cliffordcooley
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I honestly don't think covid 19 will kill anyone without a previous unhealthy and/or life-threatened condition. To simply document all these cases as strictly covid 19 is disrespectful to everyone.
I don't know. It's like saying, yeah, the engine did blow up but to be fair, you already had a cracked windshield.I honestly don't think covid 19 will kill anyone without a previous unhealthy and/or life-threatened condition. To simply document all these cases as strictly covid 19 is disrespectful to everyone.
False advertising comes to mind. And that strengthens my case. You can't lie on the condition of a vehicle or any other goods to be bartered.I don't know. It's like saying, yeah, the engine did blow up but to be fair, you already had a cracked windshield.
Actually a breach of contract could apply.False advertising comes to mind. And that strengthens my case. You can't lie on the condition of a vehicle or any other goods to be bartered.
First of all, that is categorically untrue. Unlike Covid today, in years past presumptive flu deaths were rarely tested for on a post-mortem basis. Secondly, even if true, the issue is irrelevant, because that absurd chart you posted compared confirmed flu deaths to confirmed and presumptive Covid deaths. Apples to oranges. Thirdly, the chart leaves off the bumper year of the H1N1 epidemic, where total flu deaths topped 70,000. And fourthly and most telling of all, Covid deaths are high this year because Covid is novel. Over the next 5-10 years, the flu will kill more people than Covid. And even this year, the flu is killing more children than Covid is.Confirmed and unconfirmed are nearly equally divided between flu and covid 19.
The flu vaccine generally is only about 40-50% effective. A coronavirus vaccine will likely be on the same order.70-80% of people who died of flu were unvaccinated. There is no vaccination for covid 19 yet.
Amused or not, it is simple truth. This is as true as it always is ... when a person -- especially an elderly person -- dies, determining an exact cause of death is often more art than science. If someone has a bullet hole in the skull or an exploded aorta, the cause is rather easy to determine, but an octogenarian is found dead in their bedroom, the exact cause of death is often little more than a guess.health care workers...are really not amused at the suggestion that they are not doing their jobs correctly or are taking shortcuts.
Yes, they settled on a remote island a thousand miles from anywhere else. There are plenty of isolated islands who have seen no cases.New Zealand today reached 100 days without a new COVID-19 case. Anyone care to guess what they did?
Take it up with the CDC.First of all, that is categorically untrue
Only if we continue to fear the Aliens responsible for vaccines.Over the next 5-10 years, the flu will kill more people than Covid
Take it up with the CDC.The flu vaccine generally is only about 40-50% effective
Says who, you? That is a horrible point of reference. In that paragraph you said nothing true.Amused or not, it is simple truth
Complete bullshit. Literally no state does that and that is simply a lie.Today, in the US at least, if that person tests post-mortem for Covid, no matter how low their viral load is and even if they lack all Covid sequela, the state will count them as a Covid death.
Even if that held one drop of water, they had cases, but instead of spreading, they headed it off. Everything they did could easily be replicated.Yes, they settled on a remote island a thousand miles from anywhere else. There are plenty of isolated islands who have seen no cases
1. The WHO never said it didn't spread person to person. They said there was no evidence yet that it didn't.China and the World Health Organization stopped lying to the world that Covid didn't spread human-to-human
Semantic drivel. Since a negative cannot be disproven, when a scientific body says there is "no evidence" for a premise, they are saying you should not believe that premise. Further, the WHO did more than say there is no evidence for human-to-human transmission, they also said that other nations should not restrict travel to and from China, because China had managed to contain the epidemic. Also false. Still further, when the WHO sent that Tweet, Taiwan had already told the WHO they had clear evidence of human-to-human transmission. The WHO ignored them, under pressure from China.1. The WHO never said it didn't spread person to person. They said there was no evidence yet that it didn't.
Again, false. Not only did Taiwan notify the WHO, but China had clear and convincing evidence of human-to-human transmission as early as December -- probably even earlier.The statement was made well before any clue of a pandemic was possible.
A rather puerile response. Or did you fail to grasp the point? You were implying that a Covid vaccine is going to solve all our problems. It won't. Vaccine or no, every person on the planet is eventually going to be exposed to the disease. Just as they have with every other highly infectious respiratory virus known to mankind. We have never been able to eliminate any such virus -- the 1918 Spanish Flu strain, for example, is still circulating in the general population, for the last 100+ years. It kills few people annually now, only because nearly everyone is already exposed."The Flu Vaccine is only 40-50% effective". Take it up with the CDC.
