Publishers' lawsuit leads to removal of 500,000 books from Internet Archive

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What just happened? The Internet Archive, a non-profit organization dedicated to providing free online access to books, is dealing with a difficult situation right now. Following a legal battle with book publishers last year, the online library was forced to remove approximately 500,000 titles from its collection, a move that IA describes as a "devastating loss" for readers who rely on the platform to access otherwise hard-to-find books.

Chris Freeland, IA's director of library services, talked about the organization's determination to restore access to these books by appealing the court's decision: the case is currently pending in the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. It aims to convince the court that IA's controlled digital lending of its physical books should be considered fair use under copyright law.

"We purchase and acquire books – yes, physical, paper books – and make them available for one person at a time to check out and read online. This work is important for readers and authors alike, as many younger and low-income readers can only read if books are free to borrow, and many authors' books will only be discovered or preserved through the work of librarians," Freeland wrote.

IA's legal team plans to argue that publishers have not provided evidence of harm to the e-book market caused by the open library's lending practices. They believe that copyright law would be better served by allowing IA's lending rather than preventing it. Freeland also pointed out that IA uses industry-standard technology to prevent people from illegally downloading and sharing books, just like the big corporate publishers do.

Meanwhile, the Association of American Publishers (AAP), the trade organization behind the lawsuit, said in a statement to Ars Technica that IA transmitted literary works worldwide while refusing to license the necessary rights from authors and publishers. It maintains that the removal of literary works from IA's platform was ordered by a federal court with the mutual agreement of IA, following the court's finding of copyright infringement.

The appeal is set to begin with oral arguments on June 28, and IA is prepared to defend its practices. Freeland stated, "Our position is straightforward; we just want to let our library patrons borrow and read the books we own, like any other library." He also highlighted the potential far-reaching consequences of the lawsuit, extending beyond the Internet Archive itself, and called on publishers to "let readers read."

The removal of all those books has left a mark on IA's users. Many titles now say "Borrow Unavailable," though patrons with print disabilities can still access them. Since the removal, IA says they've been bombarded with messages from readers all over the world looking for the missing titles.

Nearly 20,000 supporters have also signed an open letter dated June 14 to publishers, asking them to rethink the takedowns and bring back the lost books. The letter highlights how this is hurting academics, students, and educators, especially in communities that don't have a lot of resources. It also points out that low-income families, people with disabilities, rural communities, and LGBTQ+ individuals who might not have a local library or feel comfortable accessing the info they need in public are being hit the hardest.

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Oh there are sooooo many poor and unfortunate people. How can humanity stand it? I deserve my FREE
 
There is never a good reason to remove books. The only exception would be copyright violations and even then there are other options that could be put into play. The whole idea of banning books it a violation of every individuals rights to access and become educated on any subject they desire.
 
There is never a good reason to remove books. The only exception would be copyright violations and even then there are other options that could be put into play. The whole idea of banning books it a violation of every individuals rights to access and become educated on any subject they desire.
They’re not being banned… they are simply saying that people have to PAY for them… you can’t just go giving stuff away that people rely on for their livelihoods.

Authors generally make very little money - to give their books away for free is basically theft.
 
They’re not being banned… they are simply saying that people have to PAY for them… you can’t just go giving stuff away that people rely on for their livelihoods.

Authors generally make very little money - to give their books away for free is basically theft.
Most of the books that most people and I want to read are very old books that are no longer in print and are next to impossible to come by. Archiving them is a good source of information distribution. And most books are only borrowable from Archive.org. It's almost like reading a bulletin board since you don't own the books and can't own them anyway. I enjoy reading the classic MS-DOS memory management or PC-Tools books, for example.
 
Most of the books that most people and I want to read are very old books that are no longer in print and are next to impossible to come by. Archiving them is a good source of information distribution. And most books are only borrowable from Archive.org. It's almost like reading a bulletin board since you don't own the books and can't own them anyway. I enjoy reading the classic MS-DOS memory management or PC-Tools books, for example.
Most… but not all… and the claims that they use the leading copy protection is a joke… there is ZERO copy protection that can protect an ebook from piracy.

