Sony stops making 8K TVs, but ultra high-def cameras remain key to future

Honestly, I don't think most people will notice the difference between 4k and 8k. When the theater I worked at upgraded from 2k to 4k projectors we got exactly zero comments from customers. Nobody noticed on those huge theater screens.
They would be better served working harder on color and contrast.
 
Let's get everything native to 4K and leave the land of HD, FHD and interlaced content before we start talking about 8K which like few people said, is a decade or two away to be standardised.
 
Ironically, Sony is exiting the 8K TV market while continuing to produce 8K native cameras designed to capture video feeds at a 7680x4320 resolution.
Nothing ironic about this at all. Its far easier to scale native high resolution down to lower resolution vs. other way around.
 
People are forgetting about another big issue with 8k, the HDMI foundation doesn't an available 8k120 standard and they wouldn't allow displayports that can theoretically handle it to be placed on a TV with a port that supports 4k120 or higher. There are plenty of games I play that would benefit from 8k120 on a large format display, but they simply don't exist yet.

I bought a 65" 4k120 TV the moment they became available and I've been waiting for my "dream display" which is a and ~85-90" 8k120 display.

Playing civilization, Warhammer, or being in massive space battles in EvE on a large display does incredible things. But I have a unique use case as my PC is also my home theater.

The low DPI of a 4k65" TV makes using it in desktop a bit of a pain and I've been waiting for 8k for a very long time. The thing is, I'm not paying $10,000 for 60hz.

As far as other games go, I have a a rolling keyboard stand that I position about 4-5 feet away from my desk when playing FPS games and I have the couch 10 feet away for watching movies and content consumption.

And before anyone asks, I'm divorced without kids
 
And to think that I still have an old 1080p TV (that I barely watch) and my two monitors that I sit about a foot from are 1440p and they still look good to me.

Yeah, I don't care.
 
Nope. The human eye is incapable of noticing any detail over 4K. It is an utterly pointless pursuit.

We’ve known this, TV makers knew this, but they went along anyway, in hopes of some easy bucks. Thankfully it didn’t amount to anything. It can go down the drain now.
This is really false statement. If you get a 4k screen but 20 meters diagonal wont you see the pixels staring next to it?
What you should be more interested in measuring of resolution is ppd, pixel per degree. And that will correctly define limitations of human eye in relation to a resolution in that degree.
 
People are forgetting about another big issue with 8k, the HDMI foundation doesn't an available 8k120 standard and they wouldn't allow displayports that can theoretically handle it to be placed on a TV with a port that supports 4k120 or higher. There are plenty of games I play that would benefit from 8k120 on a large format display, but they simply don't exist yet.

I bought a 65" 4k120 TV the moment they became available and I've been waiting for my "dream display" which is a and ~85-90" 8k120 display.

Playing civilization, Warhammer, or being in massive space battles in EvE on a large display does incredible things. But I have a unique use case as my PC is also my home theater.

The low DPI of a 4k65" TV makes using it in desktop a bit of a pain and I've been waiting for 8k for a very long time. The thing is, I'm not paying $10,000 for 60hz.

As far as other games go, I have a a rolling keyboard stand that I position about 4-5 feet away from my desk when playing FPS games and I have the couch 10 feet away for watching movies and content consumption.

And before anyone asks, I'm divorced without kids
Speaking of warhammer: Space marine 2, according to TPU, averages 149 FPS at 1080p, and only 81 FPS at 4k, on a 4090. at 8k I'd be surprised if it could maintain 40. Even worse, step down 1 tier tot he 4080, and you go from 147 FPS all the way to 60, and at 8k I doubt it could maintain a constant 25. Those are $1000 GPUs in theory.

You might be a decade at least away from GPUs that could even push 8k120, setting aside that node improvements have slowed to a crawl.
There's no media to begin with to really take advantage of 8K.

Do you see Netflix, Youtube or any other popular streaming app capable of handling up to 8K?

Likely there's barely any difference to be seen unless you look at details compared to 4K and 8K.
That's because you are using streaming services. Youtube and Netflix's 4k streams have worse bitrates then a 1080p blu ray. They are true smear-o-vision.

If I compare a 4k stream vs a 1080p blu ray, I can tell the difference almost immediately. and yeah, a 4k blu ray looks amazing on my 85" TV. I'm sure that 8k woudl be better, but given how terribly 4k blu ray was handled, and the move away from physical media, true 8k is 50 years away at least.
8K has one use, 4K 3D. 4K to each eye.
That's not 8k, that's 2x4k. 8k is 4x the pixel count of 4k.

