"Recovering" from Covid-19

[scavengerspc]

You misunderstood the interview. Only New York had a policy requiring nursing homes to accept Covid-infected patients.

I took notes and misunderstood nothing but I never said it was a Government policy in Fla or Pa only that they were doing it. But I will look for the interview and rewatch it just in case. I do know that the NY cases in nursing homes were something like 6 or 7 times worse than in Florida. Back home it was a huge deal and dominated the talk shows for weeks in Pittsburgh. And please don't waste your breath telling me I was not hearing this for weeks on KDKA in Pittsburgh.

Critical? Nonsense. In public settings, a wide amount of research has shown that cloth masks are ineffective, and are likely to actually increase the spread of viral diseases. If you doubt this, I will be happy to provide sources. As for your video clip and it's little $200 science experiment, there are at least a half-dozen problems with it and its conclusions. Leave real medical research to real medical researchers.

Let's see. You. Or Fauci, Birx, the CDC, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and every major University in the world?

You lose.

As for your video clip and it's little $200 science experiment

From LA Vision? What a joke.

Man everyone was right. It does suck to have a stalker.

Post up. You know the drill. Im not responding to your waste in your next post unless I find the video and I remembered it wrong. Have at it and stop wasting my time.

 

[scavengerspc]

Kids contracting the virus is going up sharply. But it looks as though a big reason is the "Adults" around them. Not surprised to be honest.

MSN

"The pediatric cases are in all of the same states that we know are surging with adults who have disease," said Dr. Jodie Dionne-Odom, an assistant professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

Looking for good news? From Healthline:

"Arizona, a one-time hot spot in the country, continued its downward trend. The state reported 8,000 new cases, a decrease of 49 percent from the week before".

 

[cliffordcooley]

I only wish this was an epidemic. Then all this BS we are going through would actually be worth it. At first I didn't know what I wanted to think of all this. Now I know it is all political BS.

 

[scavengerspc]

I only wish this was an epidemic. Then all this BS we are going through would actually be worth it. At first I didn't know what I wanted to think of all this. Now I know it is all political BS.

I hate it when you do that brother.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I'm trying to remain silent just like I did during Obama's term as president. Just as soon as I heard he was running for president I clammed up and said nothing. Because I knew he would be president.

I'm trying to remain silent and allow everyone to deal with this overhyped sickness. But now the crap has gone on for far too long, and is stepping on our constitutional freedoms. It's pissing me off. I look around I don't see anyone sick. All I see is a flock of sheep roaming around wearing ineffective mask.

Politicians are using this sickness just like they have been racism. That is the only explanation for the situation we are in currently.

 

[Endymio]

I never said it was a Government policy in Fla or Pa only that they were doing it.

I am beginning to wonder if English is your second language. Let us recap: I say "The state of New York forced nursing homes to accept infected patients, causing by far the largest number of deaths in the country." You say: "Florida did that too!" And when I point out otherwise, you say: "I never said it was a government policy." Please, please explain how a government can force nursing homes to take in infected patients without it being an official policy.

Or, show a little character, and simply admit you were wrong. You couldn't do that about your article which grossly misstated flu death comparisons. But who knows? People can change.

 

[Endymio]

Let's see. You. Or Fauci, Birx, the CDC, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and every major University in the world?

You lose.

This is the level of misinformed ignorance that comes of people attempting to glean all their knowledge from mass media. There are a vast number of studies -- not only from before this epidemic, but during as well - that demonstrate what I said. I'll quote just a couple:

From: A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers (10 co-authors, National Institute of Health Website)

Conclusions: The results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended...

Another study, from the CDC website, 7 co-authors: Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures

From the conclusions: Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza....improper use might increase the risk of infection..."

There are literally dozens of other such studies, but the point is well made. These are actual medical researchers, publishing actual medical research ... not CNN reporters. I suggest you listen to them, not Anderson Cooper.

This all was, in fact, common knowledge before the epidemic began, which is why the CDC initially recommended against the public wearing masks ... before it eventually bowed to political pressure and changed its guidance.

 

[Endymio]

Man everyone was right. It does suck to have a stalker.

Stalking? No. You're posting disinformation in a public forum. Worse, you're posting dangerous medical disinformation, on a site primarily devoted to computer tech, and you're doing so -- as you already admitted -- for political purposes. That offends those of us who actually work in the biotech sector and know better.

Post in another thread, about another topic, and you'll never see me. As long as you're here attempting to misinform people about such a crucially important topic, expect to be set straight.

 

[Endymio]

I look around I don't see anyone sick. All I see is a flock of sheep roaming around wearing ineffective mask.

Worse than ineffective, they are dangerous. I see it every day. A woman in a grocery store, breathing into her cloth mask, dampening it with her exhalations. She touches the mask two or three times a minute, adjusting it, and getting those wet exhalations all over the palm of her hands, transferring any active agents to and from her hands and mouth area. Multiply this by millions of people hundreds of times a day, and it's a real problem.

The most recent research on Covid has shown that aerosol transmission is a primary mode. Aerosol particles in the sub-5um range stay airborne for hours, and they are far, far too small to be blocked by a cloth mask.

 

[scavengerspc]

Even with pockets of improvement we still continue our quest in record-setting. Its the "murican" way I guess.

MSN

You have to go back to May to find numbers like we are putting up now.

It's baffling because as I corrected someone earlier, New Zealand has given the world a blueprint on how to fight back against COVID-19.

They went 102 days without a single case. We are faced with certain obvious barriers in duplicating what they did but they still offer plenty to learn. (My apologies to some for using that L word).

