Pakistan lifts YouTube ban, reinstates ban minutes later

[captaincranky]

I'm just pointing out that you have little to no footing to back up your attacks against religion. You say people who have faith in a divine being cannot be right because of Darwin's theory. But when I say you are the one who needs more faith in a "scientific theory", you all of a sudden get offended and back up. Good! I took a troll off guard...

As I pointed out, in Genesis, "on the 6th day, God created man in his own image"! (and then of course he rested, ostensibly after his crowning triumph, "man").
To rephrase that, "man deeply believes he's God's gift to the world". You epitomize that POV, and I'm happy to argue with you all night. As for me being, "taken off guard", that about fits with this rest of your bizarre level of unfounded, unwarranted, self satisfaction.

To so fervently pronounce faith in a "supreme being", to me just signals a lack of self worth as a species, and a complete lack of self confidence in one's ability to do the right thing for one's self, and the rest of the world.

You really lack skills in judgement, if you need to walk around asking yourself, "what would God want me to do in this situation". Or, if you walk around thinking, "God will forgive me for doing this". So no, I'm not ever buying a used car from you, whether it be figurative, "faith based", or literal.

 

[captaincranky]

Personally, IF there is some magical being who grants wishes and holds me accountable after death, THEN I will believe in it as I will have confirmed it myself. Untill then dont you think its kinda silly to sit and argue something that none of you have personally witnessed? Your arguing a belief structure with only a book that has been rewritten well over seven times, and over mathmatical data.
Untill "God" makes an appearence on the 6 oclock news, isnt it all just supposition and wishful thinking?

Ain't it the truth? And with the advent of an all volunteer army, in an era of the obsolescence of trench warfare, it's even quite difficult to prove the old axiom, "there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole".....

 

[m4a4]

As I pointed out, in Genesis, "on the 6th day, God created man in his own image"! (and then of course he rested, ostensibly after his crowning triumph, "man").
To rephrase that, "man deeply believes he's God's gift to the world". You epitomize that POV, and I'm happy to argue with you all night. As for me being, "taken off guard", that about fits with this rest of your bizarre level of unfounded, unwarranted, self satisfaction.

To so fervently pronounce faith in a "supreme being", to me just signals a lack of self worth as a species, and a complete lack of self confidence in one's ability to do the right thing for one's self, and the rest of the world.

You really lack skills in judgement, if you need to walk around asking yourself, "what would God want me to do in this situation". Or, if you walk around thinking, "God will forgive me for doing this". So no, I'm not ever buying a used car from you, hether it be figurative, or literal.

And the troll keeps trolling! I'll take queue from Tygerstrike and end this pointless "debate" (since you don't seem to care who's argument has merit). Good day.

 

[captaincranky]

And the troll keeps trolling! I'll take queue from Tygerstrike and end this pointless "debate" (since you don't seem to care who's argument has merit). Good day.

Well there you go, just pronounce yourself the better man, that's soooo godlike. Why not skip the "tact" altogether and declare, "I'm right and you're wrong, because I said so".

If your reading comprehension skills were a tad better, (never mind, exponentially better), you'd see that Tygerstrike is waiting for "God to appear on the 6 O'clock news" before he believes. That hardly screams, "you're right m4a4, now does it?

There's a job for you. You could make good money being God's press agent. But would it be meet and proper to be paid for that service? Of course it would. The Roman Catholic Church has turned itself into one of the world's most successful business, and they haven't gotten God to appear for one single gig.....

BTW, the debate ethic I try to adhere to is very simply this, "the first one that starts calling names loses". Calling someone a "troll" amounts to name calling, does it not?

I'd invite you over to finish this discussion, but I'm sore afraid you'd send an army of "conquistadors" to force me to believe.

 

[Tygerstrike]

Exactly!! How can anyone argue any points with religion or science without first discovering for themselves whether or not the argument they have is even valid. I know MATH explains to me that the universe can bring order from its own chaos. Have I personally seen it? Kinda. See the last experiment they did in space with salt granuals. I also know that some guy stands up on a podium and tells me Im going to Hell unless God saves me. As he waves his Bible and reads from it. The math is easier to understand and it can be written out and explained. Not so much with the crazy man telling me I need to be saved. When they start giving guided tours of Heaven then there will be some form of proof, atleast to me, that there is a God. Untill then I will continue to exist using the tools I have been born with to explore my world and interact with it. My eyes and ears and Brain.

