Ryzen 3600 build mainboard question

So, my kid is pestering me to build a new PC (not that I need much convincing). Currently we have an HP Elitedesk 705 system (AMD A8-6500B, SSD, 16 GB RAM (2x8) sporting a 4 GB Radeon RX 550). System works fine and I got it very cheap, but my kid likes to game and would also like to record / edit / stream video and it's more of a "do one thing at a time" system right now and to be honest already a bit under powered.

Plus, my Ryzen 2500u Notebook already feels a lot snappier and smoother.
I think even the Ryzen 3000G would be a noticeable upgrade but I decided on the following after checking prices here in Germany:

CPU: Ryzen 3600 - decided for the entry level Ryzen 3000 series.
RAM: 32GB G.Skill RipJaws V schwarz DDR4-3200 (2x16)
GPU: I will most likely go for an RX 5700 (non-XT), either Sapphire or Powercolor. Plan is to upgrade it with something bigger in a year or so.

I am still very undecided on the mainboard. The plan is to keep the system for a long time, so I would probably upgrade to a 3900X or 3950X once they are EOL and then afterwards a Ryzen 4000 series CPU.
While PCIe 4 is not really a big factor for me now (do not plan on getting a PCIe 4 SSD from the start and it won't matter for an RX 5700), I want the system to be useable for at least the next four to five years and I feel it might make a difference in two years already.
For me, a big plus of AM4 is the upgradeability and the mainboard is really the last thing I want to change (as it's imho a hassle) . Anything else will probably be replaced over time though.

The mainboard that I would really want / love to get is the MSI X570 Creation (sounds nice and has tons of USB ports).
But, it's not exactly on the cheap side, even for X570 boards, so the alternatives I am looking at are:

- An MSI 450 Max board for around €100 - should be good enough for now but not sure how it will do in the future and it does not have too many USB ports. Also, I do not think that I will be happy with it with the next upgrade already, so it's almost out of the question.
- A Taichi X470 for €200. This seems like a solid board with a good build quality and VRM / power circuitry, but it has no PCIe 4
- Another X570 board in the €200-300 range, preferrably with a fan that sits idle when not needed and enough USB ports. I do not care about LED or Wifi but it should have a good build quality and power circuitry (including cooling).


Oh: Overclocking is not my thing. Do not really care. But I do value stability and reliability and maybe the option to play with memory timings.

Any suggestions would be greatly welcome.
 
Thanks for the input. Will probably wait for B550 and may even end up "just" getting my kid a new XBox for gaming as spending priorities changed a bit.

Am still very tempted to build a new PC, so I'll see.

But something like the Tomahawk in B550 form would be nice if B550 boards at least support the 20 CPU direct PCIe 4 lanes.
 

MaikuTech

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Good luck with your new build, check the ram support list to make sure it'll handle what you want to put in there.
 

wizardB

TS Booster
So, my kid is pestering me to build a new PC (not that I need much convincing). Currently we have an HP Elitedesk 705 system (AMD A8-6500B, SSD, 16 GB RAM (2x8) sporting a 4 GB Radeon RX 550). System works fine and I got it very cheap, but my kid likes to game and would also like to record / edit / stream video and it's more of a "do one thing at a time" system right now and to be honest already a bit under powered.

Plus, my Ryzen 2500u Notebook already feels a lot snappier and smoother.
I think even the Ryzen 3000G would be a noticeable upgrade but I decided on the following after checking prices here in Germany:

CPU: Ryzen 3600 - decided for the entry level Ryzen 3000 series.
RAM: 32GB G.Skill RipJaws V schwarz DDR4-3200 (2x16)
GPU: I will most likely go for an RX 5700 (non-XT), either Sapphire or Powercolor. Plan is to upgrade it with something bigger in a year or so.

I am still very undecided on the mainboard. The plan is to keep the system for a long time, so I would probably upgrade to a 3900X or 3950X once they are EOL and then afterward a Ryzen 4000 series CPU.
While PCIe 4 is not really a big factor for me now (do not plan on getting a PCIe 4 SSD from the start and it won't matter for an RX 5700), I want the system to be useable for at least the next four to five years and I feel it might make a difference in two years already.
For me, a big plus of AM4 is the upgradeability and the mainboard is really the last thing I want to change (as it's IMHO a hassle) . Anything else will probably be replaced over time though.

