Sony PlayStation 5 Pro is now official at $700, launching November 7

[Subset6]

The momentum is already out for this gen. Who is going to fork over almost 1K for a system for games they already have played. That's what Sony is asking of folks. Sure, you get a little more fidelity at 60fps but that's not something you can sell on. Fact is the ps5 was and is a very capable system early in its cycle with a great lineup of first title games that all ran and looked fine at 60fps.

Fast forward to today and that first party lineup is done and over, most have even moved to the PC platform where you can already do this. I have to really question the logic of the Sony marketing machine here as to the real value for the base ps5 consumer because I just don't see it.

 

[ZedRM]

So $50 increase from the non pro version? That doesn't even cover the cost of the 1TB to 2TB internal SSD upgrade. Lets try and be reasonable.

Honestly, if $700 had included the disk drive, I wouldn't have been offended by the PS5 Pro. Hardware costs to bump up the specs are out of Sony's control. The disc drive being removed is a scam though.

You might be missing something. What do you think that might be? Could it be the fact the manufacturing costs have come down? Or maybe it's the fact that Sony makes MOST of their money from the software, not the hardware.

 

[redgarl]

It won't solve the fidelity performance issue. Just like the PS4 pro, you'll be stuck with slightly prettier graphics, if the devs bother to optimize at all, and sub 30 fps averages anyway.

Only way around that is to go to PC.

Did you try it for saying that?

Ah yeah...

 

[redgarl]

Matter of fact is the PS5 Pro is sharing similar performance to a 4070 SUPER for about the same price.

Not to mention coming with a 2TB SSD.

People complaining about the price are delusional, and the ones claiming you can build a gaming PC better than the PS5 Pro for less are deliberately lying.

 

[redgarl]

Toss as much GPU power as you want, but if you really want to boost FPS more CPU power is key. Zen 2 was not really the best for gaming performance, Zen 3 was a massive improvement when it came to game performance, and the 3D Cache Zen chips made it even better.

Honestly see no reason why we couldn't have gotten something close to a 5700X3D. We will continue to see games struggle to keep 60fps, as that really was never a GPU issue. Only GPU we had was ray traced performance. And I have yet to turn ray tracing on to been blown away from the result.

I like to waste money, so I will no doubt still buy one. Along with a Disc drive and a 4TB SSD to go along with it.

You are in GPU bottleneck at 1440p and above...

**FACEPALM**

 

[redgarl]

It's true for reference Techpost's article from this week's PC building guide has the 2 PCs within the range of the PS5 pro.
These builds can be tweaked to am4 and cheaper cpu. ( Sony is using Zen2 here)
Even a 5600x would be superior cpu. The cost saving on the cpu can be applied to the gpu like the 7800xt selling for $469.99.
So before Black Friday the buid will be significantly more expensive. On Black Friday naturally last generation hardware is significantly cheaper.



ComponentProduct Price
ProcessorAMD Ryzen 5 8600G $180
MotherboardAsrock B650M Pro RS $135
Memory32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 $90
StorageSamsung 990 Evo 1TB $70
GraphicsIntegrated / Radeon RX 6600 $0 / $190
PSUThermaltake Smart 500W $40
CaseFractal Design Pop Mini Air $60
Monitor, Keyboard & Mouse (see notes)

Core System Total
$575


ComponentProduct Price
ProcessorAMD Ryzen 5 7600 $180
CPU CoolerBe Quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black $45
MotherboardAsrock B650 PG Lighting $150
Memory32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 $90
StorageSK Hynix P41 Platinum 2TB $140
GraphicsAMD Radeon RX 6750 XT $300
PSUCorsair CX650M $70
CaseFractal Design North $110
Monitor, Keyboard & Mouse (see notes)

Core System Total
$1,085

The PS5 Pro is 45% faster than the PS5 with Ray Tracing. When taking raster alone, it should be way higher.

Not to mention if you take the 6700XT + 45%, you get into the 4070 SUPER territory, which is a 600$ dGPU alone without anything else.

 

[redgarl]

This is the way.

Ah yeah....