 

[captaincranky]

And speaking of, "sacred texts", everybody should try this one on for size:

(Although I dare say you likely have to be at least 55 or so to get that joke..... ).

 

[cliffordcooley]

The Roman Catholic Church has turned itself into one of the world's most successful business

And thats when they lost their way, or at least when it became evident. When religion turns from being a personal venture of reading the book to a business adventure drawing revenue, ideals and beliefs go out the window.

 

[captaincranky]

And thats when they lost their way, or at least when it became evident. When religion turns from being a personal venture of reading the book to a business adventure drawing revenue, ideals and beliefs go out the window.

I really think you should amend that statement a bit.

Perhaps, "and that's when they lost their way, or at least when it became evident to a few". Something along those lines.

Although in a dramatic reversal of fortune, nowadays they seem to be paying out almost as much they're taking in.

Back to topic. According to many, Pakistan still, (at least in secret), practices a caste system.

Google search page on the topicv: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=Caste system in pakistan&oq=Caste system in pakistan&gs_l=firefox-hp.3..0l3j0i30l2j0i5i30l5.20184.29545.0.30009.24.17.0.7.7.0.158.1778.5j12.17.0...0.0...1ac.1.XCqFwkl_Zwk

Which brings forth the question, are they even ready for the telephone land line, let alone internet and Youtube"?

It might break too many people's heads.

Although, I suppose "Bollywood" video tape rentals wouldn't harm the society as a whole. Now if we could only stop the Pakistani government from pissing their money on nuclear armaments, and get them to give out chits for a few second hand VCRs.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I really think you should amend that statement a bit.

Perhaps, "and that's when they lost their way, or at least when it became evident to a few". Something along those lines.

Your probably right, I haven't been known to be good with words.

 

[Pan Wah]

Hahaha, some of you call religious people bigoted for believing in a "God" yet you sound just as bigoted as they do when you claim there can be no such thing. My faith in humanity is restored /endSarcasm
But seriously, ever thought about how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos? It makes intelligent design look pretty believable...

No. No-one but you has mentioned the concept of belief in God being bigotry, also of course it is scientifically possible for life to have formed in compliance with well-understood principles of Physics. Apart from that, spot on! (y)

 

[m4a4]

Hahaha, some of you call religious people bigoted for believing in a "God" yet you sound just as bigoted as they do when you claim there can be no such thing. My faith in humanity is restored /endSarcasm
But seriously, ever thought about how scientifically impossible it would be for life to have formed from chaos? It makes intelligent design look pretty believable...

No. No-one but you has mentioned the concept of belief in God being bigotry, also of course it is scientifically possible for life to have formed in compliance with well-understood principles of Physics. Apart from that, spot on! (y)

Here: http://culturaldeceptions.blogspot.ca/2008/10/odds-of-protein.html

 

[Zoltan Head]

Here: http://culturaldeceptions.blogspot.ca/2008/10/odds-of-protein.html

Yes, what of it?
Pan Wah is right.

 

[captaincranky]

Here: http://culturaldeceptions.blogspot.ca/2008/10/odds-of-protein.html

We're all just going to flock to some radical website and embrace their teachings, because after all, it's not possible they have an agenda, and everything you read on the web is true...

"May the lord bless you and keep you, make his face shine upon you, and give you peace". For me it would be preferable if he gave your address to every Jehovah's Witness in your state, and they all stopped by to keep you company. Don't forget to recycle the "Watchtower'! (Unless of course you intend keeping them as a reference library).

 

[m4a4]

Please captaincranky or Zoltan Head, disprove what the guy is getting at on that site. You know, beyond dismissing it because you are too closed minded to even look at it.
Try proving the scientific possibility of life being created from nothing. Then I will take you seriously beyond internet religious trolls.

