My 4.5-year old GPU currently runs at about 125% of MSRP. The answer right now is, "a lot more than you would think, because supply is so much lower than demand."
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My 4.5-year old GPU currently runs at about 125% of MSRP. The answer right now is, "a lot more than you would think, because supply is so much lower than demand."
Avro Arrow
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"So, buying an ex-mining card on eBay might not be a bad idea if you're willing to put in the work. The only problem is finding one that isn't selling for way above the MSRP."
Avro Arrow
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Yeah, I'm starting to wonder what one of my R9 Furies would get me these days. I mean, one of them can play Godfall and Assassin's Creed: Odyssey so they're still kind of relevant if someone has something ancient like a GTX 780.
EDIT: Wow, they're listed on ebay.ca with the lowest price for a working one set at $531.37CAD! That's almost double what I paid for mine and mine are Sapphire Nitros (the best ones of the type) and this one for over $500 is an ASUS Strix! There is a Sapphire Nitro listed at almost $700CAD with shipping!
My mind is officially blown.
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I had a 7970 I used with full cover water block once. Moderately used, well cooled and not even overclocked. It quietly passed away right after it ran out of warranty. I think when you simply know a brand that over the years proved to be reliable and trouble free, it is all you need to know considering used graphic cards.
I had troubles with nvidia too. When I purchased a used gtx285 from ebay, I quickly realized that in my case it overheats and crashes. I almost burned it trying to figure out how far I can push it
That was also the time I stopped buying video cards used, at least not those known to be very hot in the series.
Overall reliability and knowledge base is the best way to calculate which product is worth used.
I would not hesitate to buy nvidia's 10xx card from a miner's rig. They are cool and reliable. I would be hesitant to buy other series and cards, especially if they are not cheap.
I had troubles with nvidia too. When I purchased a used gtx285 from ebay, I quickly realized that in my case it overheats and crashes. I almost burned it trying to figure out how far I can push it
That was also the time I stopped buying video cards used, at least not those known to be very hot in the series.
Overall reliability and knowledge base is the best way to calculate which product is worth used.
I would not hesitate to buy nvidia's 10xx card from a miner's rig. They are cool and reliable. I would be hesitant to buy other series and cards, especially if they are not cheap.
TheHughMan
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If people bought Teslas to power their mining rigs & homes or electronics while camping than driving, Elon would simply do what it takes to build and sell more Teslas. He definitely wouldn't give in to scalpers, miners, energy hogs or anything else.
Cycloid Torus
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That's neat.. 125% over MSRP says something about the buying public. My current CPU had a MSRP of $1,666 (2011) and I picked it up for $42 (2018) - Xeon x5680. It now sells for about $35.
I've been thinking about this pricing mess and what it means - are there really so many miners scrambling to buy multiples of a GPU with large memory? Could there be a group of middlemen punching prices up?
I would like a new GPU (last one I bought was 15% off MSRP for a 'just on the market' card (thanks NewEgg), but I will wait until the insanity is over.
Not completely true some electronic components can wear out over time. Electrolytic capacitors can dry out from heat over time and lose some capacitance value which can cause power supply issues. Some boards also use Tantalum type capacitors in the power supply, and these can fail in a bad way over time for example a short circuit.
NightAntilli
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Miners' profit depends on the efficiency of the card, meaning, they will generally run it at lower power targets and lower clocks. The wear of the GPU die is pretty much non-existent.
A better comparison would have been a card that was used for intense gaming for the same amount of months as the mining one, rather than a new one. It's quite possible that both of them exhibit the same or a very similar performance decline.
A better comparison would have been a card that was used for intense gaming for the same amount of months as the mining one, rather than a new one. It's quite possible that both of them exhibit the same or a very similar performance decline.
While it is true there are many factors for this I would agree it has more to do with thermal protection degradation than believing that electronics with no moving parts just start feeling old.
