And you think it is any different in the office? With people playing solitary or just procrastinating for hours? Or those good and old conversation that takes so much of our time?
Salesforce CEO points finger at new, remote, and younger workers for company's falling...
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Ohnooze
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Housing has nothing to do with this. And they have it hard? OMG are you serious? They don't even want to work...lol
I have been in this business for 30 years and there is no way in hell new people coming into the field would ever be on the same level without spending time in the office. You can call me wrong until you're blue in the face but I know exactly what I'm talking about. These kids come out of school not knowing crap other than how to run numbers and they are right back in school but in the office.
Now if you have a team of senior guys then yeah you can work from home fine in most cases assuming they are not screw offs. But you still run risk of people taking advantage.
And I never said your team had to be in the same room or office. I said green or inexperienced people will absolutely not get the same education as being in the office. PM plans were not part of the conversation.
Well you can't go mow your lawn in the office. In most cases you can't be away from your desk all day with an osculating fan moving your mouse around so that you look active on teams. Again people who screw off are going to screw off even more if you let them work from home.
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passwordistaco
Posts: 572 +1,240
Remember - any job that can be done remotely from your home can be done remotely from overseas.
It's a bit amusing to hear this ******* blame young, inexperienced workers when for decades the conventional C suite "wisdom" has been that older, experienced workers are more expensive, therefore first up for layoffs.
It's a bit amusing to hear this ******* blame young, inexperienced workers when for decades the conventional C suite "wisdom" has been that older, experienced workers are more expensive, therefore first up for layoffs.
RudyBob
Posts: 1,474 +1,566
I think "old white dude" indicates you are a racist.
I worked from Home for 11 years before the Covid out break, I had started looking for a go to work job as I thought I was loosing my edge due to the fact I enjoyed the physical work environment and missed the workplace collaboration. I started my new Gig the day before the state closed down for Covid. Two years later my company has gone back to a 3 day week back in the office and catching Covid has turned into a weekly event. While working from home I regularly had to work 60 to 80 hour weeks. You may ask why, well in our case it's because the company laid off workers expecting an economic downturn they got a boom and the company is now unable to hire replacement staff. How you work either from home or work is up to you however the one thing I have noticed is that it is easier to hold people accountable to their face. I have also noticed a few new trends with WFH including that even though your calendar is full people will still try to book you mandatory attendance meetings, I have also noticed that 1 on 1 meetings unless adhoc tend to be 1 on none with the other parties too busy to meet.
NintPlayBox
Posts: 173 +227
Look all around you, seeing most people choosing to text instead of talking....they call it "convince".... psychologists call it lack of social skills.
The PROOF is all around you, and probably within you.
Peter Farkas
Posts: 654 +530
1st rule of leadership, everything is your fault.
CEO pointing finger to the bottom of the org hierarchy is pathetic, but is nothing we haven't seen before. Also, he is not going to be the last CEO blaming the little guys for making mediocre profit instead of record profit...
CEO pointing finger to the bottom of the org hierarchy is pathetic, but is nothing we haven't seen before. Also, he is not going to be the last CEO blaming the little guys for making mediocre profit instead of record profit...
Rock Dirty
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m3tavision
Posts: 1,438 +1,222
Managing YOUR TIME is not being efficient for the company... it's YOU being able to put work aside, because YOU need self time at the companies expense.
When being payed... YOUR TIME is theirs. (Not to many youngsters like giving up their time for work, just ask them).
In 2022 the quoted guy made just under $29 million. If he wants to make that much money he needs to work a whole lot harder himself.
Makste
Posts: 182 +132
Cost cutting is going to drive companies into completely embracing wfh eventually. We have to research about the best way of being both productive and free while working from home, and also how companies can ensure productivity from it's employees who are working away from work premises.
Everything has it's trade-offs, {(they're expected)/(they should be expected)} and they should be included in the calculations.
Things like wfh, cryptocurrency etc, are so much desired by the human heart that we'll eventually make them work.
Everything has it's trade-offs, {(they're expected)/(they should be expected)} and they should be included in the calculations.
Things like wfh, cryptocurrency etc, are so much desired by the human heart that we'll eventually make them work.
Ohnooze
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Says who exactly? If he's making money it's generally because he is bringing it in as well and justifies a high salary. He doesn't make that much because he's a lazy entitled genz sjw. If you want money you work for it and you can do really well...maybe even $29 million. Who are we to say what someone else should make anyway? Blows my mind that people who complain about working hard also want to controls what others are able to make. Society is just beyond repair at this point.