2x4k is feasible, depending on the software used, on GPUs like the 4090.
I bet 8k cheap TVs are the easier step. Proper 8k content however wont be there anytime soon. I cannot imagine a reason why even richest streaming companies would offer 8k content.
Same goes for sport pros. It would be insanely expensive to update to 8 to stream.
And many more reason such as GPUs that are too expensive, people living in rural areas on mobile internet.
Streaming will never truly catch up. Displayport 2 peaks at 80Gbps bandwidth for a reason, even with gigabit internet you cannot stream native 1080p, let alone 4k or 8k. Any 8k content you can stream today is so bit crushed that you may as well go back to arial TV on a tube box.
 
Speaking of warhammer: Space marine 2, according to TPU, averages 149 FPS at 1080p, and only 81 FPS at 4k, on a 4090. at 8k I'd be surprised if it could maintain 40. Even worse, step down 1 tier tot he 4080, and you go from 147 FPS all the way to 60, and at 8k I doubt it could maintain a constant 25. Those are $1000 GPUs in theory.

You might be a decade at least away from GPUs that could even push 8k120, setting aside that node improvements have slowed to a crawl.
I was talking about the RTS amd turn based strategy games. with 40k and the non-40k games
 
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8K TVs are like the flying cars of home entertainment — cool in theory, but no one’s quite ready to redesign their whole living room (or bandwidth) for it.
 
If I got one today, the only way I would use it would be for watching videos recording in 8k on my phone.
But then, 4k looks just as good.
Our technology needs adjustment.
We have 4k TVs, but GPUs that cost too much to play in 4k.
Streaming services that stream sports stream in 1080p.
So, 8k is meaningless to a lot of people

I would argue 8k is meaningless to most people unless they're video professionals doing the editing, etc...or just have money to burn. A high end 4k OLED screen from "couch distance" on a 70"+ screen still looks damn good and then handful of times I've seen them side-by-side with a 8k you have to be really close to be able to see the "pixels" / difference before your brain just interpolates it for you. 720p / 1080p -> 4k was / is a big difference, but I, personally, don't see the same sort of "gain" going to 8k.
 
There's no media to begin with to really take advantage of 8K.

Do you see Netflix, Youtube or any other popular streaming app capable of handling up to 8K?

Likely there's barely any difference to be seen unless you look at details compared to 4K and 8K.

Their 4k streams are compressed to **** though and their audio tracks usually suck ***. They're only "technically" 4k. Personally, Apple TV+ has the best 4k streams of the services I've used and, in my unscientific opinion, the audio and video look much closer to what I would get from a UHD BluRay. It's still not the same, but it is closer.

It only really matters for stuff where the production values are high end enough to match that though. For watching your latest episode of FBI or some stuff on Discovery+ the compression doesn't really matter to much.
 
8K literally means nothing on it's own. The distance to the screen determines whether you can tell the difference as well as how big the screen. Bigger screen means you can notice from further away. Regardless, there's no 8k media readily available so not only would you most likely not be able to tell the difference there's nothing to play it on. Go buy an OLED TV or a nice Mini-Led that will give you way better HDR which is 10 times more important than resolution past 4K.
 
Nope. The human eye is incapable of noticing any detail over 4K. It is an utterly pointless pursuit.

We’ve known this, TV makers knew this, but they went along anyway, in hopes of some easy bucks. Thankfully it didn’t amount to anything. It can go down the drain now.

Totally false. What defines everything is resolution / viewing distance. If you have a big TV near you, you notice the pixels; if you have that TV far from you, you won't.

That same concept means, 4K may be enough on a 65" TV at 3m, but insufficient on a 83" TV at the same distance. There are very few people with TVs larger than 65" at home in Europe, as the viewing distance is rather small. My living room is big and I would get a 77" preferably 8K just because menus would be rendered at that resolution and content upscale is usually very good these days.

8K recording is used today because of editing: is the goal is 4K and you record at 4K, if you stabilize/ zoom in a little, you already lost image quality; at 8K that doesn't happen and the final 4K stream will be detail rich.
 
8K literally means nothing on it's own. The distance to the screen determines whether you can tell the difference as well as how big the screen. Bigger screen means you can notice from further away. Regardless, there's no 8k media readily available so not only would you most likely not be able to tell the difference there's nothing to play it on. Go buy an OLED TV or a nice Mini-Led that will give you way better HDR which is 10 times more important than resolution past 4K.

True. Although for YouTubes example, delivering higher resolution does equal to better quality due to do bandwidth distribution.
 
