Some "Random Snapshots", (Sort Of)

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@yRaz These are the pics I spoke of in my PM. They're from Heinz Wildlife Refuge.Center. They didn't think they were good enough for display at the visitor center. On one hand, it saved me maybe 50 bucks not having to have them printed. However, it left me desperately seeking approval for my efforts.
Tell me what you think.
1: Having Your Ducks in a Row: (Tamron 100 to 400 @ 125 mm)
2: Seeing Eye to Eye (Tamron 100 to 400 @400 mm)
3: Watchful Sky (Ya gotta look Close (Sigma 8-16 mm 10 mm-ish))
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Mods, If I could have included these in a PM, I would have. Give them a chance. Who knows, you might even enjoy them. Thanks in advance.
 
@yRaz These are the pics I spoke of in my PM. They're from Heinz Wildlife Refuge.Center. They didn't think they were good enough for display at the visitor center. On one hand, it saved me maybe 50 bucks not having to have them printed. However, it left me desperately seeking approval for my efforts.
Tell me what you think.
1: Having Your Ducks in a Row: (Tamron 100 to 400 @ 125 mm)
2: Seeing Eye to Eye (Tamron 100 to 400 @400 mm)
3: Watchful Sky (Ya gotta look Close (Sigma 8-16 mm 10 mm-ish))
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Mods, If I could have included these in a PM, I would have. Give them a chance. Who knows, you might even enjoy them. Thanks in advance.
I saw the ducks right as I first woke up and thought it was a giant crab. I do like #2 very much
 
Dude....er Sorry, I meant Prince, it's not often you get the whole duck family on the same "crab", with all the duckling's faces lined up in exactly the same direction, and all in the plane of focus. The pic does seem to want to display best at somewhere around 16" x 20". That version is massively down scaled and heavily Jpeg-ed. I guess the devil (here) is in the (lack of) details.

#2 A Barn Swallow. (actually two)

Number 3's the sleeper though. Maybe I should have named it "Skeletor's Ghost in the Clouds".

Apple did a interesting take on that, relying on the relationship of color to mood, while trying to sell iPhones over DSLRs. They took an indoor shot under warm lighting with their iPhone, and then compared it with a shot from a DSLR taken of a drab gray warehouse, on a deserted street, under an overcast sky, and then glibly asked. "which photo is better"?

"Rexulti" was another advertiser that used color associations with emotions. A lady in her gray drab shrink's office, is complaining about depression. As soon as she got her prescription, she walked out into the bright sunlight, where yellows and reds were in abundance. She threw down her smiley face cutout on a stick**, and began to smile and glow in earnest. Rexulti saved the day, her depression was a thing of the past. I found the manipulation of implied mood through typical emotional response to color disgusting and disingenuous. But hey, when ya gotta sell those 2K a month drugs, and you only have 20 seconds to do it, big pharma's gotta do do what big pharma's gotta do. Especially when "Abillfy's" patent ran out. you change one molecule. call it "Rexulti". then refile claiming it's "better".

** Which was intended to convey the message that the poor thing had to "mask her depression".
 
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Dude....er Sorry, I meant Prince, it's not often you get the whole duck family on the same "crab", with all the duckling's faces lined up in exactly the same direction, and all in the plane of focus. The pic does seem to want to display best at somewhere around 16" x 20". That version is massively down scaled and heavily Jpeg-ed. I guess the devil (here) is in the (lack of) details.

#2 A Barn Swallow. (actually two)

Number 3's the sleeper though. Maybe I should have named it "Skeletor's Ghost in the Clouds".

Apple did a interesting take on that, relying on the relationship of color to mood, while trying to sell iPhones over DSLRs. They took an indoor shot under warm lighting with their iPhone, and then compared it with a shot from a DSLR taken of a drab gray warehouse, on a deserted street, under an overcast sky, and then glibly asked. "which photo is better"?

