Police arrest suspect behind Call of Duty swatting death

[captaincranky]

A story made up by the police to cover themselves

Oh goody,. A diaper soiling conspiracy theorist joins the fray.

 

[Lionvibez]

How to spot a noguns:

Yes I live in Canada and very happy for it.

Not a gun happy country as my neighbor to the south.

 

[Kotters]

A story made up by the police to cover themselves

The hottest take

Yes I live in Canada and very happy for it.

Not a gun happy country as my neighbor to the south.

Like I said, a noguns. They always have this asinine idea that people should take more "wounding shots," despite that being nearly as lethal and far more likely to injure bystanders. There are plenty of canadians who enjoy firearm ownership, and more still that at least understand the thing they try to lecture on.

You are not one.

 

[cuerdc]

Wasting police time 1st offence and all subsequent outcomes from intelligence given should also be added as well as cost of whole ordeal plus compensation for those affected could even add charge for another crime which was missed due to resources being wasted. *****iotic...
Police also at fault here could of been handled better but whole outcome of this falls on the swatter.

 

[wiyosaya]

Here's the point that I think everyone misses about "swatting": why aren't regular uniforms sent in to assess the situation first? Why do they go straight to the team with full auto weapons and a paramilitary mindset? That's the question I want answered before we even try to figure out the rest of this mess. That said, a person who is considered in their right mind and makes ANY knowingly false call to emergency services should do two years minimum.

And there's another thing, too, that could help in this kind of situation. After all, SWAT has all this heavy artillery available to them, why do they not all have FLIR??? FLIR in many cases, perhaps even this one, could allow them to assess the situation without going to the door and scaring the sh!t out of someone who has no clue that someone else is pranking them.

Not to mention that this kind of thing has happened because SWAT bullies made a mistake and got the wrong address.

That said, the person who pranked this should get life without parole, IMO!

 

[OcelotRex]

No I don't and I don't need to. Why? Because I am not a police officer and peoples lives don't depend on me. By your logic everyone should be held at the same standard. Being a policeman isn't the same as being a gardener (not a gardener btw) and requires you to be the best version of yourself even if you might think that's unfair. That's how it is and if you don't like it, which is absolutely understandable, you don't have to be a police officer.

Police officers, Doctors, Firemen, Paramedics, Nurses, etc. all are humans and humans make mistakes under great amounts of stress. Combine that with every situation differing and the numbers of outcomes increase exponentially leaving ample room for human mistakes. I spent 30 years around policemen, firemen, and medics so believe me when I tell you they're very human and not superheros.

I'd suggest some self-reflection since you place greater scrutiny and zero empathy on people without acknowledging the reality of the human condition. Perhaps when you're perfect you can demand perfection of others.

 

[wiyosaya]

I think it is that simple. The amount of times swat teams have hit the wrong house, shot innocent people, and killed unnecessarily is absurdly high. Do a google search on "Cops raid wrong house", or "Swat kills innocent man", or "Officer kills unarmed man", and just start reading articles. Cops kill 3 people every day in America. We have the most brutal trigger happy scared out of their minds cops in the entire world, who lack training in de-escalation, non lethal tactics and dealing with the mentally ill. They shoot first, ask questions later, smear victims, and then clear themselves of any wrong doing.

I for one think that our society's reliance on swat teams is a huge problem. Cops make up their own rules without any input from the rest of us, they do whatever the hell they want, and they never face consequences for their actions. Swat teams should only ever be used in the most severe situations imaginable, such as hostage situations, and terrorism. Instead, cops use swat teams for BS marijuana drug raids and anything else they can think of as an excuse to put their costumes on and go kick in doors. I think that cops should err on the side of caution more often then not. In this case here, they didn't need to kick in anyone's door. They could have just waited a little bit longer, tried to make contact with the people in the house, and done literally any number of a thousand other things than what they did. They killed an innocent person. Hindsight is 20/20, but we also need to start having a real discussion about the tactics law enforcement uses on the populace. Swat teams should almost never be used.

Perhaps cops should receive waaaay more training than they do. Perhaps cops should focus waaaay more on de-escalation. Perhaps cops should shoot and kill waaaay less people in our society. Perhaps our cops shouldn't be trigger happy lunatics.

There are a lot of experts that think this way, too! A SWAT team was even called on Buddhist monks who accidentally overstayed their visa.

 

[MaikuTech]

You can't seem to make the distinction between a video game and reality. Maybe you should seek counseling about that.

Maybe I could report you to the moderators and get you out of here.

