Robotaxis are quietly recording everything, and police are using the footage

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Big Brother is watching: As robotaxis struggle to break free of their isolated testing pockets, one thing is becoming clear: if you see an autonomous vehicle, it sees you too. Police departments in cities where these services operate are increasingly seizing footage from the cars when they believe it could help an investigation – but what does that mean for your privacy?

In April, the Los Angeles Police Department released video footage captured by a Waymo robotaxi as part of a hit-and-run investigation (below). The brief and grainy clip shows the moments before a speeding, human-operated vehicle struck a pedestrian. Notably, the LAPD later released the footage – labeled "Waymo Confidential Commercial Information" – to solicit tips to identify the suspect. The results of the investigation are unclear.

The incident is not the first time police have used Waymo footage in a criminal investigation. Bloomberg notes that departments in San Francisco, California, and Maricopa County, Arizona, have issued legal requests – typically warrants or subpoenas – to obtain video from the cameras of Waymo vehicles (and other autonomous fleets) as evidence since 2023. According to an ABC report from 2022, law enforcement in Arizona's East Valley, which includes cities like Mesa and Chandler, have used Waymo footage since it launched in Phoenix in 2016.

Autonomous vehicles equipped with 360-degree cameras continuously record their surroundings – effectively creating a vast, mobile surveillance network. As Bloomberg put it, these cars are "essentially surveillance cameras on wheels," raising urgent questions about the scope and oversight of this data collection.

Autonomous vehicle companies remain cautiously compliant with legal requests. A Waymo spokesperson told Gizmodo that it hands over footage only when presented with a valid warrant, subpoena, or court order – and carefully reviews each request to ensure it targets only what's necessary. However, releasing even a redacted clip highlights the fine line between corporate transparency, legal cooperation, and privacy concerns.

The rising use of autonomous vehicle footage reflects broader surveillance trends: doorbell camera-sharing networks like Ring, automated license plate readers, and citywide systems such as New York's Domain Awareness System all extend public monitoring. Privacy advocates argue these systems normalize mass observation, often without public oversight or meaningful consent.

As autonomous vehicles become common in public spaces – from Waymo's 2024 Los Angeles roll-out to upcoming robotaxi programs from Tesla and Uber – they introduce new dimensions of surveillance. Protesters in Los Angeles recently vandalized several Waymo cars, even setting some on fire. Their motive goes beyond technological backlash. It reflects deep mistrust of the emerging "police-vehicle-data pipeline," where every mile driven could become part of a criminal investigation.

These incidents spotlight an uncomfortable paradox: while autonomous vehicles can capture crucial evidence that helps solve crimes, they also extend law enforcement's reach beyond its Constitutional boundaries. Constant recording blurs the line between public safety and pervasive surveillance, raising concerns about how easily routine movements can become part of a criminal investigation.

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It should be beyond clear to everyone what a police/surveillance state this country has become.

If people don’t push back on some of the technological “breakthroughs,” a technocracy will rule over us and we won’t see it coming. Musk has been very open about this as well. What we need is for Big Brother to be destroyed.
 
If people don’t push back on some of the technological “breakthroughs,” a technocracy will rule over us and we won’t see it coming. Musk has been very open about this as well. What we need is for Big Brother to be destroyed.
Have you done anything from a standing position to support these people you believe should push back? Have you protested? Given up any comforts? Anything other than type? Curious, cuz I tried it once and you don't come off to me as the type to wash pepper spray out of your eyes with sprite.
 
I would never use one anyway.
The article is not about robo taxis surveilling you when you are riding in one.
Musk has been very open about this as well.
And yet Musk is leading the charge toward technology. IMO, its hypocritical.
How much privacy does anyone expect when walking outside in public?
You have a point, but it depends on context. If you are photographed by someone in a group of people in public (so that the photo shows the others in the group, too), the photographer can publish your picture without your permission. However, if you are photographed by the same photographer out in public, but you are alone, the photographer must get your permission to publish the photo.
 
Add to that national license plate scanner firm Flock announced it's cameras are now going full video surveillance. You know, the thing they promised they would never do when the rolled out the cameras. https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...rica-theyre-about-to-get-a-lot-more-powerful/

And even FedEx is adding it's dash camera footage to the mass surveillance system. https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...lp-cops-build-an-ai-car-surveillance-network/

And TechSpot already reported on the video cameras on every corner pilot program in New Orleans that could soon roll out nationwide.

40 years later 1984 has arrived.
 
The article is not about robo taxis surveilling you when you are riding in one.

