Snowden says 'Not all spying is bad,' out-dated laws keep him in exile

I would never be so sure of myself as to make a decision that might affect the entire country. Would you?
They are not effects, they are counter effects to a government misusing its power. By your reasoning, no one would be able to fight for what they believe in, unless it was first approved by the government. You may not be so sure of yourself, but apparently Obama is. Snowden's goal was to bring evidence to our attention, not control our thoughts or bring harm to any of us.

And yes I would, if I felt everyone needed to know.
 
I'm sure that mole on Snowden's neck keeps getting bigger and more cancerous. Oh wait, it's his head.
 
I'm sure that mole on Snowden's neck keeps getting bigger and more cancerous. Oh wait, it's his head.
I guess since there is no consensus to be reached about the right or wrong of Snowden's actions to be reached, juvenile insults do seem to be a logical recourse. (Well, I was being polite with that approach). What I really meant to say was, "that's really what this thread needed, some idi0t (*) posting as a guest to come in and act like a petulant 12 year old, without any worthwhile input, or for that matter, a discernible sense of humor".

Moving on, this whole affair seems to have Mr. Snowden wrongly convinced he's an international celebrity, a self proclaimed conquering hero. And it is getting tedious. I don't think anything comes out of his mouth, that isn't predicated on his changing circumstances, (predicament might be a more appropriate term), and patently transparent, self serving ulterior motivations.

(*) Now look what you've done, Ive resorted to name calling too....:D
 
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I'm sure he knows full well his time in Russia is coming to a close and he needs to keep people talking about the issues, if he is to have any hope of getting to another country afterwards, rather than ending up in an NSA-approved hole in the ground for the rest of his life.
 
You want to know why they didn't want us to know? It's because a) they knew we'd have reacted this way, and b) it gives away their strategies so the bad guys can avoid them. Now, the bad guys avoid them anyway, so that's not very relevant.

The govt will lie to us because they think we're too dumb to decide for ourselves what's good for us. This is why Obama lied about 'You like your plan, you can keep it. Period.' Back when Clinton tried healthcare reform they knew the only way to pay for it was to force people off their current plans and they made that known. Those reforms died in the drawing room because they knew it would never pass. This time around they knew enough to lie about keeping your plan in order to get it passed. Better to beg for forgiveness after all....

So in the case of heathcare and spying we are mad at the govt for deciding for us what's good for us. But Snowden is doing the same thing. He is also deciding what's good for us without asking us first. That's why I think they're both in the wrong.
Mike,
Stop defending NSA and US governments tactics. these are not changed since WWI. Today secret data mining and spying programs no difference than Lenin's 1917 Bolsheviks.
When you mention Obama lied about and Clinton (I am assuming you are the one agent work for the government and here to manipulate public opinion ) I remember Bush lied all world with false intelligence WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION have gone Iraq be involved to killed1.5 million innocent people and over 5000 of our servicemen. What happened to CIA director?
We learned our government warrior of the freedom, human rights, personal liberties did tortured and killed people in Abu Ghraib prison. we learned under go pills us pilots killed 11 Iraq civilians and who helped to us know these crimes we put Bradley Manning to next 30 years to prison Wikileaks Julian Assange is living in consulate prison almost a year.
At this point this track record is not giving me completely confidence and trust because I know right now they are processing my IP address.
please get real
 
"I appreciate that, "history ignored is destined to repeat itself". However, people could simply shut their yaps once in a while, and post less of their personal problems, political beliefs, and manifestos on "Facebook".

if only that was the only information the NSA has. But as far as social networking alone goes you have a point.

"All things being considered, a lot of the surveillance being done is pointless, as well as yielding worthless results. At some point, the outrage should shift to amount of tax dollars being wasted on it."

Actually, many of these NSA programs ran right through the recession. Even increased if I'm not mistaken.

"And with that said, you can't determine which information is wasted tax dollars, until you gather it. Now there's the real conundrum."

If it's something most people become aware of and oppose, it's probably wasted tax dollars. To have ONE entity have all that information, ONE entity to have all that knowledge, ONE ring to rule them.... sorry. But seriously there's no reason the NSA should NEED all this information. It's too much of a temptation especially for someone who might know how to take it without asking like snowden, but worse. Seeing as this isn't technically illegal yet you have to admit it would be hard to get public attention on the matter when you'll just get tried and labeled as a traitor instead. Especially when the government hides this from the public in the first place. We shouldn't need a controversial person like Snowden to expose something like this anyways....

There's no reason the government should have this level of information on so much. It can easily become more of a liability than anything and snowden is proving that.

I sure hope the NSA is better protected in cyber world than the FBI.
 
if only that was the only information the NSA has. But as far as social networking alone goes you have a point.
It is not the data that they have collected, they don't want getting out. It is the immoral methods they use to collect data, they don't want getting out. They don't want us to know how sick, they have become.

People stand behind legality, with disregard for morality, which returns personal prosperity, all made possible by the masses lack of equality. It is a problem that has always been and always will be, because the guy at the top wants to set themselves apart from the rest. And as much as no one wants to admit, it is also that way at the bottom.
 
"It is not the data that they have collected, they don't want getting out. It is the immoral methods they use to collect data, they don't want getting out. They don't want us to know how sick, they have become."

I agree and disagree. I think most people are upset because nearly, if not all, their data is going to one place. For example, it's well known cell phone companies as well as online companies such as apple and google track certain information and sell it to advertisers (or used to). However, it was cell phone companies tracking cell phone data. Google selling overall statistical data over mainly their searches. Specific companies tracking specific data for their own specific purposes.

Now take what google does with websites, take out websites, and add people. But instead of a cache you have your own entire internet story written out (hopefully not in plain text!). But without all the (at least public) mass marketing behind so much data. Now all the NSA needs is a savvy hacker willing to take some risk to take whatever he/she pleases. It couldn't be better. All that info in one convenient place....
If only I knew how to hack.

"It is not the data that they have collected, they don't want getting out."
The problem is that there is already a risk. Snowden has proven that.
 
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