Phil Spencer implies The Elder Scrolls 6 will be exclusive to Xbox and PC

DZillaXx

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Eventually they will release it for the PS. No one will avoid the huge user base of the PS ecosystem and lose the extra jackpot money that this can generate. Releasing TES VI for the PS ecosystem can provide them with at least half of the PC & Xbox combined revenue. MS is not stupid. This is a PR stunt. And the author of the article knows this.

I wouldn't count on this coming out for the PS4.

So the PS Ecosystem is not going to be massively larger than Xbox when you leave PS4 out. Let alone PC + Xbox.

MS isn't going to be losing out, Xbox and PC covers a vast majority of gamers. Those that are PS only are a minority. And those are the ones MS is trying to sell a product to. Series S is cheap enough for those to get on the Xbox Train for gamepass goodness.


MS has no reason to put their AAA games onto Sony consoles. The Series X is hands down a better console, there is no doubt there. You can boot into dev mode and run emulators. There is game enhancements for older titles, etc. Only thing the PS5 has over the Series X is the better controller features. One area that MS really didn't push the bar.
 

Burty117

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Nott really...more like they are following Microsoft's lead. Only difference is MS release their exclusives day 1 on PC....while Sony offers up last gen efforts to fund new game development and lure potential new customers who don't wanna wait 2,3, or 4 years for the next instalment to be released on PC.
I said starting to, not that they have, they had never released any first party games onto any other platforms other than their own until recently.
That's not really comparable as Microsoft also release on PC, if they started to release games on Xbox and Switch then that would be them going the other route.

Currently once Sony start to fully support PC (Day on releases) then they are on equal footing
Look, I get it, I'm primarily a PC player and I don't have an Xbox so I'm all in favour for Microsoft releasing their games at the sometime on PC.
I was merely stating that Sony have never released their first party games on any other platforms before and in the last couple of years we're seeing them change that.
I wouldn't count on this coming out for the PS4.

So the PS Ecosystem is not going to be massively larger than Xbox when you leave PS4 out. Let alone PC + Xbox.
Last I heard, the PS5 is outselling the Xbox Series S/X by two to one and is the only console that was able to break Nintendo's sales streak. You're massively underestimating how big the PlayStation Ecosystem is.
MS has no reason to put their AAA games onto Sony consoles.
Ordinarily I would agree with you, the problem here is, all past games in the series have been released on PlayStation and therefore has a massive fan base there. I can't find any official numbers but all numbers I can find for Skyrim, Playstation sold far more copies (in the millions) vs the Xbox version.

Microsoft could be losing a lot of cash by not selling it on PlayStation is the truth of the matter.
 

DZillaXx

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I said starting to, not that they have, they had never released any first party games onto any other platforms other than their own until recently.

Look, I get it, I'm primarily a PC player and I don't have an Xbox so I'm all in favour for Microsoft releasing their games at the sometime on PC.
I was merely stating that Sony have never released their first party games on any other platforms before and in the last couple of years we're seeing them change that.

Last I heard, the PS5 is outselling the Xbox Series S/X by two to one and is the only console that was able to break Nintendo's sales streak. You're massively underestimating how big the PlayStation Ecosystem is.

Ordinarily I would agree with you, the problem here is, all past games in the series have been released on PlayStation and therefore has a massive fan base there. I can't find any official numbers but all numbers I can find for Skyrim, Playstation sold far more copies (in the millions) vs the Xbox version.

Microsoft could be losing a lot of cash by not selling it on PlayStation is the truth of the matter.
First, Skyrim was a PS3 vs 360 title, and originally sold much more on Xbox. Sure it was released for PS4/XB1, and yeah PS4 sales would be higher in that area. The Game was always really popular with the PC & Xbox crowd.

Second, The PS5 and XSX are selling as fast as they can be made. Sony clearly is able to produce more PS5's. And while PS5 already has a nice lead over XSX, the list doesn't factor anything sold directly by Microsoft. While the EU may have a huge following of PS users, in America it is not the same.

Third, MS and Apple goes back and forth between being the largest companies in the world in terms of Market Cap. I don't think they really care about making money from a single game. It is more about gaining market share and pushing the Xbox Ecosystem. MS is playing the long game here, and by long I mean long.

Unlike MS, Sony is not a company that has a "lot" of capital. Hell a decade ago they were damn near bankrupt if it wasn't for the PS3's surge at the end of its life. MS's cloud services are also all in house and done at price scales Sony could only dream about. It is crazy to think about, but MS makes so much more money as a company over Sony. It isn't even close. And they have nothing to prove to shareholders, they have money in the bank and decades of success. Sony can't just go out an do the things Microsoft does.