Change copyright law if you want stuff for free - otherwise, PAY!
 
I’ll cop to using IA to read books I had lost access to in one way or another. Once was to get a copy of my textbook that the online license I got from my school expired on and I needed to finish my final. Was this technically piracy? Yeah probably but I paid once and I wasn’t going to pay twice for a single use of the textbook to finish the class and have the textbook to cite for final.

Also used IA to find copies of novels that weren’t available at my local library. I have zero guilt about any of my behavior. I have purchased some novels from these offers, either retail or second hand. I support these authors and I won’t feel guilty for what I’ve done. I expect many who use IA are similar to me.

 
Oh there are sooooo many poor and unfortunate people. How can humanity stand it? I deserve my FREE
Depends on the books. If their authors are alive, the yes.

Whenever I tried to get a book from one of these free places, the only time when what I looked for was available was when someone else was borrowing it.
I think that we as a nation have to support readers interest, including the readers who cannot afford to buy new books every month.
But from my experience, these archives and public libraries are near worthless.
 
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Oh there are sooooo many poor and unfortunate people. How can humanity stand it? I deserve my FREE
One of the great things about reading books is that it educates people to different points of view, different ways of life, different times and different places. One of the issues of not reading and not travelling is that it colours what people think and write. YMMV.
 
One of the great things about reading books is that it educates people to different points of view, different ways of life, different times and different places. One of the issues of not reading and not travelling is that it colours what people think and write. YMMV.
No one’s arguing that reading is bad… what’s bad is stealing…
There are plenty of public libraries available if you want free books - or you can pay for them…
Complaining because the book you want to read isn’t free is the point here…
 
No one’s arguing that reading is bad… what’s bad is stealing…
There are plenty of public libraries available if you want free books - or you can pay for them…
Complaining because the book you want to read isn’t free is the point here…
There are lots of torrent sites out there where books are available completely free so it seems odd to pick on a digital library, especially when so many real libraries are being closed down. I don't think having free books out there harms the authors though, as the percentage of people that get free digital copies is fairly small and it generally adds to their exposure.

Books are fairly expensive these days and I wouldn't feel comfortable spending $10 on a book from an author I've never hear of. If I've read a digital copy of one of their books then I'm far more likely to purchase. My current approach is to get hard copies of the (free) digital books I've enjoyed over the year. I probably have about 2000 (real) books in my home so I feel I'm doing my bit to keep authors afloat. I also have 1000's of (free) digital books waiting to be read even though I know I'll probably never get round to reading them all. Those books that turn out to be overhyped drivel just get deleted immediately.

I guess every author wants to blame something for them not selling millions. It might be a bad agent, an unfair review or free copies being available on the internet. My guess would be that good books sell well and the bad ones just don't. The nice thing about digital copies is at least they don't have to pulp trees to produce the drivel.
 
There are lots of torrent sites out there where books are available completely free so it seems odd to pick on a digital library, especially when so many real libraries are being closed down. I don't think having free books out there harms the authors though, as the percentage of people that get free digital copies is fairly small and it generally adds to their exposure.
Torrent sites are hard to “pick on” as they tend to be hidden behind multiple owners, and claim that since they don’t host anything (peer 2 peer), they can’t be prosecuted… it’s much easier to simply demand a non-profit to take down illegal materials.
Books are fairly expensive these days and I wouldn't feel comfortable spending $10 on a book from an author I've never hear of. If I've read a digital copy of one of their books then I'm far more likely to purchase. My current approach is to get hard copies of the (free) digital books I've enjoyed over the year. I probably have about 2000 (real) books in my home so I feel I'm doing my bit to keep authors afloat. I also have 1000's of (free) digital books waiting to be read even though I know I'll probably never get round to reading them all. Those books that turn out to be overhyped drivel just get deleted immediately.

I guess every author wants to blame something for them not selling millions. It might be a bad agent, an unfair review or free copies being available on the internet. My guess would be that good books sell well and the bad ones just don't. The nice thing about digital copies is at least they don't have to pulp trees to produce the drivel.
I’m not arguing whether piracy costs profits - I’ve actually argued in many threads on this site that there is ZERO evidence that piracy costs publishers anything.