"Rexulti" was another advertiser that used color associations with emotions. A lady in her gray drab shrink's office, is complaining about depression. As soon as she got her prescription, she walked out into the bright sunlight, where yellows and reds were in abundance. She threw down her smiley face cutout on a stick**, and began to smile and glow in earnest. Rexulti saved the day, her depression was a thing of the past. I found the manipulation of implied mood through typical emotional response to color disgusting and disingenuous. But hey, when ya gotta sell those 2K a month drugs, and you only have 20 seconds to do it, big pharma's gotta do do what big pharma's gotta do. Especially when "Abillfy's" patent ran out. you change one molecule. call it "Rexulti". then refile claiming it's "better".

** Which was intended to convey the message that the poor thing had to "mask her depression".
I've been doing a lot of shooting on my 70-200 recently, but the vignetting is getting unreasonable. They were both kit lenses, and I GUESS I knew what I was getting into when I bought all the stuff 12 years ago. The 16-50 is my goto, but it's really soft. I do planning on staying withing the sony mirrorless ecosystem in the future. I'm more willing to by a good lens for my a6000 than I am to buy a new camera body to use with a **** lens.

the 16-50 is really soft and the fstop is too damn high, I need an f1.8 in the 25-35 range.

and I'm trying to upload a picture I took a few days ago, but I keep an error saying that it's too big to upload. What IS the upload limit? I started just shooing in all JPEG because of my crappy lenses and even that's too large....
 
cheers, that's about as sharp as my 16-50 gets. I shot that at 23mm
Well, you picked the flattest daylight you could possibly find, shot with a lens that doesn't have a lot of native contrast, didn't post process it, (at least not to any reasonable degree), WTF did you think would happen? I'm judging the upload res at about 1/4 full, is that right?

So, I can read every number on the bus stop sign. The right side is soft. But then again, you're shooting sideways through a snow storm, which doesn't help. FWIW, RAW doesn't look as good as Jpeg straight out of the camera But, Jpegs decompress and re-compress every time you open them for editing. So best to do your editing from either RAW, or PSD, then wait until you're satisfied, and Jpeg them at the lowest compression possible (1:4 or 10+) for, storage, presentation, or printing..

FWIW, make sharpening the last step in you post work, don't get carried away with it, and don't be afraid to do additional work on selected areas

In any event, the scene you shot makes a good case for adding a burst take after the single shot capture. Stop down to about f8.0, turn the VR on, use the electronic shutter, (no mirror shock), and hold the button down for a half second.

If you're importing from RAW, you can pretty much correct everything on the way in, up to and including the color temperature.

Our cameras are sort of "twins", The D-7200 having a Sony 24 MP sensor. Some argue that the Nikon sensor is slightly better, as it's Sony, but built, or rather "grown", to Nikon's specs. I have no idea or opinion about that.

As to how large a file you can upload to TS, I came up with < 1 Mp.

Well, brace yourself here's the new Sony G-Master II 70 -200 f2.8 https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Full-Frame-Constant-Aperture-telephoto-SEL70200GM2/dp/B09JCMLP46?th=1

Since it would be on an APS-C camera, you'd get 105 to 300 mm. Which makes them a bit too long for portraitsYou have to decide what focal length is the majority of your work is going to occur. I actually liked my 80 to 200 best on full frame or 35 mm film. YMMV With APS-C, they're a twitch too long for portraits, and a bit too short for wildlife. OTOH, you do get a 300 mm f2'8, which is something I've always wanted, but could never afford.

Make fun of my "crab" all you want, but that Tamron 100 to 400 is the sweet spot in their tele zoom line. (It is sloooow though f4.5 to f6.3). n a 27" or 32" monitor, you can count every rib in every feather on those duckling's a**es.

If you enjoy "dry shopping", as much as I do, go to town:
 
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And BTW all lenses vignette. Some worse than others. So, "f8.0 and be there", is the way to deal with it most of the time.
You can either have bright corners, or suffer a bit of high ISO noise. But you, "can't have your cake and eat it too".

Although those, "pro" 70 to 200 f2.8 zooms are only down about a stop in the corners, and it's pretty much gone by f4.0. So you can shoot with them wide open all day long. Lightroom has lens corrections built in, so that one click takes the problem away.