You have a point, but it depends on context. If you are photographed by someone in a group of people in public (so that the photo shows the others in the group, too), the photographer can publish your picture without your permission. However, if you are photographed by the same photographer out in public, but you are alone, the photographer must get your permission to publish the photo.
So you are OK with constant video surveillance of your life as long as you are no inside your personal home?

Because I’m against it not only due to the privacy issues but because of the ease and likelihood that such data could be abused.
Exactly. The point is not whether there is a reasonable expectation of privacy when out in public. It's the potential for the technology to be abused. What happens when they combine 24/7 non-stop surveillance with "SOTA" AI, and the next time you accidentally miss the trash can when throwing your gum wrapper away, you arrive home to an emailed summons for littering or worse.

Sure, we're engaging in what-if-ism, but it is necessary to think critically and prepare for the what-ifs and head them off before they have a chance to take root. Questions have to be asked and limitations must be set BEFORE the worst-case scenario happens. Many people think, "Well, the government wouldn't do that. It's there to protect us." Wake up. It is already doing that, you just don't see it. And as governments linger, they have the tendency to become more powerful and more corrupt. All you have to do is read a history book to see that. The US is the longest-lasting geopolitically important constitutional republic ever founded, and it's that longevity that makes it statistically more likely to fall with each passing decade. One might argue that it is inevitable, but it's really up to the people whether they let Her fall or not, but waiting around for the you-know-what to hit the fan will not slow or stop those in power from seizing more power.
 
How much privacy rights do we want to give if a camera captures and could solve a crime/assault/murder? Should the evidence be inadmissible in court and the perpetrator be allowed to go free? This is why privacy rights are constantly eroded by technology.
 
Exactly. The point is not whether there is a reasonable expectation of privacy when out in public. It's the potential for the technology to be abused. What happens when they combine 24/7 non-stop surveillance with "SOTA" AI, and the next time you accidentally miss the trash can when throwing your gum wrapper away, you arrive home to an emailed summons for littering or worse.
In Singapore, being caught by an AI throwing away a gum wrapper would be double-trouble since littering and gum chewing are both illegal there. Anyone doing so, and getting caught by an AI, should expect a notice to show up for their public caning.

On that note, however, there seemed to be no places in Singapore that were encumbered by litter. It was a pleasure to visit.
Sure, we're engaging in what-if-ism, but it is necessary to think critically and prepare for the what-ifs and head them off before they have a chance to take root. Questions have to be asked and limitations must be set BEFORE the worst-case scenario happens. Many people think, "Well, the government wouldn't do that. It's there to protect us." Wake up. It is already doing that, you just don't see it. And as governments linger, they have the tendency to become more powerful and more corrupt. All you have to do is read a history book to see that. The US is the longest-lasting geopolitically important constitutional republic ever founded, and it's that longevity that makes it statistically more likely to fall with each passing decade. One might argue that it is inevitable, but it's really up to the people whether they let Her fall or not, but waiting around for the you-know-what to hit the fan will not slow or stop those in power from seizing more power.
The way I see it, there are a large number of people in the US that are incapable of thinking that far ahead.
 
Exactly. The point is not whether there is a reasonable expectation of privacy when out in public. It's the potential for the technology to be abused. What happens when they combine 24/7 non-stop surveillance with "SOTA" AI, and the next time you accidentally miss the trash can when throwing your gum wrapper away, you arrive home to an emailed summons for littering or worse.

Sure, we're engaging in what-if-ism, but it is necessary to think critically and prepare for the what-ifs and head them off before they have a chance to take root. Questions have to be asked and limitations must be set BEFORE the worst-case scenario happens. Many people think, "Well, the government wouldn't do that. It's there to protect us." Wake up. It is already doing that, you just don't see it. And as governments linger, they have the tendency to become more powerful and more corrupt. All you have to do is read a history book to see that. The US is the longest-lasting geopolitically important constitutional republic ever founded, and it's that longevity that makes it statistically more likely to fall with each passing decade. One might argue that it is inevitable, but it's really up to the people whether they let Her fall or not, but waiting around for the you-know-what to hit the fan will not slow or stop those in power from seizing more power.
Yes, I'm always amazed that people believe the fairytale that people in the government are automatically good and noble people.

No. At best, they just people with some good and some bad.

However, the incentives of government are different.
1) Instead of creating a new efficiency or new product or somehow making more customers happy to get ahead, budgets are increased by spending all the money and asking for more (by force of prison on their "customers")
2) Think business politics are bad? Government jobs are literal politics.
3) Government jobs are hard to be fired from attracting those that want to do little without fear of losing their jobs.