But there isn’t a grey area when it comes to legality - harmful or not , piracy IS illegal.
 
Most of the books that most people and I want to read are very old books that are no longer in print and are next to impossible to come by.
Oops! Books that are "very old" have expired copyrights, and are not part of this action. The books in question are all copywritten, and nearly all are still in print. And you forget that books that are out of print today can easily be back in print tomorrow. Not that this really matters. If you created the book, you own it -- and the entire concept of ownership is predicated upon the owner having control over the property in question.
 
But there isn’t a grey area when it comes to legality - harmful or not , piracy IS illegal.
Driving 1mph above the speed limit is illegal. Jaywalking is also illegal. Even wearing a false moustache in church in some parts of the US is illegal. Does that mean we should be outraged? I can understand your view point if it's your books being lent but, if it 's already proven that having free copies doesn't affect overall sales, does it really matter even then?

I don't mind paying up to $4 for ebooks but I won't pay more. Unfortunately most modern ebooks cost $10+. I'm fairly well off compared to most but, if I was a student, buying ebooks would be beyond me.

Interestingly, the least memory you can get on a Kindle is 8GB. An average book takes up 250K. That means the smallest Kindle can hold 32,000 ebooks. Lets just halve that and pretend we only spend $4 (a very low price) on each ebook. That would mean even the smallest Kindle can hold $64,000 worth of ebooks! Do you think Amazon expects their users to spend that amount of money on ebooks?
 
Driving 1mph above the speed limit is illegal. Jaywalking is also illegal. Even wearing a false moustache in church in some parts of the US is illegal. Does that mean we should be outraged? I can understand your view point if it's your books being lent but, if it 's already proven that having free copies doesn't affect overall sales, does it really matter even then?

I don't mind paying up to $4 for ebooks but I won't pay more. Unfortunately most modern ebooks cost $10+. I'm fairly well off compared to most but, if I was a student, buying ebooks would be beyond me.

Interestingly, the least memory you can get on a Kindle is 8GB. An average book takes up 250K. That means the smallest Kindle can hold 32,000 ebooks. Lets just halve that and pretend we only spend $4 (a very low price) on each ebook. That would mean even the smallest Kindle can hold $64,000 worth of ebooks! Do you think Amazon expects their users to spend that amount of money on ebooks?
The average ebook size is closer to 2.5mb… so your math is off by a factor of 10…

And piracy is theft - we can’t compare it to driving 1mph above the limit. You can equate it to Robin Hood stealing from the rich to give to the poor maybe - but you’re not giving to the poor, you’re giving to yourself!
 
The average ebook size is closer to 2.5mb… so your math is off by a factor of 10…
Books containing lots of pictures require a lot of storage but most books are just text and come to less than 250K. Even the collected works of Shakespeare (an extremely large book) only comes to 5MB. PDF's are a different case as each page in the book is stored as an image so require more space. I did a quick check on a large store of ebooks and 75% were well under 300K.

And piracy is theft - we can’t compare it to driving 1mph above the limit. You can equate it to Robin Hood stealing from the rich to give to the poor maybe - but you’re not giving to the poor, you’re giving to yourself!
I'm honestly curious why your views are so polarised on this subject? Is it because you feel authors/agents/publishers are missing payments? Originally you stated that it was because the activity was deemed illegal but you don't seem bothered by the other "illegal" activities just mentioned.
 
I'm honestly curious why your views are so polarised on this subject?
I'm curious why you believe you have a god-given right to steal from every author and composer on the planet without repercussions?

Originally you stated that it was because the activity was deemed illegal but you don't seem bothered by the other "illegal" activities just mentioned.
Your cherry-picked list of illegal activities wasn't rather representative. Let's try a different list:

Murder
Kidnapping
Rape
Terroristic Threats
Home Invasion
Grand Larceny

Any of those crimes outrage you?
 
I'm curious why you believe you have a god-given right to steal from every author and composer on the planet without repercussions?
Because I don’t think of it as theft. Is it theft if a friend receives a legitimate second hand copy and then lends it to me? IA gets legit copies donated and then lends them out after scanning the pages. One copy = one user. The fact that it is distributed over the internet rather than physically lent should be immaterial.