In portrait work that bit off falloff helps rather than hurts, If it weren't there, you'd be burning in the edges a bit, to draw attention to the face.
 
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And BTW all lenses vignette. Some worse than others. So, "f8.0 and be there", is the way to deal with it most of the time.
You can either have bright corners, or suffer a bit of high ISO noise. But you, "can't have your cake and eat it too".

Although those, "pro" 70 to 200 f2.8 zooms are only down about a stop in the corners, and it's pretty much gone by f4.0. So you can shoot with them wide open all day long. Lightroom has lens corrections built in, so that one click takes the problem away.

In portrait work that bit off falloff helps rather than hurts, If it weren't there, you'd be burning in the edges a bit, to draw attention to the face.
hey, you can insult my art all you want, but don't insult my cake! But if there is anything I learned in the dark room when I very much wasn't learning anything, it's that I don't know anything. maybe something about cheese cake or lemon meringue pie
 
hey, you can insult my art all you want, but don't insult my cake! But if there is anything I learned in the dark room when I very much wasn't learning anything, it's that I don't know anything. maybe something about cheese cake or lemon meringue pie
But did you learn anything from, or find anything useful in post #6, that I spent over two hours on? I mean, I absolutely do like to hear myself talk, but I do have limits.

This one's for you..(y) (Y)

And this one's for your cake (y) (Y)

When you're done watching "American Pie" get back to me.
 
But did you learn anything from, or find anything useful in post #6, that I spent over two hours on? I mean, I absolutely do like to hear myself talk, but I do have limits.

This one's for you..(y) (Y)

And this one's for your cake (y) (Y)

When you're done watching "American Pie" get back to me.
I miss my cake....
 
But did you learn anything from, or find anything useful in post #6, that I spent over two hours on? I mean, I absolutely do like to hear myself talk, but I do have limits.

This one's for you..(y) (Y)

And this one's for your cake (y) (Y)

When you're done watching "American Pie" get back to me.
So as someone who decided to break his "dry january" goal last night, I can promise you that I need more cake. That said, I do take what you say about photography seriously and I try to apply what you say to the pictures I take. While I'm not a great photographer, I do think I'm reaching the limits of my lense specifically. My 16-50 is very soft and my 70-200 has an offensive amount of vignetteing. It's very sharp, but I have to crop 30-40% of the picture to get something worth sharing. Mostly, I just use it for fun. And, frankly, I don't think I'll go beyond "hobby" with photography.

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Also, now that I'm "sober" that photo was full res with zero post processing. Shot at iso 100@ 1/40 shutter speed f5.8. Also, it's being snowing cats and d!cks in Pittsburgh the last 2 weeks, I thought that was kinda interesting and captured the mood.
 
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Atleast this was fun. It's actually 3 images @ 16mm on my APS-c whatever. aside from stiching, no post at all on this. I'm actually trying to focus more on taking a good picture than my photoshop skillshttps://ibb.co/7CmT82f
 
@yRaz OK, I never insulted your art_full stop

What is obvious is that we have entirely different directions-choices-interests, in subject matter. "Urban landscape" is cool. It's as valid as any other genre of subject matter.

I couldn't get your night shot to display at "full res". Maybe I didn't try hard enough. It topped out around 2,000 pixels (I'm behind a a vertical 1080p monitor). As I said earlier, our cameras are, in some ways "twins", which puts full resolution @ 6000 x 4000.

Standard kit lenses are decent. Yes, they're slow, and in the case of Nikon, they have garbage plastic lens mounts. I use my (2) 18 to 55s as body caps, along with a 50 mm f1.8 "screwdriver"

I'd rather be thought of as a good to great amateur, hobbyist if you will, than a "pro" wedding photographer. I hate the entire concept of weddings. They're just money wasting artificial ceremonial excuses to make her feel important, which carry over, more often than not, into ugly divorces.

