Police arrest suspect behind Call of Duty swatting death

[cliffordcooley]

Should this officer be investigated? Definitely. Should he lose his job?

For the record I'm not saying the officer was completely in the wrong. I'm saying protocol for an unconfirmed caller (one of which not easily traced) needs improvement. They needed better intelligence before busting in the door. In a hostage situation, you don't just barge in. And I don't understand why they did it this time. There needs to be protocol to dictate the establishment of communications before guns are ever brought to the table. Lack of protocol in an unconfirmed situation, puts everyone involved in a bad position. I still remember the term innocent until proven guilty? This guy never had a chance to prove his innocence, because law enforcement had already labeled him guilty.

 

[Evernessince]

It's not that simple.

It is just that simple. If they fire the first shot, they are the cause of the situation going south quickly. There is a reason why martial artist are considered deadly weapons and held responsible if someone gets hurt. Cops are no different, yet they get away with it simply because they wear a badge. Deadly force should only be a last resort, not a first response. People need to know the cops are there, and why they are there, before they can be expected to cooperate period. If people don't know what is going on, you never know what to expect. And pointing a gun at them until they do is playing jeopardy with their well being.

The whole notion of barge in, capture, and ask questions later is all wrong. They're not even looking for a peaceful outcome that way. They only prove just how big they're head is, behind that badge. People should be given the opportunity to come out peacefully, especially if the charges against them are based on the word of a single caller.

Completely correct. All police officers go through trigger safety. Unfortunately in this case the officer failed to adhere to them. I'm of the opinion that for situations like this we should start using robots to ascertain the situation first. If it really is dangerous the worst they can do is destroy it.

 

[Kotters]

Here's the point that I think everyone misses about "swatting": why aren't regular uniforms sent in to assess the situation first? Why do they go straight to the team with full auto weapons and a paramilitary mindset? That's the question I want answered before we even try to figure out the rest of this mess. That said, a person who is considered in their right mind and makes ANY knowingly false call to emergency services should do two years minimum.

"Hey we got a call about a gunman who killed a family member and has taken hostages. What do we do?"
"Eh, send in Jim. If we don't hear from him in ten minutes we'll send in swat I guess."

 

[MaikuTech]

I have never believed that movies and games don't lend a hand to violence and much more

Well when **** gets pretty tensed and hot in big tornaments or championships matches. like cod, csgo, paladins, dirty bomb for example.
Words will get said and depending on the issue how far will will it go before someone takes you seriously and has something done.
I've had much to say other people long distanced, but I keep a limit of what I will do or say when things get out of control.

 

[Humza]

And a tragic send off to 2017. Here's hoping 2018 brings a positive change.

 

[captaincranky]

That fact that the guy shows no remorse at all he should get the book thrown at him in court full sentence. I'm sure he will be feeling sorry when his cell mate is tapping that booty.

This is the problem with this generation no accountability for their actions.

"That fact that the guy shows no remorse at all".........., is a textbook symptom, and good portion of the definition of a, "sociopath".

 

[captaincranky]

Well when **** gets pretty tensed and hot in big tornaments or championships matches. like cod, csgo, paladins, dirty bomb for example.
Words will get said and depending on the issue how far will will it go before someone takes you seriously and has something done.
I've had much to say other people long distanced, but I keep a limit of what I will do or say when things get out of control.

You can't seem to make the distinction between a video game and reality. Maybe you should seek counseling about that.

 

[OcelotRex]

Here's the point that I think everyone misses about "swatting": why aren't regular uniforms sent in to assess the situation first? Why do they go straight to the team with full auto weapons and a paramilitary mindset? That's the question I want answered before we even try to figure out the rest of this mess. That said, a person who is considered in their right mind and makes ANY knowingly false call to emergency services should do two years minimum.

"Hey we got a call about a gunman who killed a family member and has taken hostages. What do we do?"
"Eh, send in Jim. If we don't hear from him in ten minutes we'll send in swat I guess."

"We don't like Jim much anyways..."

 

[OcelotRex]

The amount of people defending the cop is insane. Part of his job is to be able to handle himself in high pressure situations where there's little time to react. When you become a police officer you sign up for this kind of ****. Yes, the cop has a family like everyone else but that doesn't give him a pass to be a whimp and shoot a guy because of what he might do. By your logic any time there's a potentionally dangerous situation, which is almost every time, police should just shoot everyone to not risk their lives cause they have a family.

I'm fine with your comment as long as you hold yourself to that same perfect standard whilst putting yourself under the same amount of stress and risk in your own profession.

 

[Nobina]

I'm fine with your comment as long as you hold yourself to that same perfect standard whilst putting yourself under the same amount of stress and risk in your own profession.

No I don't and I don't need to. Why? Because I am not a police officer and peoples lives don't depend on me. By your logic everyone should be held at the same standard. Being a policeman isn't the same as being a gardener (not a gardener btw) and requires you to be the best version of yourself even if you might think that's unfair. That's how it is and if you don't like it, which is absolutely understandable, you don't have to be a police officer.

 

[Polycount]

This is a horrible situation, no doubt about it. I hope this man's family can get past this tragedy and move on with their lives eventually - and, of course, that the "swatter" gets caught and sentenced.

 

[EClyde]

Well when **** gets pretty tensed and hot in big tornaments or championships matches. like cod, csgo, paladins, dirty bomb for example.
Words will get said and depending on the issue how far will will it go before someone takes you seriously and has something done.
I've had much to say other people long distanced, but I keep a limit of what I will do or say when things get out of control.

What?

