Samsung loses U.S. trial, owes Apple more than $1 billion in damages

By Julio Franco ยท 93 replies
Aug 25, 2012
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  1. Det

    Det TS Rookie Posts: 84

    Seriously. Couldn't stop shaking my head.

    She obviously has no idea what she's talking about.
  2. So what happens to Apple if Samsung decide to stop making the processor for the iPhone? Granted, Samsung just spent $4.2 BILLION on a new plant to make the chips but what if they decide to cripple Apple temporarily out of spite? There's no law that says they have to sell ANYTHING to Apple (or anyone else for that matter)
  3. Camikazi

    Camikazi TS Evangelist Posts: 925   +284

    A judge whose court is a few miles away from Apple's HQ and probably some money as well.
  4. Greg S

    Greg S TechSpot Staff Posts: 1,072   +428

    I live in the US (not sure if you do or not) and I agree that there are many problems with the government. I wouldn't say the whole government is terrible, but most of it is.

    Apple's hardware is horrible. Their A5 is worse than any of ARM's mobile chips, even some of the smartphone chips. Apple actually doesn't make anything themselves either. They out source all their manufacturing to Chinese companies. Have you ever seen an iFactory? No? Well there aren't any.
  5. madboyv1

    madboyv1 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,471   +375

    Or, Samsung could raise the wholesale prices of all those components, making Apple (and it's consumers) return all those spoils back over time? *shrug* Either way, between the appeals what will obviously come from this lawsuit, and the numerous gaggle of ongoing litigation (and their appeals after the fact), I'm not sure when, or truly IF Apple will get all that money from Samsung. At least in our lifetimes. XD
  6. in not-too-distant-future we will see the sequel of their clash (apple vs samsung).

    Samsung will sue Apple for copying Samsung's smart TV when Apple launched their new product so-called iTelevision :D
  7. Camikazi

    Camikazi TS Evangelist Posts: 925   +284

    I have a feeling that Apple will patent the shape of their iTV (rectangular case with black borders and slightly rounded edges) and sue Samsung and all other TV makers, of course this will be done in a court a few miles from Apple HQ :)
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  8. topcoach

    topcoach TS Enthusiast Posts: 45

    This ruling was about following patent laws.

    If the patent system is flawed, then that is another matter. When it comes to preventing patents for technology that should be considered obvious and be considered "free for all", then the patent system should be changed. The difficulty is that the definition of obvious is hard to make objective.
    Matric likes this.
  9. Matric

    Matric TS Rookie

    I think that patents require common sense to prevail, and the legal system is unfortunately nothing even remotely close to common sense.
  10. Scodd

    Scodd TS Booster Posts: 47   +7

    Just the beginning. Samsung will appeal. Plus the decision was for less then half of what Apple was asking for. I am getting bored with the smart phone thingies anyway. I need to finish my universal bio-port adapter.
  11. People can say they won't buy an android device, but manufacturers have to pay royalties to apple. Even if you dont buy an apple product you are still giving them money. Android, windows phone, blackberry, palm. Doesn't matter what smart phone you get, apple still gets a chunk of your cash.
  12. It's amazing how many people here don't have a clue of what actually went down in the court case but feel they deserve an opinion. Regardless of whether you are Apple-hating-zealot (you would be in the minority by the way), they practically created the "smart phone" sector as we know it and the patents garnered from this should be respected. Samsung was shown quite clearly in much of the case to not respect these patents and the law is taking its course.

    Apple-hating-zealots (who by the way are benefiting greatly from Apple's leadership in this technology sector) should blame the law if you feel it is wrong and not Apple. Apple is merely trying to protect its intellectual property like every other company (Samsung included) does.

    By the way, Apple hardware AND software is very easy to argue as the best. This has been shown in countless reviews and bears itself out in Apple's great success. Apple is the choice of most professionals in media . There OS is highly functional, easy to use, stable and virtually virus free relative to the others. The Mac hardware even runs the competitions' OS better than other hardware. Many still have no need for third-party anti-virus. Try and do that on Windows?!?!. And Apple support is still superior to most.