In fact, half the a**holes that fancy themselves as "pro wedding shooters", are delusional and incompetent. My (now estranged 56 YO), "kid", had to have a "pro", (no doubt by her demand),. Which is just as well, since I don't remember the "obligatory" shot sequence. I did get him to admit that my shot of them arriving at the church and getting out of the car was the best. Well, I hightailed it after the ceremony. After which, their "pro", managed to shot almost the entire reception with the back wall in sharp focus, but none of the people. I pointed it out, he didn't seem to want to hear it.

Later (?), I made a trip back to Community to borrow the color printer. I was in the darkroom with a young student who had apparently talked a friend into letting her shoot their wedding. She was banging out her prints at an astounding rate. I was left insecure and humbled, with only one or two completed. As it turned out, color correction wasn't her strongest suit, and the entire mess was about .50 too cyan.(Basically, no recognizable skin tones) If, (in the impossible scenario), that it was my wedding, I would have strangled her. Many? some? people approach "professional photography", seemingly ignoring their actual abilities. Photographing people opening Christmas presents boors me to tears. So do most people in general, but that's a topic for another time.

Moving on to post processing, you have to realize that what you see, isn't, and never will be, what your camera sees. I'm far from a Photoshop "expert". I've used the watered down "Photoshop Elements" for two decades. In the case of your downtown snow scene, I imagine seeing what I would have seen, had I been there. The composition is fine. However, I think I would have seen a bit more C-sat, contrast, and sharpness, particularly front and center around the street bus route sign, and a touch of post is the only way to recover it.

Modern life, progress, old age, and a somewhat impatient prostate, have taken a lot of fun out of the subjects I enjoy most in photography. No more, "holding it", for a hundred mile motorcycle ride to Wildwood NJ to shoot the people and the amusements.

Willow Grove NAS is now, I think, an apartment complex. The main runway ran right in front of the grandstand. There was nothing as awe inspiring as watching the "Blue Angels" blast off, all 10 engines in zone 4 afterburner, from a couple of hundred feet away. The shows at McGuire AFB have been cancelled, pandemic, budget, blah, blah. Even the AC airshow didn't happen this year. Old age is what it is. you retreat further into your home, accomplish much less, and take much longer to accomplish even that.

I like action, ice skating shows were a big draw. (Yes, I'm straight, I took my pee pees when the men's singles did their thing). The ticket prices are now sky high, and you can't get in with a decent camera, it would get confiscated at the door. I devised a plan though, by way of the bar, Body under my shirt, 80 to 200 down my pants, film in my pockets, lens hood around my wrist. Going into the bar first, bypassed the doormen. Ringling Bros. were the absolute worst. you couldn't get in with a camera, but they'd sell you a 10 shot useless throwaway for 10 bucks or so.

Moving back to vignetting, you make a fuzzy oval selection, center frame, "invert selection", make a new layer, and work up the brightness to match the layer below it. Yeah, it's a PitA, but so is paying $2800 for a new G-Master II 70 to 200. And.....you can recover a stop or so without it becoming too readily apparent.

In any case, I've turned on my flicker lamps, have probably said too much, should start on my Saturday night load, fire up some music from the distant past, and off load my capture cards, (I've become somewhat negligent about that), I'll wait til later to fire up the Lava lamps.
(They're hard to come by these days, don't wanna wear them out.)

Happy Saturday night, and Cheers...!
 
@captaincranky There are certainly things that post can improve on. My problem is that I'm actually trying to learn how to take a good picture, first. So it feels a little disingenuous to do lots of stuff in post. my camera has a "character" and I have to work around that. I started using the light meter on it like I was shooting on film because I like the working around the limitations it sets on me. Going back to the dark room in college, you had to be able to actually take a good picture for you to be able to get anything work "projecting" on the paper

anyway, enjoy your Sunday. I'll be in Philly for a few days in April of 2026 if you want to grab a sandwich at a strip club or just insult my equipment. I'm referring to my camera, for further clarification
 
@yRaz OK, it's 12:30 PM which is 4 hours past my "normal" bed time, so this is going to be a "quickie". (Just following up on your double entendre). So I'll be "brief"