The mainboard that I would really want / love to get is the MSI X570 Creation (sounds nice and has tons of USB ports).
But, it's not exactly on the cheap side, even for X570 boards, so the alternatives I am looking at are:

- An MSI 450 Max board for around €100 - should be good enough for now but not sure how it will do in the future and it does not have too many USB ports. Also, I do not think that I will be happy with it with the next upgrade already, so it's almost out of the question.
- A Taichi X470 for €200. This seems like a solid board with a good build quality and VRM / power circuitry, but it has no PCIe 4
- Another X570 board in the €200-300 range, preferably with a fan that sits idle when not needed and enough USB ports. I do not care about LED or Wifi but it should have a good build quality and power circuitry (including cooling).


Oh: Overclocking is not my thing. Do not really care. But I do value stability and reliability and maybe the option to play with memory timings.

Any suggestions would be greatly welcome.
Grab a gigabyte X570 board I've been rocking a Master Board for a couple of months now. Rock-solid and overclocks well.
 
Settle for the MSI 450 Tomahawk mobo if you haven't already/
The specs should be enough for your kids at home.

Also crucial ballistix works "MUCH" more better than G skill with a lesser failure rate.
Well, seems like the issue solved itself for me.

Just saw that the Ryzen 7 2700x was on sale - cheapest I found it for was on Alternate.de for €149 including free shipping. Just had to order it as this is €40 less than the best offer I could find on a 3600 (non-X).

I think I'll go for the MSI 450 Tomahawk with this CPU and then get the rest bit by bit.
I will look into the Crucial Ballistix memory.
 
A little update - ordered all the components except for the GPU.

For the GPU, I decided to try and score a cheap used 8 GB RX 470 / 480 (Sapphire). The reason for this was because my monitor is a full hd 60 Hz model at the moment and we are coming from an A8-6500B with a 4 GB RX 550, so this is already a lot better than what I have at the moment.

A monitor and GPU upgrade will probably come next year - sticking to a budget.

Components are:

CPU: Ryzen 2700X (will use the boxed cooler) - € 150. This includes the Ryzen bundle, will get Borderlands 3 which is a € 50 value right there
Memory: 2x8 GB Crucial Ballistix Sport LT V2 DDR4-3200 CL 16
Mainboard: MSI B450 Tomahawk Max
SSD: 500 GB Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe
PSU: be quiet Straight Power 11 Modular 80+ Gold 750W
Case: be quiet Pure Base 600
Lite on DVD RW
My total right now is € 650 including shipping. Hopefully I get score a cheap used RX 470 in the €50-60 range, so the total should be €700 which is a good bit less than planned.

For the longer term, a GPU + monitor upgrade is planned for next year, an upgrade to a Ryzen 9 3900x is also an option once it is EOL and cheaper. PSU and memory wise I should be fine, can always double the memory down the road.

In any case, the new PC will be a huge upgrade over what I have for a reasonable price.
Note: The last PC I built myself was an Athlon 2500+ system, so it's been a while :)
 
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Quick update: for the GPU I did get a 5500XT (Sapphire pulse) after all. Used Polaris cards were too expensive for my taste, plus I did not want to wait too much longer.

The 4 GB version was OK price wise, the 8GB one was out of the question as it is too expensive (+42 EUR) and for that price a somewhat more expensive 1650 super would have been a better deal.

Everything is now put together and I'm waiting on my Windows 10 DVD to arrive.

While putting the PC together, I remembered that the best part of building a PC (besides getting exactly the components you want) is when the d**n thing finally works. The building process, particularly attaching all the cables to the mainboard, getting the cooler on.... I could do without that :)
 
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New update - set-up and installed the system yesterday. Everything went fine and smoothely:

Opened the Bios and enabled virtualization (no idea why that is disabled) and read the memory profile to have it run at the correct speed. Did not change anything else.

Installed Windows 10 Pro, updated everything, installed AMD's chipset drivers, other mainboard drivers and lastly the Adrenaline drivers.

So far no issues and the system feels nice and smooth. Kid's been busy playing games and recording gameplay. I do feel like getting a 5600XT instead of the 5500XT may have been better, but since an update to something proper is planned for next year, why waste money. It is good enough, just not "Ultra" settings good :)

Overall, the kid and I are really happy with the new system and looking around what pre-built costs vs. what I get, am even happier.
 

daveteauk

TS Rookie
Too late I know for my input, but at least you didn't spend a fortune. I had a similar dilemma, and decided the MoBo was the thing that would last a few years so went for the MSI x570 ACE, a fantastic board, and great BIOS, unlike some other manus, and on offer at the time for £299. I slapped on a 3600x, for now, as it was just £188 at Currys - bargain. 4900x later this year along with a 'proper' gen4 M.2. I say 'proper' as the full bandwith capability isn't yet being realised by the current crop of gen4 M.2 NVMe SSD's with the Phison E16 controller as they're 'limited' to 5000mbps whereas the actual spec for gen4 is over 7000.