 

[Nobina]

Police officers, Doctors, Firemen, Paramedics, Nurses, etc. all are humans and humans make mistakes under great amounts of stress. Combine that with every situation differing and the numbers of outcomes increase exponentially leaving ample room for human mistakes. I spent 30 years around policemen, firemen, and medics so believe me when I tell you they're very human and not superheros.

I'd suggest some self-reflection since you place greater scrutiny and zero empathy on people without acknowledging the reality of the human condition. Perhaps when you're perfect you can demand perfection of others.

I'm not trying to deny the difficulty of their job, I know people tend to make mistakes cause they are just people, it goes without saying, but they have to be held to a higher standard cause if not innocent people get killed.

 

[wiyosaya]

I'm not trying to deny the difficulty of their job, I know people tend to make mistakes cause they are just people, it goes without saying, but they have to be held to a higher standard cause if not innocent people get killed.

I agree! If first-responders cannot be held to a higher standard, then all ordinary people completely qualify for duty as a first-responder. In other words, vigilantism!

In this high-tech time, it seems that if you are a police officer and you are afraid for your life no matter the reality of the situation, using the low-tech gun is completely acceptable. As I see it, using the gun should be a last resort action, and I get survival instinct and survivor's guilt.

To be completely honest with you, I would be afraid to be stopped for a traffic violation. In fact, I once was, and the police officer had his hand on his gun ready to draw. That, like this, could have easily gone wrong if I had panicked for some reason even though I was unarmed - and this was some 25 or so years ago - long before the age of SWAT teams everywhere.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I once was, and the police officer had his hand on his gun ready to draw.

I did have a gun drawn on me before. If I had a gun on me, I would have considered that an act of aggression and drawn my gun. A cop pulling their gun first is the same thing as a country lowering Def-con level first. It only agitates the other side to do the same. I don't care if they are law officers, they are not peace keepers when they do this.

 

[Lionvibez]

The hottest take



Like I said, a noguns. They always have this asinine idea that people should take more "wounding shots," despite that being nearly as lethal and far more likely to injure bystanders. There are plenty of canadians who enjoy firearm ownership, and more still that at least understand the thing they try to lecture on.

You are not one.

The amount of canadians that own firearms is peanuts compared to the US same with gun violence. When was the last time you heard of a story like this in Canada???? you don't....

My understand of the situation seems fine considering there are many Americans that share my opinion. Just because you likes guns doesn't change anything.

How to spot a pro-guns see I can do that too.

 

[captaincranky]

Maybe I could report you to the moderators and get you out of here.

Sensitive and babbling, are we? Welcome to Techspot.

You know, I've been in this game for 10 years, and I have yet to stumble on a cache of weapons or a power ring, or anything of the sort. Perhaps you've had better luck?

Well when **** gets pretty tensed and hot in big tornaments or championships matches. like cod, csgo, paladins, dirty bomb for example.
Words will get said and depending on the issue how far will will it go before someone takes you seriously and has something done.
I've had much to say other people long distanced, but I keep a limit of what I will do or say when things get out of control. (*)

This is barely on topic It's sort of like "worthless excepts from a stream of consciousness delusion of grandeur".

I'm fairly sure I could care less how hopped you you get when gaming.

(*) Of course, one could always inquire if this is due to your general good nature, perhaps acquired politesse, or plain old fear. .

Now run along and do you thing,>>> "I'm telling"!

 

[captaincranky]

Maybe I could report you to the moderators and get you out of here.

Oh please don't report me. Techspot is my life.

Did that make ya feel more important?

 

[Kotters]

The amount of canadians that own firearms is peanuts compared to the US same with gun violence. When was the last time you heard of a story like this in Canada???? you don't....

My understand of the situation seems fine considering there are many Americans that share my opinion. Just because you likes guns doesn't change anything.

How to spot a pro-guns see I can do that too.

Show me an informed American who believes trickshooting limbs and extremities is a logical course of action.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Show me an informed American who believes trickshooting limbs and extremities is a logical course of action.

Shooting them in the head or chest is certainly logical, they may actually live though it.

 

[MannerMauler]

I agree! If first-responders cannot be held to a higher standard, then all ordinary people completely qualify for duty as a first-responder. In other words, vigilantism!

In this high-tech time, it seems that if you are a police officer and you are afraid for your life no matter the reality of the situation, using the low-tech gun is completely acceptable. As I see it, using the gun should be a last resort action, and I get survival instinct and survivor's guilt.

