Russia says it will stop selling rocket engines to the US

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captaincranky

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Russian Embassy Canada

I can't say whether this is good or bad.

I wish Americans remembered history, or at least thought critically about it. We're lied to constantly. Now, of course Putin is a dictator, so don't trust their propaganda media either. But I suspect neither narratives are real, it's probably something else entirely. Although, going by recent history, Russia's propaganda sounds more believable.

Remember WMDs? America invaded Iraq because they had "Weapons of Mass Destruction," after killing countless civilians, we knew by 2008 that it wasn't true, they didn't have WMDs. What happened after that? America stayed in Iraq for half a decade (and returned shortly after leaving). It's always bullshit. America makes trillions of dollars financing wars with tax dollars.

I think the real story is that America was targeting Iran. Iraq is on Iran's western border and Afghanistan is on Iran's eastern border. The American military occupied the two countries which cover Iran's largest borders.

Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? When Russia installed missiles in Cuba to target the US? Long story short, Americans are banned from visiting Cuba, and American military still occupy Guantanamo Bay.

Now, considering that, Russia's version of the story seems closer to the truth. America is (likely) installing military facilities in the Ukraine, on Russia's border. Sound familiar? They're targeting Russia and Russia isn't having it.

Anyways, disclaimer, this is all speculation. But knowing history, we can't blindly accept the official narrative (from either side), so we should question what we're told. Now, that's too simple, I'm probably wrong, but I remember history, I know better than to cheer lead the narrative.
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Uncle Al

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Russia appears to be sadly misinformed about it's importance to the space program as well as a lot of other things. We're on a good path to force Putin out of office, I only hope they do it in such a way he can never enter politics or the world stage again. A simple $10 .50 cal round would also be an acceptable solution, no mater who uses it.
 

captaincranky

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Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? When Russia installed missiles in Cuba to target the US? Long story short, Americans are banned from visiting Cuba, and American military still occupy Guantanamo Bay.
However, restrictions introduced by the Trump administration between 2017 and 2019 are still in place, meaning that US citizens must jump through a number of extra hoops before planning a trip. Casual beach holidays are not currently an option, but it is still possible to visit Cuba if you're prepared to put up with some red tape along the way.
 

quadibloc

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Trump's the kind of guy that actually had decent policies, but people couldn't get over his crude nature, because, well... people are weak, that's the fact of the matter. Biden is a freaking disaster, but at least he is diplomatic? Doesn't seem to help my energy bill or my gas tank.
Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. Yes, cutting back on imports and immigration would help protect American jobs. But Trump's ability to execute on that was not good, and his "crude nature" indicated why. While he was able to do some mean-spirited things to some immigrants, he had no intention of actually cutting off his donors from cheap labor.
And then there are his policies on the pandemic, focused on the short-term economic costs of precautions instead of the long-term consequences of letting it rage unchecked.
Trump was an absolute disaster, not someone with the right policies.
 
Last night they even started shelling the biggest nuclear reactor in the whole of Europe which just so happens to be in Ukraine. I don't understand that, why would you attack such an expensive and potentially "nuclear disaster prone" piece of infrastructure?

Why? To make it harder for Ukraine to fight back, by literally plunging them into darkness by pulling the electricity away from them.
There is logic to it, though how they did it is something else...
 

Bl00dyMinded

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Trump had decent policies? HAHAHA. I doubt he could SPELL the word "policies". Biden is a disaster? Of course he is! Any liberal president to you people is a disaster no matter what he does. You know who else had decent policies? Hitler. But people couldn't get over his... oh wait.

Oh and people couldn't get over Trump's crude nature because they're weak? Wow, really? It wasn't because Trump was a racist, bigoted, brain-dead, *****, con-man, right?
Probably one of the dumbest post I've ever read on Techspot.
 

Sausagemeat

Posts: 1,597   +1,422
Russian Embassy Canada

I can't say whether this is good or bad.

