Singapore's first Tesla Model S owner hit with $11,000 fine for excessive emissions
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MrJinglenutz
Posts: 6 +5
That is a big chip on the old shoulder bud. I do not think anyone who has commented either feels high or mighty whether or not he/she owns an electric car. The first of the month is not too far off buddy so smile.
Cheers
I wholeheartedly believe that "sell back" of power by customers with solar panels or wind turbines should be allowed in order to encourage and offset cost of the purchase and maintenance of such equipment. However, holding the the TVA liable for damage from power surges caused by lightening strikes doesn't make sense to me. If they adhere to the proper standards, then they have fulfilled their responsibility in my mind. Why should they be responsible for anything that a customer plugs into the grid? Proper filters should be put in place by the end user to prevent such damage. Admittedly, I am no expert on this issue. Perhaps I'm missing something.
IAMTHESTIG
Posts: 1,868 +901
Good point... there are a lot of things to consider for both. It would be interesting to see a study which shows produces more CO2 but I'm sure it could get absolutely ridiculous trying to get a reasonable number. However one may be able to argue that motorists are already penalized for running an ICE powered vehicle, why shouldn't electrically powered vehicles also receive the same penalties. Energy has to come from somewhere.
A never ending argument no doubt.
wizardB
Posts: 286 +148
Being as the 15 largest ships produce more pollution then all the cars in the world maybe they should include this number in all their calculations. Because this fact doesn't help corporations the pollution that these ship emit has been left off the table at all international summits. If you are really worried about pollution levels in the world you need to buy things made locally that don't involve shipping and encourage your governments to put a pollution on any product shipped by sea.
This has nothing to do with intelligence. Singapore is simply another greedy government that tries to find new and creative ways to fleece their people.
This makes no sense at all. I presume that energy use is already taxed when one pays for their electricity. Taxing the car for energy used amounts to double taxation, which is extremely unfair.
As for electric cars being dirty, the argument makes sense at first glance. However, when you dig deeper it falls apart. Electricity can come from a variety of sources (I'm not sure about Singapore), some of which are essentially carbon free (wind, geothermal, solar, etc). Even electricity that comes from a dirty source (such as coal) is much better regulated and cleaner because the power plant is equipped to effectively clean the byproducts before release. This doesn't help in the case of CO2, but it definitely makes a difference in particulate matter which many cars (especially diesel) release.
As for electric cars being dirty, the argument makes sense at first glance. However, when you dig deeper it falls apart. Electricity can come from a variety of sources (I'm not sure about Singapore), some of which are essentially carbon free (wind, geothermal, solar, etc). Even electricity that comes from a dirty source (such as coal) is much better regulated and cleaner because the power plant is equipped to effectively clean the byproducts before release. This doesn't help in the case of CO2, but it definitely makes a difference in particulate matter which many cars (especially diesel) release.
The overall footprint from cradle to grave of an electric vehicle is far less than petrol-burning cars. You are spouting anti-environmentalist nonsense from 20 years ago. Get re-educated.
And, by the way, it's the utility/government's fault that electricity is dirty in Singapore, not Mr Nguyen's. If the only source of electricity in Singapore were "clean," then there would be no issue. Get to work, Singapore!
One does not need a car in Singapore. The MRT is one of the best mass-transits on the planet. Cars in Singapore are nothing more than a status symbol for rich people. I don't feel sorry that they get taxed so much to own one.
Forebode
Posts: 197 +45
I started reading the article and comments with the idea that it all makes sense. But it doesn't. Remove the car from the equation. You are penalizing the customer for how the electricity that goes to their house is produced. I would think the power companies are already being penalized for this and pass the cost to the customer in their bill.
So why the double penalty on how you are using the power you paid for? I'm not sure about you, but I only have 1 power company in my area.
So why the double penalty on how you are using the power you paid for? I'm not sure about you, but I only have 1 power company in my area.
Finally someone recognized that CLEAN electricity didn't appear as if by magic.
Either a carbon burning plant produced it or a (e gads) Nuke plant. And an engineering junior will tell you all about how much of that electricity is lost in the wires en route to charging said CLEAN car. Immensely inefficient waste of power. What I have YET to see commonly known is that electric cars catch fire 4-10 times more often then any other car. And what has NEVER been addressed is how much it costs in money and carcinogenic elemts to dispose of all those monstrous battery packs. One Tesla exceeds all the AAAs you will ever use in 10 lifetimes.
Eco people are VERY well intentioned completely lost tragedies. That you still don't get that is equally galling.
Either a carbon burning plant produced it or a (e gads) Nuke plant. And an engineering junior will tell you all about how much of that electricity is lost in the wires en route to charging said CLEAN car. Immensely inefficient waste of power. What I have YET to see commonly known is that electric cars catch fire 4-10 times more often then any other car. And what has NEVER been addressed is how much it costs in money and carcinogenic elemts to dispose of all those monstrous battery packs. One Tesla exceeds all the AAAs you will ever use in 10 lifetimes.