4070 Super - 600$
Rest of PC - 800$
Total - 1400$

So much cheaper than a PS5 Pro...

 

[rmcrys]

The thing is that for 880-900€ for a fixed hardware PS5Pro is a much worse buy than if people use the same for a PC:
- the PS5Pro is using a Zen 2 CPU and a RDNA 3.0/3.5 GPU (PS5 Zen 2/RDNA2) which is easily achievable by buying an old Zen 3 CPU and a RDNA 3 GPU (7600 XT up to 7700 XT). Besides, it only has 16 GB of ram
- the PS5Pro is highly integrated, with Sony buying a huge quantity of components making the final BoM (bill of materials) much lower than a DIY project
- but DIY is much more effective: you can buy not only second hand products making an equivalent product much cheaper, but also spend around 1000/1100€ and make a much better product; also this DIY computer can be used for many years with old and new games but also for all kind of uses: work, rendering, multimedia editing etc.

I already left this “desktop console” market after the PS3, when I noticed that I could buy one game once and play on many PCs and that I could spend once but use that hardware for many things. ATM I use a Lenovo Go with a RTX3060Ti as a eGPU and have a good portable console and a good desktop gaming PC.

 

[MasterAce]

More 30fps games with one or two adittional RT options turned on, that’s all. They’d have to mandate 60fps somehow.

 

[poshflamingos]

Matter of fact is the PS5 Pro is sharing similar performance to a 4070 SUPER for about the same price.

Where did you get this ridiculous idea from?

The PS5 Pro GPU is 45% faster than the PS5 one, which puts it just behind the RX 7700 XT. Which is also corroborated from the 33.5 TFLOPS figure from the PS5 Pro, compared to 35.2 TFLOPS for the RX 7700 XT. Being slightly slower than a 7700 XT means the PS5 Pro is slightly faster than a RTX 4060 Ti. It's nowhere near a 4070 Super, which is a whole 25%~30% faster than the 7700 XT.

Console users and making up completely nonsense facts about tech, name a better duo.

 

[pencea]

As a huge PlayStation fan and someone who's owned every one of their consoles since the PSone era, the pricing is a huge disappointment. There's no way I'm paying over 1.2k in Australian dollars for it.

 

[Shaitan]

Without Blu-ray and twice the price of a PS5 discounted?
Yeah, no, thanks.
If it included two controller-ul and optical unit, I wouldn't hesitated.
For this money? Never.

 

[gdavid65]

As a huge PlayStation fan and someone who's owned every one of their consoles since the PSone era, the pricing is a huge disappointment. There's no way I'm paying over 1.2k in Australian dollars for it.

Keep your current PS5 then, and be happy..

How much does a PC video card cost that can play in 4k at 60fps in all titles like the PS5 Pro will be able to do? Close to $1200 on the card alone. I spent that much the other week. I didn't get a 2tb nvme with it either

You could build a budget gaming PC for $1200, but it will be a 1440p system and the latest games won't be targeting that system with max details.

PC has a million titles though which the PS5 does not.

Depends what you're after I reckon.

 

[Mihai S]

Yeah, 700 is alot of a console. Remember the 700 bucks PS3? People made fun of Sony back then too lol. Amazing how everyone is mad at Sony, but nobody is mad at $1600(atm 2100) RTX 4090, or 1300 4080... Or EVen 800 bucks 4070 (euro prices baby!) If we had the same vocal people on our side, im sure Nvidia wouldn't pull these insane prices.

People were maligned by the steep 4090, 4080, 7900 XTX, and 7900 XT prices. But, in the GPU market, there were many, many more options. If you are on the PS platform, you're kind of stuck because that's where all your games are, so the only viable options are the PS5 Pro, PS5, and maybe PS4 Pro.

I do agree, however, that many of those complaining about the price will still buy it, sadly.

 

[kira setsu]

Gaming is probably the only "hobby" where people want cutting edge stuff then lose their minds when the prices get shown.

 

[Mihai S]

Gaming is probably the only "hobby" where people want cutting edge stuff then lose their minds when the prices get shown.