Avro Arrow
Posts: 3,721 +4,821
If I ever saw an executive take responsibility for their company's failures, I would think that the sky is falling.
I kept expecting his next line to be, "And Get the Hell off my lawn!" Jeez, could he sound any older? Let's get back to a one size fits all workers solution because that has always worked so well...while we're at it, let's get rid of any diversity in the workforce and maybe we should institute a stricter dress code too. All this shows to me is that Salesforce management is brittle and uncreative. Salesforce has hit the hockey stick so expect no innovation here.
Funny to see a that a company that was
so concerned about climate change change their course of action and want to drag people back to the office when almost every aspect of the job can be done from a computer or mobile device. Forcing workers back to the office adds more cars off the road, increased office space, etc. However, let's throw wfh employees under the bus because inflation is running rampant and shareholders aren't getting their kickbacks.
Let's face the facts, people would rather work from home because almost every non-physical job can be done from a keyboard while they save money on transportation and commuting as well as supporting the climate change initiative that's been spewed for 2 entire generations. Employers need to get used to the new workforce because it's here to stay.
so concerned about climate change change their course of action and want to drag people back to the office when almost every aspect of the job can be done from a computer or mobile device. Forcing workers back to the office adds more cars off the road, increased office space, etc. However, let's throw wfh employees under the bus because inflation is running rampant and shareholders aren't getting their kickbacks.
Let's face the facts, people would rather work from home because almost every non-physical job can be done from a keyboard while they save money on transportation and commuting as well as supporting the climate change initiative that's been spewed for 2 entire generations. Employers need to get used to the new workforce because it's here to stay.
He is making a ton of money from the workers PRODUCTIVITY.
But apparently $29M per year isn't enough.
No... common sense makes it obvious that how a company structures WFH will go a long way in determining how productive employees are. If a company is monitoring computer time instead of overall results, of course people will find ways to game the system. Too many companies think time spent is the measure of productivity, it's not. Fact is WFH often produces more positive results with less overall effort. But some middle managers just can't handle the less in that equation.
The other thing that common sense should make obvious is that not all tasks are more productive in a WFH environment. With, other than boiler rooms, sales being one that often won't work well without at least some face to face time. Data entry though... should be a prefect fit. So in the end it's not the concept, but the tasks and how the WFH is structured that determines how productive it ends up being IMHO.
Rocky4040
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A lot of what he is saying is spot on and there are many others saying it as well. You don't have to take their word for it though. All you have to do is look at the current work force out there. It's not just the young that are slackers or want to get paid for doing very little or want to stay at home and collect a wage. It's also happening with a lot of the older work force as well.
Now there is this movement for work less hours but get paid the same wage as if you worked a 40–44 hour work week but only actually worked 30-33 hours.
Now there is this movement for work less hours but get paid the same wage as if you worked a 40–44 hour work week but only actually worked 30-33 hours.
Ohnooze
Posts: 613 +1,185
I agree with you mostly. The particular job and how WFH is implemented does make a difference for sure.
Ohnooze
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Benioff overstretches and buys Slack for $27B:
"Work from home, work from anywhere! Our platform is enabling the future of work from anywhere. Our technology has never been more relevant"
One year later:
"Productive work can only be accomplished in an office".
Aside from Benioff's obvious flip flop around "working from anywhere", what does this mean for Salesforce's future prospects? Are we going to just sweep Slack under the rug?
"Work from home, work from anywhere! Our platform is enabling the future of work from anywhere. Our technology has never been more relevant"
One year later:
"Productive work can only be accomplished in an office".
Aside from Benioff's obvious flip flop around "working from anywhere", what does this mean for Salesforce's future prospects? Are we going to just sweep Slack under the rug?
Are you missing the point that he is biatching about workers productivity, but they appear to be productive enough for him to hit all of his growth targets which ensure his mammoth pay. He gets paid more when the business succeeds, but apparently that incentive doesn't trickle-down.
I looked it up and Saleforce does not have profit sharing for regular workers. They do 'let' them invest up to 15% of their salary into Salesforce shares. So the regular employees have no reason besides employment tomorrow to be more productive.
AxelAminoff
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Domestic workers need to come into the office.
Slack lets them hire more remote workers that live in cheap places that don't need big salaries.
Bullwinkle M
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