 

[captaincranky]

Please captaincranky or Zoltan Head, disprove what the guy is getting at on that site. You know, beyond dismissing it because you are too closed minded to even look at it.
Try proving the scientific possibility of life being created from nothing. Then I will take you seriously beyond internet religious trolls.

I suspect that to gain any traction whatsoever with whatever we might, "bring forth", we'd have to come over to your place, sit in your hedges, and set ourselves on fire.

Last night you were going on about how you were "above arguing about this", and I was "a troll".

But now, the more we disagree, the harder you feel the need to thump your bible at us..

Psychiatrists have speculated the people in olden times could not reconcile their "conscience" as being part of them, but rather believed those voices were, "from God". That puts a tidy bow around what I call, "the Joan of Arc phenomenon". Joanie girl, in this day and age, would probably be diagnosed as "schizophrenic"

(And BTW, the French troops raped her to try and get rid of the whole, "Maid of Orleans", "I'm a virgin, so I'm better than you" annoyance, in advance of executing her).

(BTW, her method of execution was by burning at the stake. I think that was pretty foresighted for the time, as it precludes her being exhumed for a vaginal DNA swab, or a pelvic exam).

Likely Moses too would be deemed, "non compus mentus". however heretical that may sound to you. Burning bush, oh really, did he now? That sort of thing. The only suspension of disbelief you have to make here, is that good, as well as evil, can be accomplished by a mentally defective individual. I don't have trouble making that, "leap of faith".

Which again, "brings forth" the question, "how are the voices in your head hanging"? (I'm sorry, that was mean).

Now, why not take your own advice, and move on?

 

[Ultraman1966]

Life wasn't randomly generated which is why m4a4, that Web page is junk. Life follows "rules" of chemistry and physics. Chemical reactions take place in accordance to set principles; the laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed etc.
Let me ask you this, if life, intelligent life was found in another star system with their pantheon of gods, how would you reconcile that with your beliefs?

 

[captaincranky]

Life wasn't randomly generated which is why m4a4, that Web page is junk. Life follows "rules" of chemistry and physics. Chemical reactions take place in accordance to set principles; the laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed etc.

OK, I'm going to give you your first like, because I do like this post.

Let me ask you this, if life, intelligent life was found in another star system with their pantheon of gods, how would you reconcile that with your beliefs?

Even being an atheist, I could produce several faith based answers to this. Here's one; "Since we've discovered life on another planet, that only reinforces my belief in an all powerful supreme being. And since I am a mortal man, I cannot know all that is within God's will or power. So perhaps I've underestimated God, and overestimated my understanding of his ways".

It's meet, it's humble and it saves face. I don't believe a stinking word of it, but I can argue either side of the coin flip.

The topic was a slippery slope leading to a powder keg right from the start. "Fundamentalist Islamic government blocks freedom of speech".

Anybody here think that wasn't an accident waiting to happen?

Now, I'm going to ask you, as a gentleman, to please let this discussion die. No further good can come of it, nor any change of outcome will we be able to initiate.

 

[Pan Wah]

Try proving the scientific possibility of life being created from nothing.

A good scientist would never claim to have proven anything - we leave that to the pseudo-religious half-wits that promote "faith" over information and rigorous testing (and thank you for a good laugh at a bible-basher calling someone closed minded!)

 

[m4a4]

A good scientist would never claim to have proven anything - we leave that to the pseudo-religious half-wits that promote "faith" over information and rigorous testing (and thank you for a good laugh at a bible-basher calling someone closed minded!)

TRY proving. Cite SOMETHING to counter what was said. But now I'm laughing because you try justifying why you won't be able to do that (over the information and math that was presented. Not faith)... Whatever. I'm done here anyways.

Life wasn't randomly generated which is why m4a4, that Web page is junk. Life follows "rules" of chemistry and physics. Chemical reactions take place in accordance to set principles; the laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed etc.
Let me ask you this, if life, intelligent life was found in another star system with their pantheon of gods, how would you reconcile that with your beliefs?

Wasn't randomly generated? That is basically what I was getting at! Following the rules or not, it would still be scientifically impossible for such "luck" to happen! But I don't care anymore.