    Fine if you prefer other than Apple but to hate on them is just juvenile at best.
  13. Ranger1st

    Ranger1st TS Evangelist Posts: 348   +124

    To the simpletons who say " I'm glad apple won because now it will stimulate innovation.." . This won't period this will kill design, why? because just like allot of other devices there is a basic and core criteria that to deviate from is to make the item hugely expensive or to not be ergonomic in the least. there's a reason why minivans , pick-ups and compact cars all look almost the same... cost, ergonomics and in this case, aerodynamics, interior space and aesthetics all play a part.

    The human hand has a range of sizes, so for the most part you have to define your shape to fit as many of those hands , hence an averaged number used across the board by most companies, there's the dimensions issue understood and taken care of. You have X number of layers to make up a working smart phone, would be horrendously expensive so there's the thickness issue taken care of. Sharp edges on anything mean poor ergonomics, possible cuts and tears and stress points, hence round edges. the only thing that you really have any say over is external input and output ( buttons, speakers and jack points.), which is where Apple and Samsung differ.

    Unless there is a fundamental change in technology that does away with hand held, rigid screen I/O, this ruling is going to make any movement in design almost moot.
  14. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,270   +91

    This is good, actually.
  15. Sarcasm

    Sarcasm TS Guru Posts: 367   +46

    I have nothing smart, witty, or sarcastic to say. This is truly sad news.
  16. Apple is destroying the world one patent suit at a time. I watched this case from day one. I can say the judge was playing favorite to apple. It is also known she is a big supported of apple. Most of the jurors were also bought by apple. The judges objections also persuaded the jury to believe Samsung is in the wrong. The one point missed in this case was apple was asserting industry essentials patents against Samsung.

    Most patent suits hinder innovation no matter who is suing, not just this apple case.

    I will never buy an apple product as long as they keep ruining innovation.
  17. You're buying into the Samsung argument. This lawsuit was more than about "rectangles". It was about the look and feel of the OS---particularly the rubber band scrolling and swipes that Apple invented for their iOS. And then it came down to the icons that were used by Samsung for their phones. Granted some of the icons should be pretty standard, but c'mon using the same flower as the Photos Button---really???

    I'm glad it's over and now these companies will truly be forced to invent their own stuff. And innovate as they claim. I hate these lawsuits in the long run because the only ones benefiting are the lawyers.
  18. Now why does Apple reminds me of a miserable company like EA.....jeez I don't know
  19. It's as if they went out and selected the jury by picking people that don't know what a cell phone even is.
  20. "The Mac hardware even runs the competitions' OS better than other hardware."

    I had no idea Core i5's, i7's and nVIDIA graphics were considered Mac hardware.
    Darth Shiv and ReederOnTheRun like this.
  21. except Xerox had the original so they didnt copy Apple.
    Well since they didnt actully INVEST in the original idea, why couldnt they compete?
    Really? rounded icons, icons in a grid,square shaped phone with rounded corners ?
    [​IMG][​IMG](btw, if you cant tell, this phone predates the iphone)

    [​IMG][​IMG]btw, released 2003 4 years before the iphone.
    the rx1950 released 2005 had an onscreen keyboard.
    really? apple has more CASH(note: unspent untargeted cash, not assets, or turnover) then the GDP of 131 of the poorest countries
    ReederOnTheRun and DjKraid like this.
  22. Doctor John

    Doctor John TS Enthusiast Posts: 204   +15

    LOL It's got me puzzled too! :D
  23. DjKraid

    DjKraid TS Guru Posts: 551   +26

    ...also to add to that, the only thing that Apple actually has done is the operating system. But sadly not so many know about that :/

    Why god why? -Why are there so many apple fan-boys out there? -there should be much less of them! Personally I would love to see Apple fall...but I guess that that's not gonna happen :(
  24. When you make a false claim that GUI was copied from xerox or stolen you have to have the authors or inventors name? Who was the author of GUI? Don't seem to have that fact ha? For if you have that fact we would all realize that Jobs was on that team? So if I invent something while working at a company for peanuts is it me steeling from them when I quit and take what I invented with me? So you can keep your bs propaganda for your self.
  25. fimbles

    fimbles TS Evangelist Posts: 1,185   +208

    Goodbye innovation!

    Just like the good old days, if you cant beat them breed them out!

    Bring on the fake iphones!

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