The "outrage" is due to pricing inconsistencies (I.e., inflation) between product generations. People are anchored to historical market prices, so when a companies pull an Apple on everyone and jack up the price 40% versus previous gen, people tend to lose their minds. Not to mention that there is no digital ownership transferability between console platforms, so whatever the manufacturer decides to charge for an upgrade is what you'll pay.

And let's not fool ourselves here to claim that the PS and Xbox consoles are cutting edge. They are not. They are the result of cost accounting seeking to maximize the output while minimizing its inputs. Nothing wrong with that from a business standpoint, but certainly not cutting edge.

 

[Mihai S]

Without Blu-ray and twice the price of a PS5 discounted?
Yeah, no, thanks.
If it included two controller-ul and optical unit, I wouldn't hesitated.
For this money? Never.

At $700, they don't even include the vertical stand used in the promo pictures.

 

[Mihai S]

Ah yeah....

4070 Super - 600$
Rest of PC - 800$
Total - 1400$

So much cheaper than a PS5 Pro...

That's heavily inflated. To match a PS5 Pro, you'll likely do fine with a 6800 non-XT or a 7700 XT GPU plus a pretty cheap CPU. You can build a matching PC, performance wise, with $800. The total will still be greater than the PS5 Pro, but when the PS6 comes out at $700-800, it will cost you much less to upgrade enough to match its performance.

In the long run, you're better off financially with a PC, IMO. Modular upgradeability, greater versatility (I.e., not just for gaming and entertainment), greater competition in the digital space (Steam, Epic, GOG, Ubisoft, Battle.net, Xbox, Amazon, etc.).

 

[techstrike]

And ugly, and expensive!

Sony, you have no chance.


Gamers will come back to PC builds for two main reasons:

1. GPU's become cheaper and available nowadays.
2. And all best games are available for PC (no valuable exclusives for PS5 anymore).

 

[techstrike]

Yeah, 700 is alot of a console. Remember the 700 bucks PS3? People made fun of Sony back then too lol. Amazing how everyone is mad at Sony, but nobody is mad at $1600(atm 2100) RTX 4090, or 1300 4080... Or EVen 800 bucks 4070 (euro prices baby!) If we had the same vocal people on our side, im sure Nvidia wouldn't pull these insane prices.

true, true, true, but GPU's from our lovely nvidia has their price that high as she (like a biatch) want us to go to that d@mn cloud... SaaS everywhere ..

stay on the PC builds, we the real gamers.

 

[Dimitrios]

Why do I have this bad feeling cartels in America/illegals will buy these and sell them for more?

 

[poshflamingos]

How much does a PC video card cost that can play in 4k at 60fps in all titles like the PS5 Pro will be able to do? Close to $1200 on the card alone.

Seriously, where are you console people getting these absurdly ridiculous ideas from?

The PC card that matches the capabilities of the PS5 Pro (RDNA 3, 60 compute units, 2.18 GHz) is the RX 7700 XT (RDNA 3, 54 compute units, 2.54 GHz), and it costs $380 right now. And the equivalent GPU will get even cheaper in a few months once AMD launches their desktop RDNA 4 cards.

Also, if you expect the PS5 Pro to play "all games at 4K 60 FPS", you will be sorely disappointed. Its GPU is only 45% faster than the base PS5 one as per Sony's announcement, and the PS5 already struggles to run modern games even at 1080p 60 FPS, with some extreme cases like Jedi Survivor and Final Fantasy 16 dropping all the way down to 720p in performance mode. A 45% bump over that means the PS5 Pro will do 60 FPS only at around 1300p (a 45% increase in pixel count over 1080p) at most. A far cry from 4K (which is 2160p).

 

[poshflamingos]

That's heavily inflated. To match a PS5 Pro, you'll likely do fine with a 6800 non-XT or a 7700 XT GPU plus a pretty cheap CPU. You can build a matching PC, performance wise, with $800. The total will still be greater than the PS5 Pro, but when the PS6 comes out at $700-800, it will cost you much less to upgrade enough to match its performance.

