revenue was $8.5 billion, Nvidia's was $9.4 billion.
Now, one might argue that CPUs have remained relatively static, in terms of price, and that they too are affected by the same cost increases. However, they are much cheaper to produce and sell in larger volumes than graphics cards do (for example, Mindfactory in Germany sold over 250,000 CPUs during 2022, nearly double that for GPUs).
The days of graphics cards staying the same price, but just getting faster with each generation, are gone, unfortunately. Nvidia has gone with extremely high prices, simply because it can (whether this is sustainable or not remains to be seen, though), but AMD and Intel are almost certainly going to follow suit -- not to the same degree, as neither have the market share where they can force such prices.
I got my first computer one year before Compaq formedWere you around when Compaq was a thing?
Moral of your comment - wait to buy. IMO, that's the best strategy for now.Whoa, the RTX 4070 Ti only averages TEN frames per second faster than the RX 7900 XT at 1440p with RT Ultra turned on? I guess that with RT turned on, the gulf between GeForce and Radeon is going to be irrelevant for the lower-tier cards coming out later this year. With this being less than half of the RT delta between the RTX 4080 and RX 7900 XTX, there is clearly a trend being revealed to us. I expect that the RTX 4070 and RX 7800 XT will have RT parity based on the way things are going. That will be huge because most people don't game at resolutions higher than 1440p.
I see a silver lining to this. This card will force the RX 7900 XT down in price by at least $200. At $700, the RX 7900 XT will be a lot more compelling than it was at its original $900 MSRP. What will be really interesting will be what the price of the eventual RX 7800 XT and below will be. My original estimate of $550 won't be too far off it seems and the performance should be similar or better than the RX 6950 XT in rasterisation and will undoubtedly be more robust than the 6950 XT with RT turned on.
At $700, the cost-per-frame at 4K for the RX 7900 XT would drop to $7.44, making it a fantastic value. This is the price that the RX 7900 XT should have been in the first place (it also should have been called the RX 7800 XT but that's irrelevant at this point) and at $700, it will sell VERY well. Moreover, it will force the previous models even further down, making the GPU landscape A LOT better than it has been because there's no way that retailers will be able to charge what they're currently charging for cards like the RX 6900/50 XT. They'll have to drop to $500 or below. Since the RX 6900/50 XT cards are still fantastic gaming devices, this will be great for gamers everywhere.
It's true that things are higher quality. However, we have better technology with which to produce these higher quality products, and also, have you ever heard of inflation? If everything is higher quality, and every company charges more based on that, what you get is inflation. Inflation is not a good thing. I hope intel can make some decent drivers and maybe drag down the prices in NVidia's monopoly, where it squeezes every penny out of its customers.Playing Devil's advocate here, but why should it be that way, just because it was in the past? Consider industries that manufacture products that rely on engineering and new technology, such as cars -- today's models are arguably a lot safer, more fuel efficient, and offer better performance and handling than those from, say, 25 years ago. The price certainly isn't the same, and yet they have continued to sell.
Every aspect of a GPU and graphics card, from the R&D to the testing, to the manufacturing, storage and distribution of all the parts has increased in complexity, cost, and to varying degrees, quality. For example, in the last financial year, AMD spent just under $3 billion in R&D alone; Nvidia spent $5 billion on R&D alone, roughly a third of AMD's entire revenue for the same period. AMD's cost of revenue was $8.5 billion, Nvidia's was $9.4 billion.
Now, one might argue that CPUs have remained relatively static, in terms of price, and that they too are affected by the same cost increases. However, they are much cheaper to produce and sell in larger volumes than graphics cards do (for example, Mindfactory in Germany sold over 250,000 CPUs during 2022, nearly double that for GPUs).
The days of graphics cards staying the same price, but just getting faster with each generation, are gone, unfortunately. Nvidia has gone with extremely high prices, simply because it can (whether this is sustainable or not remains to be seen, though), but AMD and Intel are almost certainly going to follow suit -- not to the same degree, as neither have the market share where they can force such prices.
What's better is when NVidia sells already overpriced cards directly to scalpers (who probably give NVidia just a bit extra for their consideration!).It doesn't help that all of Europe was allegedly only allotted a grand total of 10.000 cards. It's easy to sell out when there isn't much to begin with.
Damn straight!Moral of your comment - wait to buy. IMO, that's the best strategy for now.
