Steve Jobs shares his 'thoughts on Flash'

By Jos ยท 13 replies
Apr 29, 2010
  1. Since the iPhone came out, there has been an ongoing debate about Apple's refusal to allow Flash content to run on its platform. But things escalated to a whole new level recently when the Cupertino-based company decided to ban developers from using cross-platform compilers, like the one Adobe just so happened to have announced as a key feature in Creative Suite 5, and instead required apps to be written natively for the iPhone OS.

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  2. LOL! I think Jobs is living in a fantasy world.
  3. Matthew

    Matthew TechSpot Staff Posts: 5,332   +101

  4. JudaZ

    JudaZ TS Enthusiast Posts: 284

    Steve Jobs is a total control freak. Why anyone would want to buy a locked down product from apple is beyond me.
  5. Im not a mac fan purley from a price vs performance perspective but I think jobbie needs to realise that people buy hardware (ie the mac) to run software.

    They certainly don't buy the hardware first and then think well, what software can I buy to run on this. If I could figure out how to run Creative suite and Flash on a ball point pen apple would certainly be in trouble.

    Stopping developers creating software and applications is a great way to bring down your own product.

    Apple should be PRIVILEGED that developers want to create software for their hardware, and allow user choice (case in point Nintendo 64, small example I know, but the main reason that platform suffered was because Nintendo were overy strict on who could and could not write for their hardware and the huge lists of constraints put on a release)
  6. mavis311

    mavis311 TS Rookie

    I agree with the comments prior to this one and I wanted to add: about Jobs' open web comment -- If Apple had developed HTTP or TELNET or any other web standard, Apple would have a completely different stance on that issue (imagine what ISPs would have to charge just for web access). I can't understand what corporations think they will gain by trying to prevent their customers/users from being able to do what they would like with the device they paid so much for, especially in the case of Apple. BTW, the first computer my family ever had was a Mac LC, and unless something changes radically at Apple, it will be my last Apple, ever.
  7. natefalk

    natefalk TS Rookie Posts: 78

    Jobs is just trying to justify his/Apple's position so more people will get an iPad before the competitors are released.

    His whole argument about hardware decoding would have been valid until Adobe released a hardware-accelerated flash update (see Flash 10.1 "Gala"). Even more amusing is Adobe's response. Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen says it all: "Jobs' open letter was merely a "smokescreen"; Apple's restrictions are stifling development and have "nothing to do with technology"."

    I think it is all about Apple not wanting cross-platform software to run on its machines.
  8. windmill007

    windmill007 TS Rookie Posts: 308

    This is why I hate Apple! Can people not see his company is like communism. By having no freedoms and making everything go through his company. I hope all these other devices come out with flash and drive Apple to the ground :)
  9. Axiarus

    Axiarus TS Maniac Posts: 253   +126

    So everyone here thinks that companies should be restricted to the capabilities of flash and other software companies? "Oh no, we cant do that, Adobe hasn't released their update for Flash yet" If there is a much more flexible platform out there, HTML5, why not use it? Innovation being restricted by software is bad for any company, Apple realizes this and has taken pretty good steps. Though I hate the fact that their products are locked down, I have to give them props for this.
  11. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,742   +421

    Two of their competitors are out for the foreseeable future. Microsoft dropped Courier, and HP is totally redoing their Slate.

    Apple lets cross platform software run on their computers, they don't let flash run on their iPhone, iPod, and iPad.

    Edit: Microsoft weighs in
  12. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Guru Posts: 843   +38

    I think there could be a compromise here, as both companies are right.

    Apple: wants to move on with HTML5 and not stay in the past

    Adobe: wants everyone to be able to develop applications regardless of OS

    I say, why not have Apple allow flash on their products, if Adobe agrees to do more research into HTML5? I mean, if Google can multitask (email, voice, Chrome, Chrome OS, Buzz, Wave, broadband, docs, bla bla bla) then surely Adobe can do more work into HTML5 while continuing to support what we have now.
    Both companies win, here. Adobe gets on Apple products, Apple gets paired with a company doing research into HTML5.

    How did I come up with this great idea? Oh...I don't know...maybe it's because I used a little common sense?
  13. Flannelwarrior

    Flannelwarrior TS Rookie Posts: 131

    The past? I have an Android phone, which does not support flash, and I am CONSTANTLY irritated by having to come up with clever workarounds when I can't view flash based content. Maybe Jobs is right, and HTML5 is the way of the future - but Flash is the way of the present, not just the past.
  14. tengeta

    tengeta TS Enthusiast Posts: 612

    Its a hard call, but I'm with Apple on this one (and that isn't common). Flash has had tons of issues and holes that Adobe simply refuses to deal with, and someone needs to show them that they can't just force their way onto everyone's devices because its "the thing". I don't get why people think Apple is the only side forcing here, Adobe is just as if not more corrupt and forceful of their standards.
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