Now, I'm going to ask you, as a gentleman, to please let this discussion die. No further good can come of it, nor any change of outcome will we be able to initiate

Sounds about right. It's not (and usually never is) a discussion for the internets anyways...

Oh, and if other intelligent life was found out in space (or even plant life), it wouldn't fit most of the religions/beliefs (besides the ones like Gaia). I for one wouldn't believe as it wouldn't seem logical. But for now, I personally believe there is no life beyond Earth...

 

[Tygerstrike]

m4a4
What would it matter what they attempt to show you. Your belief structure is so rigid as to not accept anything that doesnt fall into your world view. So no matter how hard they try you will never understand thier viewpoint because you cant. Its just not how you are wired. Thats understandable in some areas, but you cant just sit there and thump your religion and say "believe dammit!" and that will happen. The great part about being a HUMAN creature is that we get to THINK for ourselves.

 

[Doctor John]

TRY proving. Cite SOMETHING to counter what was said. But now I'm laughing because you try justifying why you won't be able to do that (over the information and math that was presented. Not faith)...

Silly person. The previous poster just told you why it is meaningless to claim to "prove" anything, but you apparently can't listen to or understand anything! Why nobody can "prove" anything is already justified by the scientific method, that nothing is certain or sacred, everything can be questioned, tested, and investigated. If science didn't work, you wouldn't be reading this - QED. Also, no information or "math" was presented, only a link to a load of irrational dross.
And yes, I know you have both fingers in your ears and are singing loudly, it's fine, I don't require a reply.

 

[captaincranky]

I have a participated in this thread, while giving great thought and consideration to the pitfalls and dangers of its contents! Verily, I say to thee, it has brought me to the brink of agonizing over them!

And now, it has pointed me toward the means by which I will achieve my own "salvation". I'm overcome with rapture as I announce the path toward righteousness I will choose after my "reincarnation".

So, I my next life, I'm going to avoid the s*** that is attendant to these types of pointless, futile discussions, and I will become a "tour guide in a minefield".... Can I get a "Hallelujah"....?

(Even a little one like this, "hallelujah", would be enough to placate me).

(Notice that I wrote that post in a scriptural style. Notice also how many times it took saying, "I", and "me" & "my" to do it! There's a lesson there).

 

[TorturedChaos]

I need to make some popcorn before I read the rest of these post. This is the most entertaining thing I have read all year. (Although that doesn't set the bar very high since we are only 3 days into this year...).

 

[captaincranky]

Whatever. I'm done here anyways.

Promises, promises. You said that before......ROFL!

I need to make some popcorn before I read the rest of these post. This is the most entertaining thing I have read all year. (Although that doesn't set the bar very high since we are only 3 days into this year...).

I've seen forums with a custom "popcorn" emoticon for this very reason

One click, an ya got yerself a post. Plus, it's ambiguous enough so that no one can tell if you're enjoying the show, or expressing your disdain....

 

[cliffordcooley]

But for now, I personally believe there is no life beyond Earth...

What would possibly make you think, God doesn't have another science project else where in the galaxy?

For the record there is proof God exist, but you won't find it attending a dead church. But then why would you attend a church that is ridiculed by the masses? It's your life you can choose to believe or not, I really don't care. We will all pay for our misguided adventures. What I do not believe in is an eternal hell where you will spend the rest of your existence. You see that would mean God is not as forgiving as everyone teaches. What I do believe is that everyone will be purified through what is know as the lake of fire and all impurities will remain in the lake of fire. The amount of punishment will depend upon how long it takes the purification.

• The Bible speaks of the righteous becoming teachers. Teachers of what or whom may I ask?
• The Bible speaks of purification stages. Purification stages of what if you are sentenced to eternal hell?

And no I'm not here Bible thumping. If I was doing that, I could most definitely use some practice what I preach. I'm simply here mentioning what I believe and spreading a few questions that would prove a few (or most) religions wrong in there teachings. The Bible also suggest, beware of false prophets. How would you even know, if you don't read (this is my downfall) the text yourself?

And here is something else I believe, the New King James Bible (or the King James) is not the original Bible. Since it was interpreted, I wonder how much of its meaning was lost in translation? You know Google has a real issue with translating one language to another.