While MS keeps Xbox operating mostly in its own bubble, cash does flow from big daddy when they want it. Hence the whole Bethesda deal. Of which was a company that has always worked closely with Microsoft, and wanted MS to buy them. Just as most of Sony's accusations have been focused. Sure they may not have been a 2nd party MS studio, but they have been close to MS for decades.
 

Burty117

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First, Skyrim was a PS3 vs 360 title, and originally sold much more on Xbox. Sure it was released for PS4/XB1, and yeah PS4 sales would be higher in that area. The Game was always really popular with the PC & Xbox crowd.
Again, I can't find anything official other than some stats from the first two days of release. Out of 3.4 million copies sold, Xbox 360 took 59% of sales, PS3 was 27% and PC was 14%. Always popular with the PC crowd, sure, but even more popular with the PlayStation crowd, most likely.
Second, The PS5 and XSX are selling as fast as they can be made. Sony clearly is able to produce more PS5's. And while PS5 already has a nice lead over XSX, the list doesn't factor anything sold directly by Microsoft. While the EU may have a huge following of PS users, in America it is not the same.
Hold on a minute, let's fast forward to your own comments...
Third, MS and Apple goes back and forth between being the largest companies in the world...
And
Unlike MS, Sony is not a company that has a "lot" of capital. Hell a decade ago they were damn near bankrupt if it wasn't for the PS3's surge at the end of its life. MS's cloud services are also all in house and done at price scales Sony could only dream about. It is crazy to think about, but MS makes so much more money as a company over Sony. It isn't even close.
Yet they can't produce as many consoles as "the little guy"...
I don't think they really care about making money from a single game.
You don't think they care about making money? Right...
Just as most of Sony's accusations have been focused. Sure they may not have been a 2nd party MS studio, but they have been close to MS for decades.
Right so they were close, just not "that" close? Not sure what you're getting at here.

Anyway, my entire point was that they bought a particularly large developer who has already built millions of fans on other platforms who are happy to pay £70 for the next Elder Scrolls. £70x5 million=£350 million. Take off whatever you want from that figure, you're still left with hundreds of millions. And I'm probably being quite conservative with a 5 million sales figure for the PS5.
 

DZillaXx

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Again, I can't find anything official other than some stats from the first two days of release. Out of 3.4 million copies sold, Xbox 360 took 59% of sales, PS3 was 27% and PC was 14%. Always popular with the PC crowd, sure, but even more popular with the PlayStation crowd, most likely.

Hold on a minute, let's fast forward to your own comments...

And

Yet they can't produce as many consoles as "the little guy"...

You don't think they care about making money? Right...

Right so they were close, just not "that" close? Not sure what you're getting at here.

Anyway, my entire point was that they bought a particularly large developer who has already built millions of fans on other platforms who are happy to pay £70 for the next Elder Scrolls. £70x5 million=£350 million. Take off whatever you want from that figure, you're still left with hundreds of millions. And I'm probably being quite conservative with a 5 million sales figure for the PS5.
IDK if you where there for Skyrim's release on PC, I was a day one player. It was bug ridden and had major game breaking bugs that would stop the story line in its tracks until updates that didn't go out till weeks later. But this game was on and off Steam's most played list for over a decade, so take that for what it is.


MS is not a manufacture. Like Apple MS pays others to build their consoles. Supply chain is limited to just that. They also have to bid against others for product line dedication. MS may be leagues bigger than Sony, but Sony being its own manufacture is a huge plus. As as we all know, scaling up manufacturing doesn't happen overnight. Otherwise we wouldn't have a Fab problem ATM.

MS Bought a large Developer because Zenimax went to MS with the intent for MS to buy them out. Bethesda wanted MS to be the owner, and it is public knowledge that they have had decades of working experience with Microsoft.

If you are a fan of a game series, platform doesn't matter. Consoles are cheap. What is even cheaper is just streaming the game from Gamepass. No console needed, just an internet connection. If anything MS is going to push to get a Xbox App on the PS5, not put their games on their. MS could care less if your using a PS5 to play games, they just want you to use their service while doing so.

You clearly don't understand business. It has been clear that MS is pushing to get people onto the Xbox platform and/or Xbox as a service. Either you play on PC, Xbox Hardware, or from Xbox's Cloud service.
 