I wish Americans remembered history, or at least thought critically about it. We're lied to constantly. Now, of course Putin is a dictator, so don't trust their propaganda media either. But I suspect neither narratives are real, it's probably something else entirely. Although, going by recent history, Russia's propaganda sounds more believable.

Remember WMDs? America invaded Iraq because they had "Weapons of Mass Destruction," after killing countless civilians, we knew by 2008 that it wasn't true, they didn't have WMDs. What happened after that? America stayed in Iraq for half a decade (and returned shortly after leaving). It's always bullshit. America makes trillions of dollars financing wars with tax dollars.

I think the real story is that America was targeting Iran. Iraq is on Iran's western border and Afghanistan is on Iran's eastern border. The American military occupied the two countries which cover Iran's largest borders.

Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? When Russia installed missiles in Cuba to target the US? Long story short, Americans are banned from visiting Cuba, and American military still occupy Guantanamo Bay.

Now, considering that, Russia's version of the story seems closer to the truth. America is (likely) installing military facilities in the Ukraine, on Russia's border. Sound familiar? They're targeting Russia and Russia isn't having it.

Anyways, disclaimer, this is all speculation. But knowing history, we can't blindly accept the official narrative (from either side), so we should question what we're told. Now, that's too simple, I'm probably wrong, but I remember history, I know better than to cheer lead the narrative.
Putins claims about nazis in the Ukraine are accurate. These Nazis are even funded by the Ukrainian government, they even have ministers within the Ukraine government who are openly neo nazi. Whatever the truth is, the main stream media seem desperate to start a war between Russia and NATO and are attempting to tenure support within the west by painting Ukraine to be some kind of victim and by lying to us and saying the Ukraine is a democracy which it most certainly is not. Note that the US has been sending money to the Ukraine for a long time aswell, even Trump questioned this a few years back.

Watch the BBC ignore the obvious Nazi comment made by the Ukrainian administration;

 

Bullwinkle M

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What Putin did has nothing to do with him being smart or dumb
It is a necessity

He needs the bases to the sea without interference from the west and he will have them without interference from the west

If you wish to interfere, then it's WW3 and that would make you extremely dumb (like zelensky)

He wants to drag everyone in the world into a world war for what?
What is the upside?
Ukraine is a lost cause

Refuse to admit the facts at your own peril / not at mine
and remember....
Admitting the facts is not the same thing as taking a side

 
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wiyosaya

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Putin is 69 years old, he's gone senile and maybe something else is kicking in like dementia or something. He essentially murders any political opposition and has billionaires backing him, there is no one to fight him internally in Russia.
One of those oligarchs has put a $1M bounty on Putie's head - https://alltop.com/viral/russian-oligarch-puts-1m-bounty-putin
I do wonder what will happen with the huge amount of pressure the west have put on Russia though. Their economy is going to suffer from this and Ukraine won't bring in any money, specially since they're shelling pretty much everything.

Last night they even started shelling the biggest nuclear reactor in the whole of Europe which just so happens to be in Ukraine. I don't understand that, why would you attack such an expensive and potentially "nuclear disaster prone" piece of infrastructure?
 

wiyosaya

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This thread full of people who don't know **** about spaceflight but sure have opinions.
Uh huh. Yourself included.
The Russian engines the US uses are fantastic; there's a reason why they're used. However, they're also on the way out and have been since Crimea. ULA has already secured all the engines they need for their final flights before Vulcan is supposed to fly. Antares is ****ed, but it primarily launches Cygnus; that can feasibly ride on a Falcon 9.

ULA and Blue Origin are both planning to use the eternally delayed BE-4 engine, which is built in the US by Blue Origin themselves. The flight articles still haven't been delivered, and are about half a decade late.
Yep. Musky and Bozos are going to save the US space program, single-handedly. šŸ¤£
SLS is going to use a modified RS-25 engine that was used on the Shuttle, though it's so overdue, expensive, and low production that it'll never be a feasible launch provider outside of congressional mandates.

That leaves smallsat launchers, a few New Space hopefuls like the future Terran and Neutron, and the tremendously successful SpaceX for US launch services. The Falcon 9 is the cheapest launch vehicle in its class by a huge margin, and already among the most reliable launchers ever. It's human-rated, maintains a rapid launch cadence, and may soon be obsoleted by its successor.