Don't forget that every PC comes with free, unlimited access to online features like multiplayer, cloud saves, voice chat, weekly game giveaways, and access to online store discounts. On a console, that privilege costs an additional $80/year. Assuming the PS6 comes in late 2028 (4 years from now), you need to add $320 to the cost of the PS5 Pro just to have the same features all PCs get for free. Meaning that, if you don't want to have a lesser experience without access to online features, the PS5 Pro actually costs $1020 for the digital version and $1100 for the disc version over the rest of this generation.

 

[Mihai S]

Keep your current PS5 then, and be happy..

How much does a PC video card cost that can play in 4k at 60fps in all titles like the PS5 Pro will be able to do? Close to $1200 on the card alone. I spent that much the other week. I didn't get a 2tb nvme with it either

You could build a budget gaming PC for $1200, but it will be a 1440p system and the latest games won't be targeting that system with max details.

You can build a PC matching the PS5 Pro's performance with ~$800. You can achieve the same as or better than the PS5 Pro with a $350–400 GPU (e.g., RX 6800 non-XT, RX 7700 XT). (It's already been discussed above how building your own PC (for those willing and able) would be a sounder financial decision even if the initial cost were slightly higher.)

The PS5 Pro will most likely use upscaling, which means it won't be rendering raw 4K but a lower resolution upscaled to look like 4K. Additionally, video quality/fidelity will be customized by developers to ensure the hardware can deliver 30–60 FPS at upscaled 4K. In other words, you won't be playing at 4K ultra-high settings as you would on a $700+ GPU. You will essentially get the video performance of a $350–400 GPU.

 

[GFitzpatrick47]

The price is a problem (understatement) not least because there no disc drive, not even the vertical stand included. For what is supposed to be the ultimate model you're already onto a loser, missing significant features.

Presumably they are marketing this heavily at existing PS5 owners, ones who have spare cash and therefore probably bought the disc version of PS5 in the first place. You're looking at $780 total with the separate drive to feature match your older PS5 model.

There are crazy numbers for a game console not seen since stuff like the 3DO, the Saturn and of course notoriously: PS3.

One might wonder if Sony are sliding towards that kind of arrogance again if they believe they can make this sell at this price. If there's a time to beef up your gaming PC or invest in a new one then it's now.

Honestly, I can see three reasons why they're going for this price, and it makes sense from a pure business perspective.

1. This is appealing to the gamer who isn't keen on a PC build, but is expecting their console purchase to last 5+ years and may still be on a PS5/Xbox One or even a Series S.
2. This is appealing to the PS5 gamer who is willing to sell/trade-in their PS5 for around $300-$350, thus making the PS5 Pro a $400 purchase.
3. This is appealing to people who don't want a repeat of CP2077 on PS4/Xbox One, and want the best platform possible for GTA6 next year, especially since it won't be released on PC until 2026 at the earliest.

PC Gamers are going to balk, Xbox gamers are going to balk, and people who simply don't have the money are going to balk, but Sony isn't going after those people anyways. This is a higher-margin product for a subset of the total market (I'd estimate 10-15%) and unlike the PS4 Pro and One X, isn't necessarily designed to supplant the PS5 Slim as the volume seller.

Frankly, I think #2 is rather significant. It's easier than ever to get a decent price for your current system, and PS5 Slims have been holding their value rather strongly. For example, I purchased one earlier this year to play GT7 (I'm a PC gamer but a major yet lapsed fan of the Gran Turismo series) at MSRP. Did everything I wanted to do in GT7, and sold it on eBay for roughly 75% of what I originally paid. In essence, I rented the PS5 for roughly $30 a month for the 2.5 months I had it. For some people who have had their PS5 for years, being able to get 50-75 cents on the dollar and make the PS5 Pro purchase a $400 buy is a hell of a deal, especially since (going back to point #1) many of those people aren't going to do a PC build anytime soon.

Is it for me? Sure, if only because I have no reason to get an Xbox (I have a PC build), but I also won't wait 1+ years for a GTA6 PC release. Also, $700 isn't a budget stretch, but for others it is. However, those people still have the perfectly capable PS5 Slim to purchase.