Burty117

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IDK if you where there for Skyrim's release on PC, I was a day one player. It was bug ridden and had major game breaking bugs that would stop the story line in its tracks until updates that didn't go out till weeks later. But this game was on and off Steam's most played list for over a decade, so take that for what it is.
So you were just making it up before then? When you said "more popular on PC", you don't actually know or have any figures to back your claims, you're just going on a feeling? Cool.
MS is not a manufacture. Like Apple MS pays others to build their consoles. Supply chain is limited to just that. They also have to bid against others for product line dedication. MS may be leagues bigger than Sony, but Sony being its own manufacture is a huge plus. As as we all know, scaling up manufacturing doesn't happen overnight. Otherwise we wouldn't have a Fab problem ATM.
Ok, so why big up MS like they're something special when clearly they're not? I don't dispute your claims, it was the way you spent a whole paragraph to slag off Sony that blew my mind.
MS Bought a large Developer because Zenimax went to MS with the intent for MS to buy them out. Bethesda wanted MS to be the owner
Any evidence of this? I cannot find a shred online, I can find the firms who owned Zenimax before the purchase, I cannot find anything, anywhere that says Zenimax approached Microsoft, everything points to the contrary.
it is public knowledge that they have had decades of working experience with Microsoft.
It's also public knowledge they have decades of experience with Sony as well, they released games on both platforms, how could they not?
If you are a fan of a game series, platform doesn't matter. Consoles are cheap.
Consoles are no longer cheap, on top of this, as I have kept saying, they already have an existing fan base, it's not Halo that's always been exclusive to Xbox, or Mario that's always been exclusive to Nintendo. This purchase is different because of the shear size of the existing fanbase, it doesn't really happen that often.
What is even cheaper is just streaming the game from Gamepass. No console needed, just an internet connection.
Ah I see, you're one of those people, Don't like to own anything, love paying monthly subscriptions and to top it off, won't work without an internet connection, can and will be laggy, compressed image and just generally a worse experience? Lovely...
MS could care less if your using a PS5 to play games, they just want you to use their service while doing so.
God you can tell you're American, you say stuff like this and don't even question why they might be pushing so hard to use their services.
You clearly don't understand business. It has been clear that MS is pushing to get people onto the Xbox platform and/or Xbox as a service. Either you play on PC, Xbox Hardware, or from Xbox's Cloud service.
As far as I can tell, they've been doing the opposite, by making virtually nothing Xbox exclusive, I have no reason to buy an Xbox.

Xbox's Cloud Streaming stuff won't go far because it's generally a terrible idea until the worlds internet catches up and even then, what happens to the modding community? How do you preserve games? Game launches suck already, how bad could it get? I definitely won't be putting many eggs in the streaming basket.

Lastly, PC, which Microsoft make considerably less money from since there's no licensing fees and they sell through Steam which takes it's own cut. As I've already tried to explain with at least some stats to back it up, Microsoft would make considerably more money from releasing Elder Scrolls for PlayStation vs the PC.

I get it though, I have a few American friends and they swear by Microsoft and Xbox, usually can't explain why, I guess it's that natural American Patriotism. Hell if the world hadn't gone mad, I'd have probably picked up an Xbox Series X just to play Backwards Compatible TimeSplitters Future Perfect.
 

DZillaXx

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So you were just making it up before then? When you said "more popular on PC", you don't actually know or have any figures to back your claims, you're just going on a feeling? Cool.
On going popularity. Day one sales does not equal lifetime sales. Or does it mean the platform where users spent most of their time. Skyrim's Modding Scene is still a fairly big scene.
Ok, so why big up MS like they're something special when clearly they're not? I don't dispute your claims, it was the way you spent a whole paragraph to slag off Sony that blew my mind.

Any evidence of this? I cannot find a shred online, I can find the firms who owned Zenimax before the purchase, I cannot find anything, anywhere that says Zenimax approached Microsoft, everything points to the contrary.
I never said MS is special. But lets not put Sony on any type of high horse. The company itself is garbage. I love their TV's, but the Firmware issues on said TV's are non stop. As a X900H owner the firmware was never perfect, and this goes for pretty much their entire lineup. I'd buy a Sony TV again, but Sony's software department is a Joke. And that goes for the Playstation division too. If you ever watched any FailOverflow presentations, you'd know even back on the PS4 the software security design is horrendous.

The Zenimax deals were talk over in many of the videoed interviews. I'm not going to waste my time to find any proof of anything I said. Take it for what it is. Youtube is free if you want to find it.
It's also public knowledge they have decades of experience with Sony as well, they released games on both platforms, how could they not?
Oh like Oblivion and Skyrim running like crap on the PS3? Lets be real, PS platforms were never their strong suit in the past. And PS4 and onward PC and Consoles are nearly the same, with consoles having weak CPU's in the PS4/XB1.