Tl;dr: US spaceflight and launch services outside of SpaceX are tenuous at best (or limited to small sats), but it's not at all because of the Russians. The US was already in the process of abandoning them.

And as an aside, the idea of rebuilding F-1s is absurd. The amount of hands-on, skilled labor required just doesn't exist anymore. You may want to look into the modernization that was proposed for liquid boosters for SLS.
Yep, NASA is doomed. No technology could be revisited because the skill does not exist anymore. Laughable. Perhaps you should visit this quote


And perhaps you should understand that NASA has other contractors besides Bozos and Musky - https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/...-science-cargo-to-international-space-station

Ah, but what the hey. I'm just another dumba$$ with an opinion who knows nothing. :laughing:
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 7,827   +6,807
What Putin did has nothing to do with him being smart or dumb
It is a necessity

He needs the bases to the sea without interference from the west and he will have them without interference from the west

If you wish to interfere, then it's WW3 and that would make you extremely dumb (like zelensky)

He wants to drag everyone in the world into a world war for what?
What is the upside?
Ukraine is a lost cause

Refuse to admit the facts at your own peril / not at mine
and remember....
Admitting the facts is not the same thing as taking a side

Yep. Nearly the entire world against Russia. Its a lost cause. :rolleyes:
 

Bullwinkle M

Posts: 709   +601
Yep. Nearly the entire world against Russia. Its a lost cause. :rolleyes:
As I've clearly explained, being for Russia or against Russia is not relevant

Ukraine is still a lost cause

You can give it up and live or you can die
Either way, you lose Ukraine
That is "your" choice, not Putins

You cannot dictate your version of democracy to a dictator
(that should be a meme)
 
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Michiel

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Trump's the kind of guy that actually had decent policies, but people couldn't get over his crude nature, because, well... people are weak, that's the fact of the matter. Biden is a freaking disaster, but at least he is diplomatic? Doesn't seem to help my energy bill or my gas tank.

People couldn't get over it because the media were throwing every little thing into their face 24/7 (yeah not saying there wasn't enough material there to mine, but there was also plenty of perfectly good stuff that never was reported) and if there wasn't something to mine they made something up, blowing every utterance completely (huuugely) out of proportion. At the same time, they are still treating the corpse of Biden like he's the messiah. Biden who's been snubbing Musk and Tesla every chance he can when talking about EV's. Yeah, who's developing those new rocket engines right there in the US mr Biden?
 

AlaskaGuy

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Trump had decent policies? HAHAHA. I doubt he could SPELL the word "policies". Biden is a disaster? Of course he is! Any liberal president to you people is a disaster no matter what he does. You know who else had decent policies? Hitler. But people couldn't get over his... oh wait.

Oh and people couldn't get over Trump's crude nature because they're weak? Wow, really? It wasn't because Trump was a racist, bigoted, brain-dead, *****, con-man, right?
While Trump was President the US saw a 50 year low in unemployment, and an all time unemployment low for blacks & hispanics. The small business confidence index level was at its highest in twenty years as was the consumer confidence index level. Trump reworked NAFTA in our favor so we stopped getting hosed on trade, he had the US energy independent for the first time since the early 1960's (looked at gas prices lately), he pushed our NATO partners to start paying their promised 2% of GDP towards their defense spending, he put sanctions on Nord Stream 2 ... the same Russian pipeline that Biden lifted the sanctions on during his first month in office. Trump was the first President to walk the talk and move our embassy to Jerusalem. Multiple peace treaties were signed under Trump's watch including Israel with multiple Arab nations and Serbia - Kosovo. Now please tell us what positives Biden has done since he was elected.
 

Athlonite

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About time to open talks with Rocket Labs and see if they sell a few that they build completely themselves
 

captaincranky

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Trump's watch including Israel with multiple Arab nations and Serbia - Kosovo
Yeah, and Afghanistan as well. He brought the Taliban into the government. Bold move there as well. Then he turned 3,500 (?) of their prisoners loose. And then, (big surprise), the Taliban took over a few days after the date certain for our complete withdrawal.