Human eyes are able able to appreciate unlimited Ks. Don't waste money sitting on the couch and watching the screen. Just open your door or windows. You will be able to appreciate the beauty of the world with your own eyes. ( Or with your eyeglasses.).

People in Switzerland or New Zealand don't need f-king 8K screens. Just open the window or door to experience unlimited Ks.

Even those living in not so spectalurar natural views, just looking outside gives you the best views you can ever lay your eyes upon.
 
Human eyes are able able to appreciate unlimited Ks. Don't waste money sitting on the couch and watching the screen. Just open your door or windows. You will be able to appreciate the beauty of the world with your own eyes. ( Or with your eyeglasses.).

People in Switzerland or New Zealand don't need f-king 8K screens. Just open the window or door to experience unlimited Ks.

Even those living in not so spectalurar natural views, just looking outside gives you the best views you can ever lay your eyes upon.
Yeah… no thanks… I can’t see 22 NFL football players from my window!!

Nor can I see 12 NHL players skating on the ice… not to mention the cast of Wheel of Time doesn’t perform outside my house either!
 
Having an 8K resolution TV is mostly for bragging rights, and will not bring anything meaningful from a visual experience perspective. This sort of resolution is more suited for a huge display, but less meaningful as a TV which are commonly in the size of 55 to 85 inches. 4K and from the distance you are expected to view comfortably means one won’t be able to notice the difference moving from 4 to 8K.
 
No more 8K TV's?
You want us to go back to the stone age, SONY?

Wait why would anyone even WANT a TV? I ditched mine 20+ years back.
Oh ok they can often be used as PC monitors. :)
 
Where did you get this???? There is NO sampling frequency in an analog recording.
Science fact. Yes, there is. A recording on a vinyl record can only reproduce sounds between 5hz and 20khz. That is it's effective sampling rate as that is the range of sound vinyl can reproduce. The human ear can hear sound in much higher frequency's but vinyl records can't reproduce the full range of human hearing. This is why a lot of people like the sound of vinyl more. To them it "seems" like a "warmer" sound when it is just a limited reproduction of the sound profile of the original recording minus all the higher frequency audio.
 
A human can't distinguish between 1080p and 4k UNLESS they are close enough and the screen is large enough... for the average person, assuming your viewing distance is 4-6 feet, you'd need a 60" or larger screen.
This is a garbage comment. The human eye can absolutely tell the difference between the two within the ranges you said. You really expect people to accept that?
 
This is a garbage comment. The human eye can absolutely tell the difference between the two within the ranges you said. You really expect people to accept that?
The average human eye can’t - did you even check out my links? Feel free to provide some evidence to the contrary…
Science fact. Yes, there is. A recording on a vinyl record can only reproduce sounds between 5hz and 20khz. That is its effective sampling rate as that is the range of sound vinyl can reproduce. The human ear can hear sound in much higher frequency's but vinyl records can't reproduce the full range of human hearing. This is why a lot of people like the sound of vinyl more. To them it "seems" like a "warmer" sound when it is just a limited reproduction of the sound profile of the original recording minus all the higher frequency audio.
you seem to be arguing AGAINST analogue LPs….
 
The average human eye can’t - did you even check out my links? Feel free to provide some evidence to the contrary…
Common knowledge and common sense are not something anyone has to prove up. Seeing the difference between them is something only someone with very poor eyesight can't do.
you seem to be arguing AGAINST analogue LPs….
Not at all. I like the sound they produce. But science fact is science fact. LPs do not have the same audio frequency range as CDs and other digital media. That is known science and technological fact. It is not refutable.
 
Science fact. Yes, there is. A recording on a vinyl record can only reproduce sounds between 5hz and 20khz.
You're mistakenly confusing "sampling rate" with "frequency response". An analog waveform is continuous. Whereas a digital "sample" has a "stairstep" profile.

The 44 Khz standard sampling rate of CDs, does tend to limit its upper frequency range to 20 Khz. (Which BTW, You're unlikely to be able to hear anyway). Studio digital recording most often is done @192 Khz, which brings available high frequency response into the 80+ Khz range, which neither of you definitely cannot hear. In fact dogs and wolves can't hear 80 Khz either. Bats can, and perhaps dolphins as well. (That's a guesstimate on dolphins via their "sonar" echo location abilities).


Furthermore, "5 Hz" is not present on an LP. A low frequency roll off filter is employed to prevent subsonic information being introduced into the amplifier and speaker system. Anything below C0 (16.35160 Hz) is likely attenuated. Any frequency below that, can only be felt, not heard. One would say that notes below C0 are a "visceral experience".

 
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