I couldn't agree more. I dId some research showing that the industry thrived for almost THIRTY years with the prices of cards remaining stable. There was price creep of about $10 per year on average. Anyone who would defend them with tales of "inflation" is either lying or is just plain stupid because they're implying that the last five years have had 3x as much inflation as the THIRTY years that preceded them. Such a thing is impossible in countries with stable economies (although to be fair, capitalist economies are doomed to collapse eventually).It's true that things are higher quality. However, we have better technology with which to produce these higher quality products, and also, have you ever heard of inflation? If everything is higher quality, and every company charges more based on that, what you get is inflation. Inflation is not a good thing. I hope intel can make some decent drivers and maybe drag down the prices in NVidia's monopoly, where it squeezes every penny out of its customers.
But it is not.If it's 3x faster than a 3090Ti, that a $6000+ gpu right there!
It's a steal at $800!
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People also complained when video game prices went up. Do they really expect things to stay the same forever? It's not realistic, even if it's JUST for the fact that wages slowly creep up.The days of graphics cards staying the same price, but just getting faster with each generation, are gone, unfortunately. Nvidia has gone with extremely high prices, simply because it can (whether this is sustainable or not remains to be seen, though), but AMD and Intel are almost certainly going to follow suit -- not to the same degree, as neither have the market share where they can force such prices.
Yeah, stick it to Jensen by having an nVidia card in your PC!"only $800"
If this happens, I'm sticking with the 30 series instead.
Do you think that Jensen Huang actually cares? People like you give him money no matter what he does and as long as you keep buying nVidia cards, nothing will ever change.The whole point of new generations of GPUs is better performance for the price - a fixed price bracket where the performance improves. Just making more expensive and more powerful cards defeats the purpose of that.
So... let me get this straight. To make nVidia stop with the price hikes, you're going to buy or have already bought an nVidia card? Just how is that plan of yours supposed to work?Nvidia stop with the price hikes
They might, just as soon as AMD starts making compelling GPUs. Being cheaper is not the only type of positive change.If you truly want to affect positive change in the GPU market, your next three video cards will have to come in red boxes, it's just that simple.
Thanks for convincing me to buy amdYeah, stick it to Jensen by having an nVidia card in your PC!
Do you think that Jensen Huang actually cares? People like you give him money no matter what he does and as long as you keep buying nVidia cards, nothing will ever change.
The anti-consumer practices of nVidia aren't exactly new and they exist because people like you complain but then bend over and take it:
So... let me get this straight. To make nVidia stop with the price hikes, you're going to buy or have already bought an nVidia card? Just how is that plan of yours supposed to work?
That's the kind of logic that got us into this mess to begin with!
Joking aside, I saw what nVidia was doing over a decade ago and have done the only thing that anyone can to make nVidia change its ways, I refused to buy their cards. You are buying their cards which is enabling their behaviour so you're not really in any position to be complaining, are you? If you only buy nVidia cards, then you helped create the problem that now exists, the problem that you're all pissy about.
I was more or less unaffected by nVidia's price-gouging for the longest time because I wasn't buying nVidia cards. People like you changed all that, even for me. People who kept buying nVidia cards have forced me to pay more for Radeons and here's why:
This is how things played out for far too long:
- 1) nVidia would release a cards that were expensive and bad values.
- 2) People like you would complain.
- 3) ATi/AMD would release cards that crushed GeForce at every mainstream price-point
- 4) nVidia would lower their prices to better compete with Radeon but would still cost more
- 5) People like you would buy the GeForce cards at their new lower price
- 6) Radeons would only sell out when put on clearance at the end of the generation
- 7) Rinse, repeat.
I knew that the way things were going weren't sustainable. AMD finally said:
"Screw these whiny babies! We offer them better performance and value but they STILL choose GeForce no matter what! From now on, we're not going to try to help consumers anymore because we're going broke trying and they don't deserve it!"
- They're not wrong and to their credit, they took it for a lot longer than I would have.
So now, AMD just lets nVidia release first and then prices their cards strategically based on what the GeForce cards are priced at. So now I am affected by nVidia pricing, a situation which was directly caused by people like you buy nVidia no matter what.
When you think about it, I would have every right to be pissed off at you for this but I know that you didn't intend for this to happen. You just weren't able to see past your own nose, fell for nVidia's marketing and bought GeForce cards, like most people these days. It was all about you and that's the kind of mentality that Jensen banks on because it's the same mentality that he has.
If you truly want to affect positive change in the GPU market, your next three video cards will have to come in red boxes, it's just that simple. A man is always willing to put his money where his mouth is. That's really all you have to do. Acting otherwise makes your words insincere and weightless. Sooner or later, some people actually wake up and see what is happening around them in the market and are willing to do what is needed.
It's not like it's some big sacrifice because the difference between GeForce and Radeon is about the same as the difference between Core and Ryzen. For 99.9% of the time, you can't tell one from the other when using it.