Everybody's camera, for better or worse has. "a character".
The standard short zoom kit lenses are way better than their prices might lead you to believe. They are a tad slow,(good optical glass is expensive), but they make so many, the prices are indicative of what "economy of scale", can do for price. Not only that, they're a "loss leader" item. The object is to get you hooked on a particular system, then lower the pricing boom when you want to "upgrade". It's the "super zooms", 18 to 200 or 300, that are really rough around the edges. And do get the idea of "primes out of your head. I honest believe you;d be bored to death with the one, "or more" you'd need to replace a good one of today's excellent zooms. Besides, changing lenses out on the street is a massive PitA, and is probably the chief reason for missed shots.

IDK if Sony left the anti-aliasing filter in your camera. If they did, those filters do add a touch of softening. The pictures you've shown are already "good pictures".

I realize that you have to work for a living, which makes spare time a valuable commodity. There's no getting around that, The fed leaves my check, "on the dresser", so to speak.

IDK how to be gentle with this but, it's not the lens, it's you. As I said, you already take good pictures. And no, it's nowhere near "disingenuous", to tweak the output to make good, great.

By your leave, and if I manage to summon up the ambition, I'll download your snow scene and see what I can do to take it from "good" to "great", through a minimum of post work.

Remember, no "job is finished til after you wipe".

That "2026" wasn't a typo was it? Well, (I am 76), assuming I'm still around, and you still feel like dealing with a crazy, eccentric, unkempt, "grandfather figure", a good old Philly cheese steak sounds like as good a plan as any.

We'll talk later... Cheers (y) (Y)
 
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I'm stuck in Pittsburgh until August and I'll probably stay here until I get sent over to philly. Thanks for humoring me
 
Well, tell me what you "thimk"

OK, the site seems to have a mind of its own, as to how it decides the image should look in a post. You have to open the images in a tab of their own, and they'll display correctly.

1: "Push" red channel + sharpen, bright & contrast
2: Original, no post
3: Push blue channel a bit + sharpen.

Don't expect miracles. I had to snip them to 2000 x 1333 to keep them under 1 MP

Which is best? That's entirely up to you. The original is the most snowstorm dismal. (Not a bad thing at all.) "Push red", is happy downtown with snow on the ground. Push blue emphasizes the overcast light.

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@yRaz These are the pics I spoke of in my PM. They're from Heinz Wildlife Refuge.Center. They didn't think they were good enough for display at the visitor center. On one hand, it saved me maybe 50 bucks not having to have them printed. However, it left me desperately seeking approval for my efforts.
Tell me what you think.
1: Having Your Ducks in a Row: (Tamron 100 to 400 @ 125 mm)
2: Seeing Eye to Eye (Tamron 100 to 400 @400 mm)
3: Watchful Sky (Ya gotta look Close (Sigma 8-16 mm 10 mm-ish))
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Mods, If I could have included these in a PM, I would have. Give them a chance. Who knows, you might even enjoy them. Thanks in advance.
Nice pics

captaincranky

 
Hey Captain!

Excellent shots, I think first one is pretty cool, as one doesn't find a family of ducks & couple of turtles getting some sunlight together, everyday. Second one is very good as well.
 
Hey Captain!

Excellent shots, I think first one is pretty cool, as one doesn't find a family of ducks & couple of turtles getting some sunlight together, everyday. Second one is very good as well.
Thanks..! (y) (Y) As for the ducklings, agreed. It's even much less likely to find all five, posed with their heads pointed in the same direction it's almost a studio, "family group photo".

One thing I don't get, (and it's likely my prejudice), why people don't seem to like, get, or mention, the third shot. The "face in the sky" cloud formation appeared and disappeared in less than 5 minutes. Yeah I Know, it looks like one of a jillion other, "sunset shots", but it's not.

But then again, I've read interviews with bands and musicians who've said, "xxxxx" is their "best song" or, "favorite track" on an album. It's usually the one I leave off of the backup or "mix tape" I burn.
 
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