Biden lived up to the deal that Trymp made. Now you want to try and blame him for the "Great Pumpkin"s" screw up.

Oh, and pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal as well. Which is when we lost any over watch on their ongoing nuclear program.

Lock him up, lock him up , lock him up........
 

AlaskaGuy

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Yeah, and Afghanistan as well. He brought the Taliban into the government. Bold move there as well. Then he turned 3,500 (?) of their prisoners loose. And then, (big surprise), the Taliban took over a few days after the date certain for our complete withdrawal.

Biden lived up to the deal that Trymp made. Now you want to try and blame him for the "Great Pumpkin"s" screw up.

Oh, and pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal as well. Which is when we lost any over watch on their ongoing nuclear program.

Lock him up, lock him up , lock him up........
You mean the same Taliban that Biden handed over billions of dollars of US weapons to while getting US troops killed during his disaster of a pullout ... that Taliban? btw the Iran nuclear deal is a total hose job and anyone who actually looked into it would know this. It's similar to the Paris Climate Agreement Scam in regards to slimey deals. btw what's a gallon of gas go for in your neck of the woods?
 

Kotters

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Ah, but what the hey. I'm just another dumba$$ with an opinion who knows nothing. :laughing:

Well, you're the one claiming the label, and you're doing an admirable job proving it. For instance:

And perhaps you should understand that NASA has other contractors besides Bozos and Musky - https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/...-science-cargo-to-international-space-station

If you actually read either your own link or my post, you'd realize that your "other contractor" is literally the only rocket that is being affected by Russia refusing to sell engines to the US. Northrup Grumman's rocket is the Antares that I mentioned in my post, and the cargo vehicle is the Cygnus. Antares uses the RD-181 engine built by Energomash in Russia, on a first stage built by Yuzhmash in Ukraine.

Yep, NASA is doomed. No technology could be revisited because the skill does not exist anymore. Laughable. Perhaps you should visit this quote

The only one claiming NASA is doomed is you. NASA has spent more than a decade freeing itself from the shackles of congressional waste and conservative pork with the various commercial services programs, and NASA is not exclusively a launch provider. The majority of its work is scientific and research-oriented. Earth observation, probes to other bodies in the solar system, telescopes, etc. are all functions that you're ignoring when you hear "SLS is bad and dumb."

As for the F-1, if you knew anything about the engine and how it was created, you'd know that it had an insane amount of handcrafting involved in its manufacture. One of the common examples is how its nozzle was hand-brazed and welded together out of a colossal amount of metal tubes in order to regeneratively cool it. The amount of experienced labor in the skills required for its construction absolutely does not exist anymore. Manufacturing has changed significantly since the 1960s. This isn't doomsaying, this is reality.

If you'd actually read my post before angrily typing away, you'd know that the F-1B I hinted at is exactly the kind of modernization you're trying to dunk on me with. It's a modernized, updated design, using manufacturing techniques and technologies from this millennium, and is very different from the original F-1.

Yep. Musky and Bozos are going to save the US space program, single-handedly. šŸ¤£

Blue Origin can't get to orbit and hasn't delivered a single flight-ready BE-4 engine. If they're going to "save" the US space program, they're not going to do it anytime soon. Can you even name their planned orbital rocket?

SpaceX is operating the most reliable, affordable, and capable US launch vehicle today. They're also operating the only US orbital vehicle capable of safely carrying humans into orbit. That's an admirable achievement, and a very important capability, but human spaceflight and payload delivery isn't the entirety of NASA's purpose.

Tourists like yourself, who have no real understanding, knowledge, or experience with NASA, Spaceflight, or Rocketry in general, should spend 5 minutes researching what they're talking about before speaking. Hell, a single Scott Manley video would do you wonders. At least then you'd be able to form an opinion that goes further than "this rich man bad, these rich men good."
 
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