George Morley
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Mining does not affect GPUs. What it does is prove that the GPU works. If a GPU was going to go "pop", it would certainly do it when it was mining. If you are being sold a mining GPU, you've got a proven worker. Just paste it and pad it and off you go. Mining has never hurt any of my cards - RX470, RX480, Vega 56 or RX5700 XT.
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punctualturn
Yeah, I'm starting to wonder what one of my R9 Furies would get me these days. I mean, one of them can play Godfall and Assassin's Creed: Odyssey so they're still kind of relevant if someone has something ancient like a GTX 780.
EDIT: Wow, they're listed on ebay.ca with the lowest price for a working one set at $531.37CAD! That's almost double what I paid for mine and mine are Sapphire Nitros (the best ones of the type) and this one for over $500 is an ASUS Strix! There is a Sapphire Nitro listed at almost $700CAD with shipping!
My mind is officially blown.
You made me curious and I checked for a gtx970 (which I currently have) and lord, they are going for US$200!
Avro Arrow
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I wonder what it says about the buying public when they're willing to fork out over $500CAD (~$400USD) for an R9 Fury that came out almost six years ago. LMAO
Avro Arrow
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That sounds kinda low because the Fury's going for more than twice that. Maybe the HBM makes it more suitable for professional applications because the 275W TDP sure doesn't make it good for mining! LOL
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punctualturn
Bro, that card is so old that it should go for 20 bucks tops, not 200!
the card MSRP was 299, if I remember correctly and back then, we used to get discounts and coupons.
Mine came with a Batman game, so it was close to 200.
Amariami
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You're driven by price. most tech enthusiast max 5 years usage.
secondhand workstation desktop I don't think it's fair
Avro Arrow
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I agree but it was only two steps down from the R9 Fury which is selling on eBay for over $400USD. When I said that it sounded low, I was comparing it to what the R9 Fury was going for because the Fury's performance was between that of the GTX 980 and the GTX 980 Ti. The GTX 970 couldn't have been that far off.
What really puzzles me is... if someone is willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for even an old GTX 970, WTF are they using now that they want to upgrade from, an Intel HD 3000 or maybe an nVidia GT 710? I'm just really confused about this because I can't understand how cards this old could be in demand.
Fox God Records
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There was this judge that ruled that Valve had to do what Apple wanted. He based part of his decision on what "One commentator claimed..."
Apparently, one result is all that is required these days. Because... Extrapolation.
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punctualturn
Ah, I see, sorry I missed it.
Same here. Its crazy to see those prices.
Avro Arrow
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Yeah, who would have known that the outrageous prices of GPUs would filter down to what has to be considered low-end to low-mid-level in performance. There must be a lot of newbie gamers entering the market at the same time.
Cycloid Torus
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Actually, I'm driven by price/performance. I had minimum requirements (6 core, 12 thread, >3Ghz CPU, >8GB RAM, Win10 Pro O/S, >400 watt PSU). It took me a couple of days to figure out that I could beat that by looking at business PC's coming off lease (usually starting in year 3 and seeming to offer best performance for the price if they were a little more than 5 years old). See: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+X5680+@+3.33GHz&id=1312You're driven by price. most tech enthusiast max 5 years usage.
secondhand workstation desktop I don't think it's fair
Where I really got lucky was matching this with a GTX 1050 Ti which I bought from NewEgg during the announcement promotion. 4GB VRAM meant I could play Fallout 4 without glitching. I later learned that the system was really well balanced - no bottleneck greater than 4%.
Now I admit this is not enough for today's AAA games, but I don't play them. Far Cry 5, Fallout 4, Wasteland 2, Skyrim, STALKER, the older Metros - all play well so I am very satisfied.
My point was that the current explosion in GPU prices, including for the 2nd hand ones, may be what is 'not fair'. nVidia and AMD are pouring the cards out - and miners are gobbling them up - but that won't be forever.
So I will conclude by wishing you a RTX 2070 for $100 someday soon.
grumblguts
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they produce entertainment. they entertain themselves. that is worth wile use of power. just like taking a hot bath.
terzaerian
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It's self-gratification. You might as well argue that wanking has value to society.
If it doesn't then my life is wasted.
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