Also, some of the books I’ve read I purchased retail but then the books were lost or destroyed. I contribute to authors livelihoods plenty.
 
Because I don’t think of it as theft.
The federal legal code disagrees with you. You sound like one of those "sovereign citizen" zealots who believe the government has no jurisdiction over you.

Is it theft if a friend receives a legitimate second hand copy and then lends it to me?
No, because the sales contract on that "legitimate" copy allows you to lend it to others.

IA gets legit copies donated and then lends them out after scanning the pages. One copy = one user.
Why do people not think before they post? Firstly, your entire premise is false. The Internet Archives "controlled digital lending" is easy to circumvent, and allows thousands of people to simultaneously access the same copy.

More important is that digitizing the book violates the sales contract with the publisher. For good reason. Publishers generally print two variants of a book: a cheap paperback copy: good for perhaps 10-15 average readings before it falls apart, and a more expensive hardback, good for a few hundred readings. But a digitized copy lasts forever. (That is, in fact, the stated goal of the Internet Archives, to preserve a scanned copy for all time.) So - even if CDL worked -- a single digital copy can be lent all around the world and read by hundreds of thousands of people. It takes only about a 75 IQ to see that changes utterly the economics of book publishing.

The publishers offered the Internet Archives a workable model: they could buy a more expensive digital copy, one that COULD be lent out. The Internet Archives refused, believing they could circumvent copyright law and make a single cheap paperback copy available to hundreds of thousands of people forever.
 
The federal legal code disagrees with you. You sound like one of those "sovereign citizen" zealots who believe the government has no jurisdiction over you
Spoken like someone who knows nothing of my politics lmao.
Why do people not think before they post? Firstly, your entire premise is false. The Internet Archives "controlled digital lending" is easy to circumvent, and allows thousands of people to simultaneously access the same copy
Never tried so I wouldn’t know how easy or difficult it is to circumvent

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don’t often use IA but I won’t feel bad for doing so.
 
I'm curious why you believe you have a god-given right to steal from every author and composer on the planet without repercussions?
Stealing from authors? I'm honest enough to admit I read (free) ebooks but I do get the real books if I've enjoyed them. I actually have a house full of books. My approach means I don't have books that were raved about in some review and that ultimately turned out to be as dull as dishwater and end up laying around unread until they're finally given to a charity shop.

My approach also allows me to try books on subjects I wouldn't normally read. A few books from this year have been "The Box" by Levinson about container shipping, "Unnatural Causes" by Shepard about forensic pathology and "A History of Bombing" by Lindqvist. I don't think I'd of bought any of these books if I had to pay upfront but they turned out to be fascinating.

I suspect I buy a lot more books than most people so I don't feel guilty at all. At the end of the day, if you're an author, composer or even games writer and your product isn't selling well then the fault probably isn't in your stars. Maybe it just wasn't marketed correctly, maybe it's just not what people want, maybe it's not as good as you think it is.
 
Any of those crimes outrage you?
I was simply responding to the person that said reading (free) ebooks was bad because it's illegal. Different crimes outrage different societies. Terrorism outrages the US because it has a huge standing army yet is vulnerable to terrorism. Countries like Iraq probably feel outraged by US gunships mowing down their civilians. Countries like the UK are moderately outraged by the US extraditing Assange for releasing the video that showed the soldiers gunning down the civilians and laughing.
 
Stealing from authors? I'm honest enough to admit I read (free) ebooks but I do get the real books if I've enjoyed them.
So you only steal from authors you dislike?

My approach means I don't have books that were raved about in some review and that ultimately turned out to be as dull as dishwater
It's still theft. Your absurd anti-logic is like claiming you can live in a home for a few weeks, or steal and drive a vehicle for the same period of time, then choose to pay "if you liked them".

My approach also allows me to try books on subjects I wouldn't normally read.
Those who steal cars also find that approach allows them to drive a much larger variety of vehicles. Stop rationalizing your lack of ethics.
 
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