Their work with Sony has been minimal at best. Bethesda for example goes back to the DOS days, and if you've ever watched any reviews with devs on many of their large projects you'd know their involvement with Microsoft.
Consoles are no longer cheap, on top of this, as I have kept saying, they already have an existing fan base, it's not Halo that's always been exclusive to Xbox, or Mario that's always been exclusive to Nintendo. This purchase is different because of the shear size of the existing fanbase, it doesn't really happen that often.
Consoles are cheap. A Series S is $299. That is about 1/3 of a weekly take home paycheck for many avg working class individuals. The only people who think a console is expensive are the ones working entry level jobs, and for those people. Gaming should be lower on their priority list, especially if it just a single game. Used and on sale games/consoles are best here. Or old gaming rigs.

The PS2 launched @ 299 as well. Two decades ago. With inflation that'd be $489 today. And with game sales, the games are often super cheap as well.
Ah I see, you're one of those people, Don't like to own anything, love paying monthly subscriptions and to top it off, won't work without an internet connection, can and will be laggy, compressed image and just generally a worse experience? Lovely...
I love a physical Console. I also love choices. Don't want to buy an xbox but want to play a single game, pay for a few months of a service that will allow you to play it. Simple as that. And implying something will be laggy without trying it first is sad. If you were able to suffer with the PS3's frame drops, internet connection spikes are no different. User's should know to make sure their network hardware and connection is solid, good bufferbloat score is welcome.

Also owning a game is pointless if you are never going to play it again. So many one and done games are worthless to own. I have stacks and stacks of physical games, and I hate it. If trading digital games were a thing, I'd be 100% digital.

I'm over own physical Music, and 100% digital on my physical movie collection (Thanks Plex). Disc's can F**K Off.
God you can tell you're American, you say stuff like this and don't even question why they might be pushing so hard to use their services.
My personal opinion and what MS is going to do are two different topics. I'm telling you MS has no plans to put AAA games on PlayStation. Personally I'd like every game on every platform, same goes for Sony titles worth playing like Spiderman, God of War, Horizon, and Ghost of Tsushima.

But because I understand business. It makes more sense for MS to push gamepass cloud onto the PS5 for those users to play MS's games. The small fanbase that are only rocking PS5 consoles are not worth the trouble.
As far as I can tell, they've been doing the opposite, by making virtually nothing Xbox exclusive, I have no reason to buy an Xbox.
Xbox isn't just a console anymore. Xbox is an ecosystem and includes the PC. MS doesn't need you to be a Xbox Console owner, but does want you to get onto gamepass if a PC user. And why not, even if only when the time comes gamepass is a damn good deal.
Xbox's Cloud Streaming stuff won't go far because it's generally a terrible idea until the worlds internet catches up and even then, what happens to the modding community? How do you preserve games? Game launches suck already, how bad could it get? I definitely won't be putting many eggs in the streaming basket.
Most gamers have decent internet. Its not about speed, its about latency. Most first world users have Cable internet or a good ADSL connection. This is more then plenty, and this is the group companies target the most. As these are the ones spending money, or have the money to spend.
Lastly, PC, which Microsoft make considerably less money from since there's no licensing fees and they sell through Steam which takes it's own cut. As I've already tried to explain with at least some stats to back it up, Microsoft would make considerably more money from releasing Elder Scrolls for PlayStation vs the PC.
MS knows the Steam is the major player in the PC world, better to work with them than work against. MS has their own store front, and their gamepass work is getting pretty popular with the PC crowd. The Gamepass Client is MS's new storefront as well, but for some reason is still tied into the MS store. MS still has some way to go on the PC side of their Xbox ecosystem.
I get it though, I have a few American friends and they swear by Microsoft and Xbox, usually can't explain why, I guess it's that natural American Patriotism. Hell if the world hadn't gone mad, I'd have probably picked up an Xbox Series X just to play Backwards Compatible TimeSplitters Future Perfect.
The 360 outsold PS3 2:1 here, and was by far even worse than that early on. PS3 picked up a lot of late life sales, and favored by people who couldn't afford online gaming services even if it did suck. While the PS4 was hands down a better console, many still kept with the XB1. First time in a long time where playstation was a better console.

PS5 is not a better console. And now more than ever is a perfect time to move away from Sony. But leaving your media collection behind is a tough sell. Not sure why the Euro Crowd is so Sony focused, when Sony itself is a horrible company to support. More so than MS.

I don't believe in brand loyalty. I love my PS4, and Plan to get a PS5 when the PS5 has games worth playing that just don't play fine on my PS4. My PC and Xbox Series X gets the most use when I do have time, but doesn't stop my Nintendo Switch from being my favorite game console. Best fun for playing with the family and friends. Mario Party is where it is at.
 
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