97000-children-tested-positive-for-covid-19...
What makes your reply all the more amusing is that not only is it true, but your own link contains this very information. From the CDC FAQ link in the WaPo story you posted:Complete bullshit. Literally no state does that and that is simply a lie.
The statement was in early January. No definate.Again, false. Not only did Taiwan notify the WHO, but China had clear and convincing evidence of human-to-human
OK, I will wait until those numbers before I think something should be done.During the H1N1 epidemic, we lost over 8,000 children. That's 200 times as many dead
Wait, did you not claim that people died of other causes were officially listed as COVID-19 deaths by healthcare officials and hospitals? The post above does not talk about that and that was what I was commenting on.What makes your reply all the more amusing is that not only is it true, but your own link contains this very information. From the CDC FAQ link in the WaPo story you posted:
A probable case or death is defined as:
- A person meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19;
- A person meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence;
- A person meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/faq-surveillance.html
The truth is never embarrassing.Stop embarrassing yourself
That is until proven false.The truth is never embarrassing.
Then it's embarrassing.That is until proven false.
What I said was quite clear. Your WaPo article attempted to compare proven, lab-tested flu deaths to probable, presumptive Covid deaths. These are deaths in which Covid was not confirmed, yet the death was still presumed to be due to Covid. That's not a valid comparison. It's a methodology which drastically understates flu deaths (which your own article admits), and overstates at least somewhat the actual Covid deaths (a fact your article fails to mention).Wait, did you not claim that people died of other causes were officially listed as COVID-19 deaths
It certainly does. Read through the underlying methodology. Deaths are counted with no direct proof of Covid infection, based upon one of several other factors. As just one example, if an elderly person was found dead in their home, and known or presumed to have had close contact with an infected person, that meets the criteria for a Covid fatality.The post above does not talk about that
And yet they have less than 1/3 the deaths of New York State. Nothing beats the idiocy of forcing nursing homes to accept Covid-infected patients, placing them in the same room as those most vulnerable to the disease.While they don't have an exclusive on COVID-iots Florida certainly seems to be their spiritual home.
Several studies have shown that cloth masks in a public setting are not only ineffective, but may actually increase the spread of the disease. Wearing a mask for no reason other than virtue signalling is a poor idea." Sheriff Woods disputed the idea that masks are a consensus approach to battling the pandemic".
Talk to the GovernorAnd yet they have less than 1/3 the deaths of New York State. Nothing beats the idiocy of forcing nursing homes to accept Covid-infected patients, placing them in the same room as those most vulnerable to the disease.
No kidding. Gaiters may be the biggest problem.Several studies have shown that cloth masks in a public setting are not only ineffective, but may actually increase the spread of the disease
Agreed. But they did it. And they are in Florida. And it was stupid. As I was saying.Nothing beats the idiocy of forcing nursing homes to accept Covid-infected patients
They are certainly the worst problem. But even plain cloth masks are likely to increase the spread of Covid. Unless you're wearing an N95 respirator -- and well trained on how to properly utilize it -- masks are, in general, counterproductive.No kidding. Gaiters may be the biggest problem.
Eh? It was New York that ordered nursing homes to accept Covid patients, not Florida.Agreed. But they did it. And they are in Florida. And it was stupid.
I knew that was coming. Florida did it too. Chris Wallace from fox talked to Gov Desantis about it on fox news Sunday in May or June. Maybe it was as a point about what happened in NY but Desantis didn't do anything. My home state of Pa. did it too.Eh? It was New York that ordered nursing homes to accept Covid patients, not Florida.
They are critical in helping prevent spreading the virus.Unless you're wearing an N95 respirator -- and well trained on how to properly utilize it -- masks are, in general, counterproductive.
You misunderstood the interview. Only New York had a policy requiring nursing homes to accept Covid-infected patients.I knew that was coming. Florida did it too. Chris Wallace from fox talked to Gov Desantis about it,...
Critical? Nonsense. In public settings, a wide amount of research has shown that cloth masks are ineffective, and are likely to actually increase the spread of viral diseases. If you doubt this, I will be happy to provide sources. As for your video clip and it's little $200 science experiment, there are at least a half-dozen problems with it and its conclusions. Leave real medical research to real medical researchers.[Masks] are critical in helping prevent spreading the virus.