To be completely honest with you, I would be afraid to be stopped for a traffic violation. In fact, I once was, and the police officer had his hand on his gun ready to draw. That, like this, could have easily gone wrong if I had panicked for some reason even though I was unarmed - and this was some 25 or so years ago - long before the age of SWAT teams everywhere.

I understand your worries, but you never know who you're stopping. For all he knew, you could've been a kidnapper, a drug dealer, or even a murderer who violated his parole and doesn't want to go back to jail. Sixty-two officers died between 2003 and 2012 on "routine" traffic stops. You never know who you're walking up to on a traffic stop. Traffic stops and domestic disputes are two of the most dangerous things a cop can get involved in on a day to day basis.

http://www.forcescience.org/nosuchthing.html
http://www.nleomf.org/assets/pdfs/r...-Mid-Year-Officer-Fatalities-Report-FINAL.pdf

 

[MannerMauler]

Oh please don't report me. Techspot is my life.

Did that make ya feel more important?

Haha, when I saw he was quoting you, I was waiting for a response like this. I think you're the most reliable, unchanging thing about Techspot.

 

[Lionvibez]

Haha, when I saw he was quoting you, I was waiting for a response like this. I think you're the most reliable, unchanging thing about Techspot.

That's why we love cliff.

He is opinionated, doesn't back down. Also doesn't seem the type to be switching view points to win an argument he sticks to his guns like a real man

 

[cliffordcooley]

That's why we love cliff.

Ohh my, I feel my head swelling. I'll get over it quickly enough. Someone here will kick me off my high pedestal.

 

[taraconnor777]

I agree with Clifford and Psycros, you have a right to feel safe in your home without armed cops busting in;this is not a known crack house,there's NO EVIDENCE IN REALITY that the guy in the house is dangerous!!!--just the damn phone call.There is no way even a police dept, wants a nervous "shoot-first" cop in their bunch.I wouldn't if I were a cop.They make police work dangerous, and cause deaths when they over-react,and clobber a civilian.I don't care if they're understaffed; how are you gonna keep that cop,back in service,from thinking he was ok to over react,and its ok to do it again?--You just make the police look horribely bad to everyone!!--and you kill someone when the point was to SAVE LIVES.NO,I would not want the cop back!!!Clifford is right, and Pen919. let the family sue the police dept.

 

[Charles Olson]

Here's the point that I think everyone misses about "swatting": why aren't regular uniforms sent in to assess the situation first? Why do they go straight to the team with full auto weapons and a paramilitary mindset? That's the question I want answered before we even try to figure out the rest of this mess. That said, a person who is considered in their right mind and makes ANY knowingly false call to emergency services should do two years minimum.

Yeah, that sounds like a WONDERFUL idea.

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/2-Santa-Cruz-officers-shot-to-death-4311095.php

Both of those officers we're co-workers, one a friend, of my parents. It's easy to throw out suggestions when you don't have any past or current experience in a matter like this. And I am asking you, stop. You're only throwing fuel on the wrong fire.

Everyone who mentions over/under training, poor training, militarization of LEO, etc.... Do you guys know what you're talking about or do you parrot everything you are fed from you're favorite flavor of media?

Do you people actually realize how much training these officers go through? Do you understand how understaffed many agencies are across the country? Do you understand how restricted things have become on each one of them because of incidents like these arise because of un-trained or un-experienced people yelling their non-professional opinion on a topic like this so the agency knee jerk reaction to appeal to the public? (AKA: Keyboard warriors) These things are not as black and white as you are all making it out to sound.

Should this officer be investigated? Definitely. Should he lose his job? No but let's allow the investigation determine otherwise. I am not saying to hold your skepticism back but if you aren't a military vet or an active, or retired, LEO, you have no place to speak of what they SHOULD DO in these situations, you're only furthering the stupidity of "Send in plain clothes cops to assess a situation before sending SWAT." resulting in the linked article or "Why didn't they send enough force to stop this before guy X took Y many more lives!? They didn't respond fast enough!"

And before someone says I am a "bootlicker" or something similar, my family thinks I am a Kapernick loving "cop hater", so don't think I am not trying to look at this objectively.

" Do you people actually realize how much training these officers go through? " Obviously not enough if they are shooting innocent people for answering the door !

 

[captaincranky]

That's why we love cliff.

He is opinionated, doesn't back down. Also doesn't seem the type to be switching view points to win an argument he sticks to his guns like a real man

Actually Mr. Vibez, Mr. Mauler was quoting me.

I'd like to believe I possess all those stalwart qualities, plus a good old fashioned antisocial personality disorder, which binds them into a cohesive, tactical, whole! (y)