 

[poohbear]

Poorly trained cops, so common.

It's not that simple. When dealing with potentially life threatening situations things can go down south really fast really easily.

Hows it NOT that simple?? If cops come to the wrong address, regardless of who made the call, we should NOT have this resigned attitude that "yea someone innocent might get shot, $hit happens". The onus is on the cops to minimize this so its a 1% chance of happening. They should not go in their trigger happy to kill people on the slightest hesitation. Cop's lives are NOT more important than civilians' lives. If they feel like that they simply shouldnt be cops. What happened to "to serve and protect"? Its not "to kill to protect my life."

 

[andy06shake]

"Police arrest suspect behind Call of Duty swatting death"

Well, that would be the Bacon flavored bastard that pulled the trigger then?

Coz all the other Muppet did was waste time and resources.

Guns dont kill people, but Police sure do, and for the just about any slight, imagined or otherwise.

 

[acornco]

Who ever set up the police teams plan of action needs to be in hot water. the swatter clearly needs to undergo therapy, but the tactical plan was a nightmare that was begging for tragedy.

they "knew" it was a hostage situation. why would they put lethals at the top of their stack? what about nonlethal ballistics like beanbags and taser-packets? bullets only increase penetration, raising the risk of injuring a hostage.

and why, if your going in lethals upfront, would you make your entrance strategy... "knock on the front door"... the entire plan wreaks of incompetence. whats more, none of these "police veterans" seem to have objected to this ridiculous plan....

 

[Experimentongod]

I think first of all that the punishment for this hoax/swatting thing should be a lot harsher so these clowns think twice before pulling one off.

Also the "officer" (whatever you call it) that executed an unarmed innocent man shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun for the rest of his life.

 

[EClyde]

"Police arrest suspect behind Call of Duty swatting death"

Guns dont kill people, but Police sure do, and for the just about any slight, imagined or otherwise.

When is your black suit with the face mask due back from the cleaners...Soros wants you. Police risk their life daily..what do you do?

 

[hahahanoobs]

These cops are poorly trained - clearly.

 

[cliffordcooley]

This is not prosecution

If the courts stand behind this cops actions, that is exactly what this was. And since he was innocent and the system doesn't seem to care. I'm going to say our legal system killed this man in cold blood. And I will tell everyone, I hope I'm not the next victim of prosecution in this manner by our system .

 

[Kotters]

they "knew" it was a hostage situation. why would they put lethals at the top of their stack? what about nonlethal ballistics like beanbags and taser-packets? bullets only increase penetration, raising the risk of injuring a hostage.

Let me ask you this:

Why did the police try to resolve a hostage situation with non-lethals? They knew that the suspect was armed and deadly, and had already killed someone. This situation could have been handled cleanly and swiftly if they'd just neutralized the suspect, instead of allowing him to continue his rampage.

You're only complaining about lethals because this was a ****ed up swat call and a ******* cop had an itchy trigger finger. If it had been a real call, and they'd gone in with non-lethals like you suggest here, you'd probably be singing a different story.

Reports of lethal force are met, cautiously, with lethal force. It's up to police training to prevent wrongful deaths, not beanbags and high voltage electricity.

 

[seefizzle]

Poorly trained cops, so common.

It's not that simple. When dealing with potentially life threatening situations things can go down south really fast really easily.

Poorly trained cops, so common.

It's not that simple. When dealing with potentially life threatening situations things can go down south really fast really easily.

I think it is that simple. The amount of times swat teams have hit the wrong house, shot innocent people, and killed unnecessarily is absurdly high. Do a google search on "Cops raid wrong house", or "Swat kills innocent man", or "Officer kills unarmed man", and just start reading articles. Cops kill 3 people every day in America. We have the most brutal trigger happy scared out of their minds cops in the entire world, who lack training in de-escalation, non lethal tactics and dealing with the mentally ill. They shoot first, ask questions later, smear victims, and then clear themselves of any wrong doing.

I for one think that our society's reliance on swat teams is a huge problem. Cops make up their own rules without any input from the rest of us, they do whatever the hell they want, and they never face consequences for their actions. Swat teams should only ever be used in the most severe situations imaginable, such as hostage situations, and terrorism. Instead, cops use swat teams for BS marijuana drug raids and anything else they can think of as an excuse to put their costumes on and go kick in doors. I think that cops should err on the side of caution more often then not. In this case here, they didn't need to kick in anyone's door. They could have just waited a little bit longer, tried to make contact with the people in the house, and done literally any number of a thousand other things than what they did. They killed an innocent person. Hindsight is 20/20, but we also need to start having a real discussion about the tactics law enforcement uses on the populace. Swat teams should almost never be used.

Perhaps cops should receive waaaay more training than they do. Perhaps cops should focus waaaay more on de-escalation. Perhaps cops should shoot and kill waaaay less people in our society. Perhaps our cops shouldn't be trigger happy lunatics.

 

[andy06shake]

When is your black suit with the face mask due back from the cleaners...Soros wants you. Police risk their life daily..what do you do?

Police are public servants and bad ones at that ya muppet!

As to what I do, whys that any of your concern??? Whats your claim to fame?

Stupid Police loving dafty.

 

[Danny101]

He should be charged with murder and every errant action the officers may have committed. Blaming the police for bad reactions will not solve the problem our society has with people who are constantly initiating the responses.

 

[sac39507]

A story made up by the police to cover themselves

 

[Danny101]

Lesson here is to don't immediately answer the door. Call 911 and start a calm conversation first with a negotiater rather than directly trying to solve it with the attack dogs.