How did New Zealand become Covid-19 free?
"New Zealand's isolated location and relatively low population density certainly helped its efforts, but Prof Baker says that was only a minor benefit.
This strategy could work anywhere that has functioning government and infrastructure, he said, citing diverse examples like Vietnam, Taiwan and China.
The countries I'm more perplexed about are the UK, as well as Europe and North America. We normally look to them for our leadership in public health, he says".

I put a part of that in bold because, well this is what the Orangutan in chief is focused on.

US to ease water rules after Trump's shower moan

"The US government is looking at easing regulations on shower fittings following complaints from President Donald Trump who has regularly railed against water conservation rules in his quest for "perfect hair."

 

[scavengerspc]

Sorry, wrong thread.

 

[Endymio]

"us-has-most-deaths-in-1-day-since-may..."

Which is another way of saying, the current death rate is lower than it was in April. Little more than half, in fact...despite the fact that the daily case counts are much higher. Despite your claim, we are far from setting any "records" on death counts today. But why be honest when you can scaremonger and sensationalize, eh?

By the way, I notice you failed to respond to the mask research sources. I assume you now realize how misinformed you were on that issue. Amazing how baldly your media outlets misled you, eh?

New Zealand has given the world a blueprint on how to fight back against COVID-19.

Yes they have-- move to a remote island and seal off your borders. Look at Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Greenland, or any number of other islands, all with extremely low per-capita case rates. Geography is one of the three primary factors correlating to case rates. The other two are population density, and chronological timing of case zero (nations which had already achieved community spread before the WHO admitted there was human-to-human spread were hit far harder).

New Zealand benefits from all three of those factors. The US, none. And in any case, it's unclear exactly what long-term benefits New Zealand is going to see from their early "success". Eventually, everyone in New Zealand is going to be exposed to Covid anyway. They are, for now, simply delaying the inevitable. Mankind has never been able to eradicate even one highly infectious respiratory virus. I doubt Covid will be any different. Italy, the US, the UK, and many other nations will achieve herd immunity this year. New Zealand? Maybe next year.

 

[scavengerspc]

Which is another way of saying, the current death rate is lower than it was in April. Little more than half, in fact...despite the fact that the daily case counts are much higher. But why report honestly when you can scaremonger and sensationalize, eh?

By the way, I notice you failed to respond to the mask research sources. I assume you now realize how misinformed you were on that issue. Amazing how baldly your media outlets misled you, eh?

Yes they have-- move to a remote island and seal off your borders. Look at Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Greenland, or any number of other islands, all with extremely low per-capita case rates. Geography is one of the three primary factors correlating to case rates. The other two are population density, and chronological timing of case zero (nations which had already achieved community spread before the WHO admitted there was human-to-human spread were hit far harder).

New Zealand benefits from all three of those factors. The US, none. And in any case, it's unclear exactly what long-term benefits New Zealand is going to see from their early "success". Eventually, everyone in New Zealand is going to be exposed to Covid anyway. They are, for now, simply delaying the inevitable. Mankind has never been able to eradicate even one highly infectious respiratory virus. I doubt Covid will be any different. Italy, the US, the UK, and many other nations will achieve herd immunity this year. New Zealand? Maybe next year.

Until you start providing reputable links to your propaganda and stop writing novels I don't even read your posts. For Gods sake get to the point and show some proof.

 

[cliffordcooley]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=238994270483645

 

[scavengerspc]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=238994270483645

It's very informative for sure but I'm not certain it really says anything new. It is interesting and well laid out just a bit loooooonger than it had to be.

 

[Endymio]

Until you start providing reputable links...

On research showing the ineffectiveness and indeed dangers of wearing cloth masks, I posted links to peer-reviewed research on the the CDC and NIH websites. You can pretend they're not reputable if you like, but I don't believe anyone will believe you.

On your most recent post, do you need a link demonstrating that New Zealand is indeed a remote island? Glad to help:

 

[Endymio]

Graph demonstrating current death rate is half what it was during the April surge:

 

[Endymio]

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Excellent video ... for those who have the attention span to actually watch it. It confirms quite nicely that the risk to children from Covid is essentially zero. School children have a higher chance of dying from an accident on the bus ride to school, than they do from contracting Covid at that school.

The video also makes quite nicely the point that the US methodology overstates Covid deaths, by counting a significant number of people who died from other comorbidity factors.

 

[scavengerspc]

On research showing the ineffectiveness and indeed dangers of wearing cloth masks

I don't think I ever promoted cloth masks, my deal has always been the use of triple-layer cotton masks, which might help some with contracting the virus.

Masks May Reduce Viral Dose, Some Experts Say (Published 2020)

People wearing face coverings will take in fewer coronavirus particles, evidence suggests, making disease less severe.

www.nytimes.com

Hard to believe it's you saying I should read more carefully.

Graph demonstrating current death rate is half what it was during the April surge:

Well I did say May now didnt I? But thank you for the links and I do mean that but seriously, the point was, and my exact words were, "You have to go back to May to find numbers like we are putting up now". Look at your graph, late May was highest until now.

Hard to believe it's you saying I should read more carefully.

On your most recent post, do you need a link demonstrating that New Zealand is indeed a remote island?

Of course not you big silly. I have been there twice. And I can tell you they don't care if they were in space, the fact remains:

"New Zealand's isolated location and relatively low population density certainly helped its efforts, but Prof Baker says that was only a minor benefit". Prof Michael Baker is one of New Zealand's top epidemiologists".

Please don't make me have to post that again, this is the third time.
Hard to believe it's you saying I should read more carefully.

For those who have the attention span to actually watch it. It confirms quite nicely that the risk to children from Covid is essentially zero

The possibility of death is extremely low, I always said that and never denied it. My point has always been that my opinion is when even 1 dies that could possibly have been prevented it is too many.

Hard to believe it's you saying I should read more carefully.