Eco people are VERY well intentioned completely lost tragedies. That you still don't get that is equally galling.
I've been to Singapore many times and would LOVE to live there. I honestly don't know a single person who has been there who didn't want to live there. The food is incredible, crime is low, they have some of the best healthcare in the world and an incredible entertainment and live music scene.
You forgot the following statistics:
Murder Rate Singapore: .2
Murder Rate USA: 3.8
Can a 19 year old drink a beer in Singapore: Yes
Can a 19 year old drink a beer in the USA: No
Is prostitution legal in Singapore: Yes
Is prostitution legal in USA: In some counties of Nevada
Incarceration rate in USA: 700
Incarceration rate in Singapore: 220
Many American states are spending more on prions than education now
PISA test Singapore: Math: 2nd in the world, Science: 3, Reading: 3
PISA test USA: Math: 36th (out of 65), Science: 28, Reading: 24
And... they arrested a guy in my state for being naked in his house when kids on a schoolbus told the driver they could see a naked guy in a house.
The gum ban was because after they spent billions on a state of the art subway it was being routinely delayed by stuck gum. You do not need a doctors note to buy gum in Singapore, you can walk into any pharmacy and buy some Orbit, you just need to sign a log saying you purchased it.
You forgot the following statistics:
Murder Rate Singapore: .2
Murder Rate USA: 3.8
Can a 19 year old drink a beer in Singapore: Yes
Can a 19 year old drink a beer in the USA: No
Is prostitution legal in Singapore: Yes
Is prostitution legal in USA: In some counties of Nevada
Incarceration rate in USA: 700
Incarceration rate in Singapore: 220
Many American states are spending more on prions than education now
PISA test Singapore: Math: 2nd in the world, Science: 3, Reading: 3
PISA test USA: Math: 36th (out of 65), Science: 28, Reading: 24
And... they arrested a guy in my state for being naked in his house when kids on a schoolbus told the driver they could see a naked guy in a house.
The gum ban was because after they spent billions on a state of the art subway it was being routinely delayed by stuck gum. You do not need a doctors note to buy gum in Singapore, you can walk into any pharmacy and buy some Orbit, you just need to sign a log saying you purchased it.
Singapore is a strange country, to say the least. I know, my sister lives there with her family.
Why not beat them at their own game and take the $15,000 S dollars (just under $11,000 U.S) and build a solar charging station for the vehicle. Therefore, he can charge his car and save on home electricity. win/win. My two cents.
To drive any car in Singapore, you have to buy a registration or permit that is quite expensive. More often than not, more than the value of the vehicle. Sometimes more than twice the car value.
Why not beat them at their own game and take the $15,000 S dollars (just under $11,000 U.S) and build a solar charging station for the vehicle. Therefore, he can charge his car and save on home electricity. win/win. My two cents.
To drive any car in Singapore, you have to buy a registration or permit that is quite expensive. More often than not, more than the value of the vehicle. Sometimes more than twice the car value.
Technician
Posts: 677 +115
Exactly, that's what I have done, I did it at my mountain property first because it is off the grid, but it was so nice I added it to my other residence as well.
Technician
Posts: 677 +115
Legal prostitution is a plus in your eyes? hmmm, makes me wonder. There are places in the US with lower crime and murder rates that Singapore FYI. I choose to live in the US for a lot of reasons, and a jury trial is just one.
Wondering if this was tested by an electrician?
F
Fabian
This is STUPID! It is a double standard...
Why not take into account the pollution of extracting crude oil, transport it to a refinery, transform it to a gas station???
For petrol cars we only consider the burning of its fuel as pollution, now we must find something to make the best electric car undesirable as it started to become affordable and viable?
We say that producing batteries and recycling them is creating pollution, how about making a petrol engine, a transmission and all the oil we put into them during the life cycle of a car???
I'm socked by the amount of comments against the electric cars! Is this just envy? Don't we all want to walk on side-walks and don't breath the smog? We got cites closing down last year! We are able to produce more clean electricity now... How about a pollution tax for your home!?
Why not take into account the pollution of extracting crude oil, transport it to a refinery, transform it to a gas station???
For petrol cars we only consider the burning of its fuel as pollution, now we must find something to make the best electric car undesirable as it started to become affordable and viable?
We say that producing batteries and recycling them is creating pollution, how about making a petrol engine, a transmission and all the oil we put into them during the life cycle of a car???
I'm socked by the amount of comments against the electric cars! Is this just envy? Don't we all want to walk on side-walks and don't breath the smog? We got cites closing down last year! We are able to produce more clean electricity now... How about a pollution tax for your home!?
