Samsung loses U.S. trial, owes Apple more than $1 billion in damages

By Julio Franco ยท 93 replies
Aug 25, 2012
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  1. ReederOnTheRun

    ReederOnTheRun TS Booster Posts: 304   +62

    While some of what you said about Apple is true (well, used to be true at least), I just have one question for you. If Apple is so superior, why are they patenting everything to the point where the competition can't even improve on it. Before you say to "protect their unique ideas", just keep in mind that a small rectangular devices with big screens and round corners isn't unique to iphones. It is unique to the whole smartphone category. I understand you probably live, eat, and breathe apple products (You'd have to to be THIS biased), but I've talked to die-hard apple fans that follow this tech stuff closer than me and not one of them agree with what apple is doing. It's no mystery that apple has terrible ethics.

    And what would a company with no ethics do when the competition starts making better products? Apparently sue until they can't.
  2. To the guy who came up with all the smart phone pictures of the past. The icons on those things look exactly like the iphone so apple must have copied all off those. Also look up altair and star and see how crude those interfaces were. And watch apples version just years later and see how much they innovated and changed for better and usability and also how they design the icons so common intelligence can guess at the function of an icon without reading a book about it and just pick it up and use. You can hate apple but this is what they brought to the market so du mb a s s es like your self can use computers without reading a os bible for it. Read much lately?
  3. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,270   +91

    You guys have to do some reading. It's particularly sad when fanboys don't read about the case, and just be informed by glorified "tech" blogs and think they know what they're talking about.

    We are talking about federal jurors here. They did their job, and they did it right. If you had seen the exhibits of the case, plus the e-mails of Samsung executives where they literally discussed on which features to take from the iPhone and put onto their Galaxy devices, then you'd know. I don't agree with the amount of damages, simply because to me it seems like a lot, but Samsung did knowingly infringe on Apple. And I don't care so much for Samsung paying, but for other OEMs to truly innovate. This ruling, which will undoubtedly be appealed, means manufacturers will produce less but better devices; devices that truly look different.

    Won't really argue, just putting the information out there.
  4. ReederOnTheRun

    ReederOnTheRun TS Booster Posts: 304   +62

    You're probably right that Samsung knowingly infringed. Given the case as it was, the jury probably made the right decision. But what gets me is how the official procedure completely stomped out common sense. Anyone who reads about them can tell that apple's patents are a joke. Sure, eventually the other OEMs will probably come out with something way better than what apple has, and it'll be their turn to patent everything so that apple can't work on that. The point is though that we would get much more innovation if we could continue on the traditional route. Take something good and refine it, but unfortunately that'd be illegal now.
  5. danhodge

    danhodge TS Member Posts: 80   +13

    But they took the pieces of **** and made them good. It achieved the same thing, but in totally different ways.
    Your explanation is liking saying cars copy horses, because they transport you from A to B.

    Any improvement Samsung have made isn't very big, as the iPhone was a good product to begin with. Had they added some new, market changing features, then maybe they could have avoided this lawsuit by talking about what they have innovated.

    Other than a slight change to the design, this is a copy of years of hardwork from Apple, especially their designers, like Jony Ive.
  6. Vikas Garud

    Vikas Garud TS Rookie

    Thank God, Apple does not assemble cars by taking an engine from here and tyres from there and so on. Otherwise, at least in the US, car companies would be required to use, may be, triangular wheels, irregularly shaped seats and steam engines!
  7. only way to combat this is just boycott all apple products that's all​
  8. I'll boycott the purchase of a crApple device
  9. @ Guest
    "When you make a false claim that GUI was copied from xerox or stolen you have to have the authors or inventors name? Who was the author of GUI? Don't seem to have that fact ha? For if you have that fact we would all realize that Jobs was on that team? So if I invent something while working at a company for peanuts is it me steeling from them when I quit and take what I invented with me? So you can keep your bs propaganda for your self."

    Are you telling me Jobs was on the team that invented the GUI? What are you smoking? First the GUI was invented by a team at Stanford Research Institute, led by Douglas Engelbart. Then a more advanced version that uses graphics was developed at Xerox PARC by Alan Kay. Get your facts correct and don't start saying Jobs invented the GUI. What else does job invent? The telephone?

    In terms of inventing something while working at a company and then quitting, that's a bit more complicated. If you invented it at the company but have the patent under your name, then you can do whatever you want with even if you quit. A lot of times however it's not under your name so even if you quit, you don't really have the full freedom of using what you invented.
  10. @ danhodge
    It's true that they made "****" things better. However they did not INVENT those things. They just improve upon it. Just think about the slide to unlock feature. There are several companies that have made and used that in their products but APPLE is the one that say they invented the slice-to-unlock, patent it successfully, and then used it to sue other companies. Wonderful isn't it?
  11. Jibberish18

    Jibberish18 TS Evangelist Posts: 646   +89

    Could you imagine what the car industry would be like if they openly sued each other as often as tech companies do? There would be 10 new lawsuits every year.

    And you know what? Both of these companies have dirt on their hands but without going into detail, this lawsuit and the settlement were ridiculous and I think this will only make the tech world that much more complicated.
  12. Zoltan Head

    Zoltan Head TS Booster Posts: 247   +27

    Yes, it is (not necessarily fair, but true!). :)
  13. ReederOnTheRun

    ReederOnTheRun TS Booster Posts: 304   +62

    What, do you think Apple just one day released the iphone? no, they started out copying others with minor improvements and built on that. Innovation usually is only recognized after a big release, but its actually a much longer, less glorious process.
  14. Let's face it, Samsung did copy the Apple iPhone. Though it is also obvious that U.S. patent law needs to be overhauled. We need to restore the proper balance to give all involved a fair way to interact.
  15. Let's face it, Samsung didn't copy the Apple iPhone. That's my, equally valid, opinion, although it'll probably get taken down again by the pro-Apple police.
  16. dennis777

    dennis777 TS Enthusiast Posts: 285   +33

    "It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners"

    US freedom.... someone should have patent "copy & paste" before
  17. Apple sucks.that's for sure.
  18. Camikazi

    Camikazi TS Evangelist Posts: 925   +284

    I think Apple has a patent for copy and paste on mobile devices actually (totally serious).
  19. The real apple is the Beatles recording company.

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