Worst of all, power attracts the worst kinds of people, making the default politician and higher level bureaucrat power-hungry narcissists. So, no, "public servant" marketing BS aside, one can safely assume that on average a government person is worse than a nongovernment person.
 
In Singapore, being caught by an AI throwing away a gum wrapper would be double-trouble since littering and gum chewing are both illegal there. Anyone doing so, and getting caught by an AI, should expect a notice to show up for their public caning.
Wow! For real?
 
So you are OK with constant video surveillance of your life as long as you are no inside your personal home?

Because I’m against it not only due to the privacy issues but because of the ease and likelihood that such data could be abused.
Being captured on camera and being surveilled are not the same thing. Surveillance involves willful observation. Simply "being on camera" does not.

Unless you live in North Korea or certain areas of China, the public footage of you is likely overwritten regularly without anyone or "thing" ever seeing it, unless you're being a bad citizen. ;)
 
This oh-so-innocent remark is kind of tongue in the cheek while also downright gaslighting. Who are you working for dude, which agency? Be honest!
Show me any of the work you've done to fight the invasion of privacy over the years.
 
Wow! For real?
Well, the AI part is speculative as was yours, however, there is a law against chewing gum that is punishable by fines and or imprisonment - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum_sales_ban_in_Singapore
As for littering and other offenses in Singapore, here's a better read - https://www.goabroad.com/articles/study-abroad/singapore-laws-to-know-before-you-go
If you do go, make sure you flush the public toilets you use! :D

Most of their laws are common sense, but some of the things that are outright banned are things that US citizens do every day without thinking about it.
 
This oh-so-innocent remark is kind of tongue in the cheek while also downright gaslighting. Who are you working for dude, which agency? Be honest!

but he's correct you have zero expectation of privacy out in public, I as a private citizen can legally follow you around with a camera and film anything and everything you do in public, its 100% legal and your consent is not required for any reason. As for Camera's, I see no issue with these camera's, it still requires a Warrant which means probable cause must be provided, it's no different than getting a company's security camera footage, now as far as a city mounting camera's themselves to record everything that's a little more uncomfortable and should still require a warrant to use, but that would require a court case on it.
 
but he's correct you have zero expectation of privacy out in public, I as a private citizen can legally follow you around with a camera and film anything and everything you do in public, its 100% legal and your consent is not required for any reason. As for Camera's, I see no issue with these camera's, it still requires a Warrant which means probable cause must be provided, it's no different than getting a company's security camera footage, now as far as a city mounting camera's themselves to record everything that's a little more uncomfortable and should still require a warrant to use, but that would require a court case on it.
That is patently untrue in some US states, California is one.
 
That is patently untrue in some US states, California is one.
The first amendment of the United States gives me permission to film you in public no matter what. You have zero expectation privacy and I do not need you permission to use anything I film. The state can pass any law they want but it cannot restrict constitutional rights.
 
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There are zillions of things quietly recording everything - doorbells, security cameras, ... the number of cameras in private cars exceeds the number of cameras in robotaxis by orders of magnitude.

I'm not trying to underrate the problem in any way, it obviously exist and will grow bigger. My point is, the information is already available - the robotaxis footage is just a minor new facet. Collecting and analyzing this footage is crucial for improving self-driving tech, hence it's crucial for public safety. What's important is what rules we will establish for accessing and using this information for other purposes.
 
Didnt drones already
but he's correct you have zero expectation of privacy out in public, I as a private citizen can legally follow you around with a camera and film anything and everything you do in public, its 100% legal and your consent is not required for any reason. As for Camera's, I see no issue with these camera's, it still requires a Warrant which means probable cause must be provided, it's no different than getting a company's security camera footage, now as far as a city mounting camera's themselves to record everything that's a little more uncomfortable and should still require a warrant to use, but that would require a court case on it.
kinda feel like drones already encroached on privacy a decade ago so this doesn't really hit the same
 
Didnt drones already
kinda feel like drones already encroached on privacy a decade ago so this doesn't really hit the same
It may not but it's just with the law says I don't know why people think that they're entitled to any amount of privacy in public. If it can be seen or recorded or heard without the aid of magnification or sound amplification it is not considered private. That's just the law. Truthfully you could be yelling inside your house really really loud and I could stand out on the street record it because you're being sold out I can hear from the street without the aid of sound amplification legally I can post it up to YouTube if I wanted.
 
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